Linux-Misc Digest #200, Volume #25 Fri, 21 Jul 00 21:13:03 EDT
Contents:
re:minicom (elaine chan)
Need help with setting up NFS for a networked PC. (Madhusudan Singh)
Re: Linux & free ISPs ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Operating systems for personal-computers? (Kelly and Sandy)
Linux ELF binaries under M$ (Dmitri V)
Re: Operating systems for personal-computers? (me)
Re: Sawfish not working on Current Gnome (Aaron Ginn)
Re: Linux Friendly DSL ISPs (OldUncleMe)
Re: Operating systems for personal-computers? (Michael Koenig)
Re: Operating systems for personal-computers? ("Chris Tarnas")
Re: Need help with setting up NFS for a networked PC. (Dances With Crows)
Re: Action Tec 56K call waiting modem (Duane)
Re: Linux & free ISPs (Craig McCluskey)
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Subject: re:minicom
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (elaine chan)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 23:26:01 GMT
In order to get minicom to work for username on my RedHat6.1, I did
the following :
my modem is on ttyS1
ls -lar /dev/ttyS1
crw------- 1 root tty
This shows the modem device is owned by root and tty group has priviledges
that are not in use yet. So I activated group read and write by:
chmod g+rw /dev/ttyS1 and then joined the tty group by adding username
after the colon in /etc/group.
If there is a better way to get user access to minicom please let me know.
Thanks. er-chan at scn.org
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From: Madhusudan Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Need help with setting up NFS for a networked PC.
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 23:27:31 +0000
Hello,
I recently installed RH Linux 6.2 on my office PC. The PC is
networked through LAN. I tried to create an NFS link to one of the
servers using linuxconf. The settings are :
1. Server cello.eecs.umich.edu.
2. Volume /z (all accounts on cello.eecs.umich.edu are of the type
/z/userxxx).
3. Mount point /nfs/cello.
4. Read only, user mountable and mountable by device owner. NFS options
- background mount. Misc options - none.
When I cd to /nfs/cello and do a listing, all the user names on
cello.eecs.umich.edu appear (meaning that the mount is at least
partially succesful).
However, what I want is that a particular user on my system (same user
id on cello.eecs.umich.edu too) should be able to access his files
through a simple cd or cp (as against an ftp or telnet). Security would
demand that he not be able to snoop into other user directories on
cello.eecs.umich.edu.
Right now, there is nothing in the setup (or so I imagine) that can do
this. In any case, when I cd to /nfs/cello/userxxx and do an ls, I get a
(partially expected) null listing.
How do I set up NFS properly ? As you may guess, I am a relative rookie.
Thanks in advance,
Madhusudan Singh.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux & free ISPs
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 23:19:37 GMT
Hi,
I have been reading multiple response about switching to other free isp
or asking for other ISP that supports linux.
I think that we should move and ask juno free access to linux (with ot
without banners).
If juno cuts free access to linux users, it means cutting connection to
freedom. IMHO, we should do something, fight for freedom. Let us make a
choice.
Any good writer out there? Anyone could post a model letter? Any ideas?
any comments?
In article <s5%d5.740$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Robert Barry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Netzero website says they will support Linux. Look under Press
Releases.
> However, they don't give a date.
>
> Robert
>
> "mst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Hi-
> >
> > I've been using freewwweb for quite a while now - but as of this
> > morning, they're officially dead. Bought off by Juno. The
announcement
> > at http://home.freewwweb.com says that you have to use a juno
account
> > from now on, however, Juno uses windows-only dialup software a la
> > netzero, with an ads bar you're supposed to "interact" with, and
they
> > specifically mention NOT supporting Linux.
> >
> > So, I was wondering, what other free ISPs compatible with Linux are
> > there? I know Worldspy was also bought by Juno. I'm specifically
> > interested in having a local dial-up number in the NYC area. TIA,
> >
> >
> > MST
>
>
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Before you buy.
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From: Kelly and Sandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake,comp.lang.oberon,comp.os.lynx,comp.os.mach,comp.os.misc,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.psion.misc
Subject: Operating systems for personal-computers?
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 00:36:57 +0100
In a alt.os.linux.mandrake newsletter entitled "LINUX SUX THE BIG
WAZOO!", Rootman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
>Linux isn't for everyone it certainly isn't for the average user
>for a desktop PC - although it will gladly fill that role if
>desired. It requires the user to relearn a lot of the ingrained
>ideas that MS has foisted off on us over the years and forces the
>user to actually understand what he is doing.
>
>If you don't like it then don't use it. Donate you CD to a local
>school or friend who can put it to use. Linux works, it was you
>that failed to understand it's intracasies and nuances. Move on,
>go back to Windows and chalk it up to experience.
My middle name is "Newbie".
