Linux-Misc Digest #200, Volume #19 Sat, 27 Feb 99 03:13:10 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux/FreeBSD compatability (Was Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)) (Robert
Sexton)
Re: Creating animated GIFs under Linux (Matthias Warkus)
Re: More bad news for NT (Matthias Warkus)
Serial terminal (Matthias Warkus)
configure error (tim rosen)
Re: More bad news for NT (Harry)
Re: Problem making a Custom RedHat 5.2 CD ("Reader")
Re: Cable Modems with Linux (Luc Leblond)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Graffiti)
Re: enlightenment themes? (Ross Vandegrift)
Re: Cable Modems with Linux (David M. Cook)
Re: Pentium III and Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Encryption of passwords for AuthUserFile on Apache server? (Louis LeBlanc)
Re: HELP! parallel port cd-r drive not working ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Windows/linux connectivity? (Jerry Sanders)
Re: Help finding ARCserve agent needed. (Rich Bowen)
Re: Linux on a 486DX 33 ISA system (Walter Strong)
Re: Going from Win 98 and Office 97 to Linux and ???? (Gregory Propf)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert Sexton)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Linux/FreeBSD compatability (Was Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?))
Date: 27 Feb 1999 04:00:02 GMT
Matthias Buelow ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: I wonder how compatibility can be enhanced with the same binary format;
It makes life lots easier for the kernel folks. they don't have to
obey a lot of different rules when loading binaries. The concept is
that all excutable have the same basic layout: text, data, bss, etc.
Somewhere in the nicely standardized header are fields that tell you
a. This really is an i386 binary, not something for MIPS.
b. It wants to run on linux. - Fire up the linux emulator.
c. Alternatly, its for AIX - reject it.
etc, etc.
disclaimer - I am not a kernel hacker.
: Fooix ELF programs are very unlikely to run on Blarghix, even if the
: latter is also using ELF and even if both systems run on the same
: hardware architecture.
Thats why executable format is only half the battle. Libraries are
where the action is. Thats the origin of the SVID.
: The only advantage is that the C compiler toolchain has to deal with
: fewer different formats; this is usually not so important with
: commercial systems which have their own compiler and stuff as with
: the freeish systems, which usually use gcc and (at least some) of the
: GNU binutils.
A single toolchain is a great benefit, even to the commercial folks.
Think of all the work that Sun DIDN'T do when they went i386.
Think portable linkers, debuggers (well, sorta :-), etc.
: I thought the switch from qmagic to ELF on FreeBSD 3
: was more induced by the lack of ongoing support for a.out formats
: by gcc and the binutils than by some unification concept (there are
: a few technical advantages of ELF aswell, when it comes to dynamic
: language aspects such as C++ constructors, and some shared library
: aspects which are some kind of a kludge on a.out qmagic/zmagic).
I can't really comment on the whole scope of the ELF switch in
FreeBSD, but yes, the demise of aout support was a factor. AFAIK,
the switch didn't provide any *dramatic* benefits, because aout already
provided most of what ELF offered (For FBSD, at least), and it already
supported other people's ELF binaries. Just not native elf.
: >will lead to compatibility on other platforms than x86: with one binary
: >covering SPARC/Solaris,NetBSD,OpenBSD and Linux, for example.)
: This is unlikely because this binary would have to be build for all
: architectures.
With a unified tool chain and ABI, the author just recompiles on an
appropriate machine.
: This starts with different machine code in the code
: segment and machine word lengths in data and goes on over system
: differences, like different system call numbers and call-down methods,
: different memory layout and so on.
: Such a universal run-everywhere
: binary would therefore be much larger (depending on how many
: architectures and systems get compiled in) than with the current concept.
: I don't think it'll be useful in practice.
Nobody is proposing the single binary concept.
Its more along the lines of "Would you like FooApp for Intel, MIPS, or
Alpha?". A good executable format and ABI will impose NO overhead
beyond what you'd have in the general format. Basically, its a format
that everybody can live with. This was tried with COFF and the SVABI,
and it didn't really pan out. AFAIK, there were technical problems
with COFF, and SVABI wasn't quite good enough for everybody.
