Linux-Misc Digest #152, Volume #25 Sun, 16 Jul 00 17:13:01 EDT
Contents:
*-Sending Mail Local-* (westar)
Re: Stopping apache, (Red Hat) (Zen Sorcerer)
X11 Mouse Pointer Problem (JammerJJ)
Re: COMMERCIAL: 5-star Japanese study software package for only USD59.00! (Steve
Meyer)
Re: mgetty and dial in ("John G. Sandell")
Re: ACCESS WINDOWS FILES (Graham Vincent)
Re: E-mail program (Grant Edwards)
Re: Why isn't [X]Emacs a word processor? (Grant Edwards)
Re: 98 and Linux (Paul E. Larson)
Re: numerical computations under Linux (Grant Edwards)
Re: off topic? linux based content management system (Dances With Crows)
Help with cdrecord ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Starting X @ boot? (Ben)
Installed INN 2.3 beta (July 15, 2000 build), now what? ("Fan")
Re: 98 and Linux (Todd Knarr)
Re: Help with cdrecord (Prasanth A. Kumar)
Re: Linux boot diskette (Robert Heller)
Re: numerical computations under Linux (David Steuber)
Pentium Kernel compile problems with PGCC 2.95.3 (Brian Foddy)
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From: westar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: *-Sending Mail Local-*
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:27:06 +0000
Hi, I have the following question:-
When I send I message from 'root' to 'user' I doesn't send it immedietly
-- I always have to reboot to see the message in my mailbox (by typing
mail)
- why does this happen and is there a way to get around it??
thanks
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From: Zen Sorcerer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Stopping apache, (Red Hat)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 17:30:05 GMT
Type this to see what processes are running:
ps aux
at the command line...it'll list the processes that are still running. If
httpd is still listed then it's still running, if not then it stopped.
Zen
alan wrote:
>
> Thanks,
> by 'running' "/etc/rc.d/init.d/httpd", do you just mean typing that
> and pressing enter. For me that stirs the hard drive into action (I can
> hear it working), but there is no visible output.
>
> Alan
>
>
>
> Kevin Vandersloot wrote:
> >
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > alan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > So how does one stop apache? I refer to the
> > > default setup you get under
> > > Red Hat 6? I realise there are the "kill -TERM
> > > 'cat httpd.pid'" and
> > > "apachetl stop" commands, but I'm not exactly
> > > sure if/how these apply.
> > > (Note again, I'm referring to the setup under
> > > Red Hat, not the
> > > "usr/local/apache" style setup you get from an
> > > apache download).
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Alan.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Posted via CNET Help.com http://www.help.com/
> >
> > The init scripts are in
> > /etc/rc.d/init/
> > and the apache one is httpd. So just run
> > /etc/rc.d/init/httpd and it will give you a list
> > of options to stop start or restart apache.
> >
>
>
> --
> Posted via CNET Help.com
> http://www.help.com/
--
Posted via CNET Help.com
http://www.help.com/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JammerJJ)
Subject: X11 Mouse Pointer Problem
Date: 16 Jul 2000 17:46:22 GMT
Help...
I installed XFree86 4.01 on both Linux and BSD but each time, the mouse pointer
comes up as a huge square.
It works, but can someone please tell me how to get back my regular mouse
pointers.
Please e-mail response as well.. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks
RJ
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Meyer)
Subject: Re: COMMERCIAL: 5-star Japanese study software package for only USD59.00!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 16 Jul 2000 17:58:37 GMT
I am not sure if follow ups to posts here are possible, but I purchased
a copy of WordMage and although the application is fine, they forget
to mention that the program is a MacIntosh program that runs under
a MacOS emulator which they provide on Linux. Therefore none of the good
linux tools such as better X windows based GUIs are available and one needs to
learn all the Macintosh mouse and key combinations (yuk). I hope
vendor will "really" port to Linux.
/Steve
On Sun, 16 Jul 2000 15:37:34 GMT, Michael Wildoer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>biggest and most well-respected software download sites on the Internet.
>
>Japanese WordMage includes nine highly integrated functions:
>
>* a Japanese wordprocessor
>* a multilingual HTML web page editor / viewer
>* various study systems (with authoring):
> - interactive storybooks
> - auto-revision flashcards
> - 'Kanji Safari' multiplayer game
> - reading, aural and visual comprehension
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>http://hotfiles.zdnet.com/cgi-bin/texis/swlib/hotfiles/info.html?fcode=00158A
>
>The 5-cows Tucows review can be found by doing a search at:
>http://www.tucows.com/
>
>Notes:
>* Japanese WordMage is also available on multi-platform CDROM.