I'd like to ask any people who happen to be browsing this newsletter
what viable personal computer operating systems are available today,
besides your Microsoft.
There's the Macintosh (MacOS) Next computer I get will be a Mac.
There's Linux Hmm, we all know and love this one.
There's Oberon Not cooperative multitasking?
There's BeOS Thin, very thin, last I looked.
There's EPOC32 Nice. Is this only for handhelds?
There's OS2 Not sure. Is this still ongoing?
By "viable", I refer to the intuited meaning: that my grandmother
could start use it and begin to think of the computer as her "personal
computer".
In all seriousness, is there anything else I should consider?
With kind regards,
Sandy
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From: Dmitri V <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux ELF binaries under M$
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 20:38:10 +0000
Hi,
Well, there are some tools, which allow us to run certain DOS/Windows
apps under *nixes --- Wine, Wabi, Dosemu, VmWare, VNC, etc. But what
about the reverce process - say, I compiled a brilliant program on my
Linux box and am eager to show its recently added features to my
girlfried, who runs Windows 98 and has no single chance to access any
*nix machines, neither locally nor remotely (so, VNC does not help).
In other words, what kind of Linux emulators exist on M$ (apart from
VmWare)?
Dmitri
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Subject: Re: Operating systems for personal-computers?
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake,comp.lang.oberon,comp.os.lynx,comp.os.mach,comp.os.misc,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.psion.misc
From: me <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 19:45:19 -0400
Kelly and Sandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In a alt.os.linux.mandrake newsletter entitled "LINUX SUX THE BIG
> WAZOO!", Rootman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
>=20
> >Linux isn't for everyone it certainly isn't for the average user
> >for a desktop PC - although it will gladly fill that role if
> >desired. It requires the user to relearn a lot of the ingrained
> >ideas that MS has foisted off on us over the years and forces the
> >user to actually understand what he is doing.
> >
> >If you don't like it then don't use it. Donate you CD to a local
> >school or friend who can put it to use. Linux works, it was you
> >that failed to understand it's intracasies and nuances. Move on,
> >go back to Windows and chalk it up to experience.
>=20
>=20
> My middle name is "Newbie".
>=20
>=20
> I'd like to ask any people who happen to be browsing this newslette=
r
> what viable personal computer operating systems are available today=
,
> besides your Microsoft.
>=20
>=20
> There's the Macintosh (MacOS) Next computer I get will be a Mac.
personally cant stand the interface, but it works for you, great
> There's Linux Hmm, we all know and love this one=
=2E
if you're willing to learn it, you likely wont go back
> There's Oberon Not cooperative multitasking?
nice os, for developers
> There's BeOS Thin, very thin, last I looked.
nice, has great potential, NEEDS DRIVERS
> There's EPOC32 Nice. Is this only for handhelds?
dont know
> There's OS2 Not sure. Is this still ongoing?
ibm put out a convience pack recently, apparently it is in limited amount=
s
=20
you forgot QNX, a real time linuxish unix, looks easier to, maybe getting=
the
free cd, I'll have to let you know.
>=20
> By "viable", I refer to the intuited meaning: that my grandmothe=
r
> could start use it and begin to think of the computer as her "persona=
l
> computer".
>=20
>=20
> In all seriousness, is there anything else I should consider?
>=20
>=20
> With kind regards,
>=20
>=20
> Sandy
>=20
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99B
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From: Aaron Ginn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sawfish not working on Current Gnome
Date: 21 Jul 2000 16:18:35 -0700
Gordon Gilbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I just upgraded last night to the current Gnome (1.2.4) and Sawfish
> won't work anymore. I had just upgraded to the latest Sawfish a
> couple of days ago, replacing Sawmill on my Linux Madrake 7.1
> install and it worked fine until I upgraded Gnome last night. I
> tried removing it and reinstalling it, but it won't start. I get
> "can't open Sawfish" errors. It won't work if I try to use Sawfish
> without Gnome any more either. :(
>
> I even tried compiling the src RPM, but it says:
>
> configure: error: You need rep-gtk version 0.13+
>
> The thing is that I have version 0.13a-1mdk already. I don't know
> why it thinks my version is older than that. I'm not sure it would
> make much difference anyways. I downloaded the latest mandrake
> build of Sawfish (yes there's been another one in the past week) and
> it doesn't work for me either.
>
> When I upgraded Gnome, I used the Helix auto-install routine, if
> that matters any. Does anyone have any idea what may be wrong or
> something to try to get it to work again? Thanks. (I'm using IceWM
> right now in Gnome, which still works and so does Englightenment).
>
> Thanks,
> Gordon
Gordon,
I did exactly the same thing just three nights ago. I couldn't get
Sawfish to work either. I went into the window managers menu in GNOME
Control Center and I had sawfish selected. Strangely enough there was
an entry for sawmill also (these are the same window manager). I
selected sawmill instead of sawfish and when I restarted X, everything
worked. You might try this.