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>
>
>Michael Wildoer
>Customer Support Services
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From: "John G. Sandell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: mgetty and dial in
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 17:56:05 GMT
Bill Unruh wrote:
>
> In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "John G. Sandell"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> ]What does one have to do to get mgetty to answer when a phone rings?
>
> ]I have mgetty enabled in /etc/inittab, ps shows mgetty running on the
> ]proper port (dev/modem, which is linked to /dev/ttyS1), minicom can dial
>
> Don't do this. All of your systems MUST use the same port. You cannot
> have some use /dev/modem, and others ttyS1. Get rid of /dev/modem and
> use ttyS1 for EVERYTHING.
>
>
OK, I should clarify. On a Compaq laptop, the modem is ttyS1. On the
PC, it's ttyS0. On both, the ppp-on script uses dev/modem, which is a
link to the ttySn. PPP works on both. The PC has a Cyclades 4-port
seral board that works with Wyse 150 terminals using mgetty.
>From the PC I can use minicom to dial the laptop; the laptop answers and
I can log in. This is with a Linksys PC modem/Ethernet PC card.
>From the laptop I can dial the PC and the PC doesn't answer.
All of this has nothing to do with using ppp - I haven't even though
about trying ppp with mgetty running. Of course mgetty is started in
inittab. I'm using the same inittab on both computers. Same
/etc/mgetty+sendfax files.
The US Robotics 56K modem on the PC doesn't answer.
The mgetty log file shows mgetty is talking to the modem:
07/16 13:37:49 yS0 mgetty: experimental test release 1.1.21-Jul24
07/16 13:37:49 yS0 check for lockfiles
07/16 13:37:49 yS0 locking the line
07/16 13:37:49 yS0 lowering DTR to reset Modem
07/16 13:37:50 yS0 send: \dATQ0V1H0[0d]
07/16 13:37:50 yS0 waiting for ``OK'' ** found **
07/16 13:37:51 yS0 send: ATS0=0Q0&D3&C1[0d]
07/16 13:37:51 yS0 waiting for ``OK'' ** found **
07/16 13:37:51 yS0 mdm_send: 'ATI'
07/16 13:37:51 yS0 USR Courier/Sportster 56k detected
07/16 13:37:51 yS0 mdm_send: 'ATI3'
07/16 13:37:51 yS0 additional info: 'U.S. Robotics 56K FAX EXT V5.1.4'
07/16 13:37:51 yS0 mdm_send: 'AT+FCLASS=2.0' -> OK
07/16 13:37:51 yS0 mdm_send: 'AT+FAA=1;+FCR=1' -> OK
07/16 13:37:52 yS0 mdm_send: 'AT+FBO=1' -> OK
07/16 13:37:52 yS0 mdm_send: 'AT+FNR=1,1,1,0' -> OK
07/16 13:37:52 yS0 mdm_send: 'AT+FLI="49 115 xxxxxxxx"' -> OK
07/16 13:37:52 yS0 mdm_send: 'AT+FCC=1,5,0,2,0,0,0,0' -> OK
07/16 13:37:53 yS0 waiting...
Here's the the inittab line:
mo:23:respawn:/usr/sbin/mgetty -s 115200 /dev/ttyS0
So it's probably related to the commands sent to the modem....
John Sandell
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Graham Vincent)
Subject: Re: ACCESS WINDOWS FILES
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 04:40:06 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Hi!
>
>Im new with Linux so far i enjoy it.
>
>I know I cannot access Linux disk within Windfows but can I do the
>opposite, can I access my othe files within Linux?
>
>Thank in advance
>
Hello Daniel.
Other people have told you how to access windows files from Linux and
now I can tell you how to access your Linux files from Windows!
Surf to John Newbigin's site at:
http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/
and get explore2fs - looks like windows explorer for Linux partitions.
Have fun!
Graham
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: E-mail program
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:23:13 GMT
On Sat, 15 Jul 2000 11:41:39 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>> Pine rocks.
>>>
>>>s/rock/suck/
>>>
>>>Elm on the other hand...
>
>> Is a venerated but long-in-the-tooth ancestor of mutt.
>> ;)
>
>But still good, better than Pine, and still being maintained.
>:)
Elm seems to be undergoing a revival. For quite a while
development seemed stalled. There was an unofficial set of PGP
patches that I could never get to work, so I switched to mutt
which included PGP support.
Now I've never run across a reason to switch back.
--
Grant Edwards grante Yow! Is it FUN to be
at a MIDGET?
visi.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: Why isn't [X]Emacs a word processor?
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:40:31 GMT
>I am not really sure there is enough of a 'proper' niche audience for
>MS-Word, at for the things *I* consider it truly the right tool for the
>job, but then this is my opinion.
It looks to me like there are several different markets:
1) Most people need something dirt-simple to write memos.
MS-Word is really bad at this -- it's got too damn many
knobs to turn, and you've _got_ to turn them because the
default settings are so awful. You can't even created a
tolerable bulleted list in MS-Word using standard settings.
2) Some people need a technical writing package to write users
manuals, etc.
MS-Word really sucks at this -- the TOC stuff doesn't work
right. Auto-numbering anything is broken. Cross
references don't work. Large documents don't work. The
typesetting done by MS-Word is really bad. MS-Word doesn't
have the concept of nesting objects. You can have a quote
inside a list inside a paragraph inside a chapter inside a
book.
Each paragraph has exactly one (and only one "style").
3) Some people need a "DTP" package to layout broadsheets,
magazines, and other documents with no consistent layout
from one page to the next.
MS-Word sucks even worse at this.
4) Some people need something to write scientific or academic
papers (e.g. thesis, journal article, technical report).
MS-Word is truly bad for this. Most of the reasons from 2)
apply with the additional problem that it is not possible
to produce typeset mathematical equations in MS-Word.
(I've run into people who thought they could, and produced
documents with what they claimed were typeset equations --
they mistook "typsetting" as any process that produces
toner on paper.)
LaTeX truly excells at 2) and 4). It is quite usable for 1).
Using TeX for 3) is possible but painful and difficult.
Unfortunately, people insist on using MS-Word for all four.
--
Grant Edwards grante Yow! WHY are we missing
at KOJAK?
visi.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul E. Larson)
Subject: Re: 98 and Linux
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:39:25 GMT
In article <8kspnc$j5j$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Todd Knarr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>6. Boot up Linux, and use the mkdosfs command to format the additional
>Windows drives. Windows can use them once formatted, and unlike the
>Windows format program mkdosfs can directly create FAT32 partitions.
>
It sounds like you have a old version(pre-FAT32) of format and/or fdisk!
Fdisk and format have had the ability to create and format FAT32 partitions
since Win95B.
Paul
--
"Mr. Rusk you not wearing your tie." -- Frenzy 1972
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: numerical computations under Linux
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:42:46 GMT
On Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:04:24 +0000, Erik de Castro Lopo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>If you are using doubles prcesion floating point you should use
>-malign-double.
>
>I usually use:
>
>-O4 -march=pentium -malign-double -malign-loops=2 -malign-jumps=2 -malign-functions=2
I've always thought it rude to use gcc to malign so many useful
concepts.
--
Grant Edwards grante Yow! I'm rated PG-34!!
at
visi.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: off topic? linux based content management system
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 19:51:53 GMT
On Sun, 16 Jul 2000 16:26:16 +0100, lee stone
<<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>I am looking for a cost efficient content management system to serve
>dynamic pages on a linux system. Does anyone out there have any
>recommendations or nightmares?
If you described your problem fully, someone could probably give a better
answer. However, if you're trying to serve dynamic HTML on a Linux box, a
very good answer is "PHP". It's free, fairly similar to Perl in its
syntax, somewhat similar to ASP in how it integrates into HTML documents,
and pretty easy to integrate into Apache; check http://php.net/ for a lot
of information.
--
Matt G / Dances With Crows /\ "Man could not stare too long at the face
\----[this space for rent]-----/ \ of the Computer or her children and still
\There is no Darkness in Eternity \ remain as Man." --David Zindell "So did
But only Light too dim for us to see\ they become Gods, or Usenetters?" --/me
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Help with cdrecord
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 20:02:36 GMT
I've got cdrecord set up on a Linux box, but for the life of me I can't
figure out how to tell it to record! What is the correct command?
Anybody?
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ben)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Starting X @ boot?
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 20:25:19 GMT
I've been wondering about getting X to start at boot too - only thing
that worries is me is that when I first installed my system I couldn't
seem to login from a graphical login - just said 'user unknown'. I get
the same trying to do a 'login' from a terminal window as well,
although su works ok. It doesn't really bother me, but I'd be
interested to know why it's happening, if there's a quick answer. Suse
6.3, btw.
On Sat, 15 Jul 2000 17:32:53 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Amy) wrote:
>On Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:39:15 -0400, Sid Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>
>> My machine boots to a bash prompt in runlevel 5. It used to boot to
>>the RedHat login screen. (6.0 that is). As I sort have mentioned, I can
>>type 'startx' @ the bash prompt and X and Gnome start just as it did
>>from the login screen.
>>
>
>First of all, are you sure it's at runlevel 5? Runlevel 5 is the X11
>runlevel. It sounds like you are at runlevel 3. To check this, do
>this.:
>
>Edit your /etc/inittab file, pico is always a good choice.
>type: pico /etc/inittab
>
>Replace this line:
>
>
>id:3:initdefault:
>
>With this one:
>
>
>id:5:initdefault:
>
>Save your changes, and reboot the machine.