Aaron
--
Aaron J. Ginn Motorola SPS
Phone: (480) 814-4463 SemiCustom Solutions
Fax: (480) 814-4058 1300 N. Alma School Rd.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (OldUncleMe)
Subject: Re: Linux Friendly DSL ISPs
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 23:58:46 GMT
It was: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:09:40 GMT and with STARTLING insight,
"[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hal Burgiss)"
posted "Re: Linux Friendly DSL ISPs"
to "comp.os.linux.misc" :
-->On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:38:15 GMT, Hal Burgiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
-->>On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:53:43 -0500, Jan Schaumann
-->><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
-->>>
-->>>check out http://www.speakeasy.net (or .org)
-->>>I have 4 Static IP's,
-->>>run my own http-,mail- and nameserver,
-->>>have a tiny little LAN,
-->>>unlimited bandwidth,
-->>>am allowed to run whatever I want (gnutella,napster,game-server,chat-client etc)
-->>Thanks! Already had several good reports about them. Quality is another
-->>issue, and they seem to keep people happy.
-->PS -- I've got a short list started:
--> http://feenix.eyep.net/dsl/linux_dsl.html
-->Hal B
Despite all those nice features, here in Atlanta the price for a basic
service from speakeasy.net, up to 2 ip's, no mention of servers on the
pricing page, etc., would run about $60.00 per month....this is
considerably more than cable, @~$49.00/mo wi/cable t.v. thrown in..... So,
despite some disadvantages and comcast/whoever now owns them's policy
prohibiting servers, for d/l internet cable&nat is the weener
pricewise..../ts
tenox @ home dot com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Koenig)
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake,comp.lang.oberon,comp.os.lynx,comp.os.mach,comp.os.misc,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.psion.misc
Subject: Re: Operating systems for personal-computers?
Date: 22 Jul 2000 00:02:22 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 22 Jul 2000 00:36:57 +0100, Kelly and Sandy wrote:
> I'd like to ask any people who happen to be browsing this newsletter
>what viable personal computer operating systems are available today,
>besides your Microsoft.
Just a note, Microsoft is the firm, the OS is called Windows.
> There's the Macintosh (MacOS) Next computer I get will be a Mac.
Well, it depends if you count the Mac as a PC or not...
> There's Linux Hmm, we all know and love this one.
Know? Sure, you could get around it with all that hype at the moment.
Love? Not really, it's too bulky and to hard to administrate.
> There's Oberon Not cooperative multitasking?
It still exists? I didn't even know that it was ported to PCs...
> There's BeOS Thin, very thin, last I looked.
Call it streamlined ;-)
> There's EPOC32 Nice. Is this only for handhelds?
That's not a PC OS but for embedded systems, otherwise you'd have to
mention PalmOS and WinCE as well.
> There's OS2 Not sure. Is this still ongoing?
Don't know, I'm not that into OS/2.
> By "viable", I refer to the intuited meaning: that my grandmother
>could start use it and begin to think of the computer as her "personal
>computer".
Well, if you want ease of use then you have to go for BeOS, but it also
depends if you want to be able to run standard applications or not.
It's not a question of "What looks nice?", but "What do I want to do with
it?"
> In all seriousness, is there anything else I should consider?
Well, you forgot the following:
FreeBSD: A BSD Unix clone, not really for desktops, but very good for
servers.
(Several other Unix clones, eg. SCO)
Solaris: Sun's OS was ported to the PC as well.
QNX: A real-time OS, which will be free for personal use by this summer.
(http://www.qnx.com/)
DOS: Hey, it runs stable ;-)
I'm sure I forgot several others...
--
M.I.K.e
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From: "Chris Tarnas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake,comp.lang.oberon,comp.os.lynx,comp.os.mach,comp.os.misc,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.sys.be.misc,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.psion.misc
Subject: Re: Operating systems for personal-computers?
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 17:25:16 -0700
Kelly and Sandy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
>
>
> My middle name is "Newbie".
>
>
> I'd like to ask any people who happen to be browsing this newsletter
> what viable personal computer operating systems are available today,
> besides your Microsoft.
>
>
> There's the Macintosh (MacOS) Next computer I get will be a Mac.
> There's Linux Hmm, we all know and love this one.
> There's Oberon Not cooperative multitasking?
> There's BeOS Thin, very thin, last I looked.
> There's EPOC32 Nice. Is this only for handhelds?
> There's OS2 Not sure. Is this still ongoing?
>
Amiga Warm fuzzy memories for me.
Solaris Intel version was free at JavaOne.
Santa Cruz Operation (SCO)
BSD
-chris
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Need help with setting up NFS for a networked PC.