>
>Now, if that doesn't work, something else is going on. My main problem
>at first wasn't getting TO boot right into X, it was stopping it FROM
>doing that. I love my command line :-D BTW, Red Hat has a 6.0
>support section, it has alot of good information. If you go to
>support, there is a link to RH6.0 help files.
>
>
>Amy
>
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From: "Fan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: news.software.nntp
Subject: Installed INN 2.3 beta (July 15, 2000 build), now what?
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 12:29:47 -0800
Ok, I ./configure ; make ; make install'ed it (I also followed the
directions in INSTALL for initializing the database, etc). Now what? This
is a standalone NNTP service, no propogation to other servers. What's the
simplest way to create a group called "MyGroup" and have it be accessible
without any IP restrictions? (im not worried about moderation or anything
like that)
thanks to any responses =)
p.s. - It seems to work fine (lists groups) from the local Linux machine
with Netscape's newsreader. I want to use Outlook Express as the client on
my Windows 2000 machine to test it though (currently it says I have no
permission).
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From: Todd Knarr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 98 and Linux
Date: 16 Jul 2000 20:32:09 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc <xjnc5.14027$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Paul E. Larson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It sounds like you have a old version(pre-FAT32) of format and/or fdisk!
> Fdisk and format have had the ability to create and format FAT32 partitions
> since Win95B.
Nope, this is the format utility from Win98SE. I cannot find any command
switch, GUI checkbox or mention of anything in the documentation that
would enable FAT32.
--
I'm a science officer. It's my job to have a better idea.
-- Dax
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Subject: Re: Help with cdrecord
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Prasanth A. Kumar)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 20:35:19 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I've got cdrecord set up on a Linux box, but for the life of me I can't
> figure out how to tell it to record! What is the correct command?
> Anybody?
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
Use an application like 'Xcdroast' which wraps the command in an easy
to use interface.
--
Prasanth Kumar
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux boot diskette
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 20:57:47 GMT
"Micromans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
In a message on Sun, 16 Jul 2000 09:14:00 -0700, wrote :
"> If your Linux (RedHat 6.0) boot diskette gets trashed and you weren't smart
"> enough to make a second one, is there an easy way to make a new one without
"> reinstalling Linux?
If you mean the installer boot floppy, you can use MS-DOS (Win9x
rebooted sans GUI) to use the RAWRITE.EXE program to make one from the
boot.img file in the images subdir on the CD.
If you mean the boot floppy the installer made near the end of the
install, you can make one with the mkbootdisk command. Note: unless you
have a SCSI disk, I *think you can use the boot install floppy as an
emergency boot floppy -- just type 'linux root=/dev/hd??' at the boot
prompt'.
">
"> Just curious.
">
"> Micromans
">
">
">
--
\/
Robert Heller ||InterNet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://vis-www.cs.umass.edu/~heller || [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.deepsoft.com /\FidoNet: 1:321/153
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Subject: Re: numerical computations under Linux
From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 21:00:04 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grant Edwards) writes:
' I've always thought it rude to use gcc to malign so many useful
' concepts.
Such puns are punishable by law. You are sentenced to a severe noodle
whipping.
--
David Steuber | Hi! My name is David Steuber, and I am
NRA Member | a hoploholic.
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=hoplite&submit=Look+it+up
The problem with AI is that it has a mind of its own
--- Devon Miller
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From: Brian Foddy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Pentium Kernel compile problems with PGCC 2.95.3
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 21:03:07 GMT
I am having problems compiling a good kernel with the latest PGCC 2.95.3
for a Penium 100.
I have 2 machines, a P2-450 and a Pentium-100. I built and loaded
the latest PGCC from source on the P2 machine. Everything seemed to
be working fine until I try and build code for the Penium machine from
the P2. If I build PentiumPro code for the P2 machine, the kernels work
fine.
When I build Pentium code however, the kernel doesn't load. After the
lilo selection is made, I get the Loading message with the dots, but
before
all the dots are output (and definately before the uncompressing) the
machine reboots, no error message.
Details: I am using -O6, -march=pentium, -mpenium, -mcpu=pentium
-DCPU=586
plus all the other normal options in the compiles. I've tried -O2 also
but to the same result. I'm compiling Mandrakes 2.2.16 kernel.
The P2 has Mandrake 7.1, the Pentium has Mandrake 6.1 but
with upgraded kernels.
I can take the exact same make files and .config files and move over to
the Pentium machine which has an older version of PGCC 2.91.66
and build and they work fine. Also the standard gcc compiler on the P2
works
fine. To my knowledge, I'm doing all the same and
correct steps in loading the kernel, I am re-running lilo with the
correct
lilo.conf settings. But clearly it doesn't get far enough to get
into most of the modules and other problem areas.
Ideas?
Brian
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