Date: 22 Jul 2000 00:25:06 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 21 Jul 2000 23:27:31 +0000, Madhusudan Singh
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I recently installed RH Linux 6.2 on my office PC. The PC is
>networked through LAN. I tried to create an NFS link to one of the
>servers using linuxconf. The settings are :
>1. Server cello.eecs.umich.edu.
>2. Volume /z (all accounts on cello.eecs.umich.edu are of the type
>/z/userxxx).
>3. Mount point /nfs/cello.
>4. Read only, user mountable and mountable by device owner. NFS options
>- background mount. Misc options - none.
>
>When I cd to /nfs/cello and do a listing, all the user names on
>cello.eecs.umich.edu appear (meaning that the mount is at least
>partially succesful).
>
>However, what I want is that a particular user on my system (same user
>id on cello.eecs.umich.edu too) should be able to access his files
>through a simple cd or cp (as against an ftp or telnet). Security would
>demand that he not be able to snoop into other user directories on
>cello.eecs.umich.edu.
>
>Right now, there is nothing in the setup (or so I imagine) that can do
>this. In any case, when I cd to /nfs/cello/userxxx and do an ls, I get a
>(partially expected) null listing.
What's /etc/exports on cello look like? Linuxconf may have done all
sorts of weird things to it; having the raw data could be helpful. I'd
think you'd want to have the file look like so:
#/etc/exports on cello
/z *.eecs.umich.edu(ro,map_daemon)
# other lines...
Change ro to rw if you want to allow write access too, but you might
want to leave map_daemon in there just in case the UIDs get out of sync
between/among your machines. Also, when/if a remote root user tries to
access files on /z , his UID will be mapped to "nobody", which will give
him pretty much zero privileges and might lead to the symptoms you
describe above if you tested this out as root. You can change this
behavior by adding no_root_squash to the ()ed line above, but you really
shouldn't do that.
If your UID on the remote host is, say, "bob", you should be able to
mount /nfs/cello, cd /nfs/cello/bob, and do an ls to see every file in
the directory.
--
Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin/ That which does not kill us
http://www.brainbench.com / makes us stranger.
============================/ ==Trevor Goodchild
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From: Duane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Action Tec 56K call waiting modem
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:58:19 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Hello All,
> I am new to linux and would like to configure my
> Actiontec 56K call waiting modem with my machine.
> I have no idea on the communication software. I
> had recently installed Red hat linux on my system,
> and would like to no some basic commands to
> connect my modem.
> The final thing which I would like to achieve is
> browse the net using linux.
> I tried at etc.
> root> at <enter>
> It says "garbled time".
> Please do help on commands so that I can dial my
> netzero/lycos isp numbers.
I would not bother trying to get "at" to work. If you are running gnome
under redhat, then go into the Internet menu and select the "dialup
configuration tool", or as root run rp3-config. It worked fine on my
Actiontec 56K call waiting modem (RH 6.1). When that is installed, you
can then as a user, right click on the tool bar, and select:
Add Applet -> Network -> RH PPP Dialer
That will add an icon to your tool bar that you just click on to dialup
your isp. A fairly painless process.
--
My real email is akamail.com@dclark (or something like that).
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From: Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux & free ISPs
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 19:52:32 -0500
mst wrote:
> =
> Craig McCluskey wrote:
> =
> > What the freewwweb page actually says is,
> >
> > Freewwweb is now signing up new subscribers through
>
> Actually, what it says is:
> "Freewwweb is proud to announce that we have an agreement with
I just went to www.freewweb.com and was redirected to
http://www.juno.com/about_freewwweb/index.html# . =
It says what I quoted. =
Where did you find what you quoted?
There is a "Questions & Help" button on the URL above and one
of the questions there is answered by:
You can still access your old Freewwweb mail exactly the
same way you used to, via your POP3 Mail software, as =
long as Freewwweb continues to provide service.
This does seem to say that Freewwweb will be shutting down.
In addition,
12. Can I use another e-mail reader, such as Outlook or =
Eudora? Can I get my Juno mail through POP3?
At present, we do not support this feature. You can only
check your Juno mail through the Juno software or through
Juno WebMail. You can, of course, forward your Freewwweb
e-mail to your Juno account.
9. What are Juno's minimum requirements?
Juno requires a 486 PC (Pentium recommended), 8 MB of RAM,
25 MB of free disk space, Windows=AE 95, Windows =AE 98,
Windows NT=AE 4.0, or later, a 14400-baud modem (28800-baud
or faster recommended), and an SVGA monitor. =
Please note: Juno does not currently offer a Macintosh or
Linux version of our software. =
So, we need to find something else. Maybe the Open ISP Project
at http://open-isp.linuxbe.org/ is a start.
Craig
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