If ELF delivers, vendors go from supporting AIX, HP/UX,
SCO, Sun, Linux, Ultrix, Xenix^h^h^h^h^h, *BSD, to basically one
product that runs on the architecture of your choice, or more likely.
Genuine binary compatibilty would truly change everything.
Its the closest to shrink wrap that UNIX will ever get. The great
strength of UNIX has been portability, and that has come at a cost:
While software authors don't have to re-write, they have to port.
This can be a trivial or challenging job, depending on the quality of
the software, and how closely the UNIXes match.
Customer: "Would you re-compile FooApp on GeekNix for me?"
Vendor: I'm sure it would re-compile, but we can't support it,
because we have 10000 CorpUNIX customers and no GeekNIX customers. Go
Away.
With Binary compatibilty, we all win.
--
Robert Sexton - [EMAIL PROTECTED], Cincinnati OH, USA
If car manufactures were the nra their slogan would be
"Cars don't kill comunities, people kill communities." - Unknown
Read the Newton FAQ! <http://www.kudra.com/newton/newton-faq>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: Creating animated GIFs under Linux
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 19:05:16 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the 25 Feb 1999 09:06:53 GMT...
..and David Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Neil Zanella wrote:
> > >
> > > Is there a free tool for Linux that allows you to compose (rather
> > than just
> > > view with xv) animated gif files.
> > > Is it possible to edit gif files directly as ordinary files?
> > > How do people make those animated gifs?
>
> The GIMP.
>
> Has anyone seen the GIMP book ('Artists guide to the GIMP' or
> some such?
>
> If so, is it any good?
You mean the GUM? The freely available PDF book?
It's a dream.
It's a masterpiece.
It's art.
mawa
--
No one may kill a man. Not for any purpose. It cannot be condoned.
-- Kirk, "Spock's Brain", stardate 5431.6
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: More bad news for NT
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 19:12:53 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Wed, 24 Feb 1999 04:12:48 -0500...
..and Harry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Also, I thought this was about OSs, not the applications that run on
> them. I'm hardly impressed with Midnight Commander on Red Hat 5.1 -
> I wouldn't describe it as having bugs, I'd describe it as having a
> few features that actually work reliably. However, I wouldn't say:
> "Linux is rubbish, just take a look at MC," 'cos it isn't the OS.
I hope you mean the Gnome Midnight Commander and not the console mc.
As far as I know, ordinary mc on the text console is a program that's
been existing for years and which does its job very well.
The Gnome Midnight Commander front end, OTOH, is heavily under
development.
mawa
--
Not everything in the world exists because of or for the benefit of
economics.
-- Arthur
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Serial terminal
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 19:21:37 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For my new box, perhaps I'd like to have a serial terminal hooked up
to the free RS232 port. Thus, I've got some questions.
1. Which terminal do you recommend?
2. Where do I get one, cheap, preferably in Germany?
3. Is there a length limit on serial cables?
mawa
--
Zwei Dinge sind unendlich - Das Universum und die menchliche Dummheit.
-- Heiko W. Rupp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: tim rosen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: configure error
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 01:41:58 -0500
This problem applies when I try to install many apps that require "./configure"
(including TkZip, ksendfax, which is what I'm currently wrestling with) to make
install.
As root, when I type "./configure" as I'm instructed for install, I get:
"./configure: Permission denied"
What does this mean. So next I type "sh ./configure" and I get:
"configure: error: can not run ./config.sub"
So now how exactly do I go about installing these apps? Any help would be much
appreciated.
I am running RH5.2 & KDE1.1.
Thanks.
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From: Harry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More bad news for NT
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 09:28:16 -0500
> Well said. I like Linux, i use it every day to study and to
> develop my programming skills, but I'm working every day with
> Inprise Delphi (which is good money). Delphi is just beautifull
> (the ease to develop high quality business apps), but i can't say
> that to most linux-users i know. They prefer to use Gtk wich is
> good, but can't beat Delphi on application quality. I prefer not
> to discuss development time :-).
May I add my voice to that? I've used visual development tools,
including Visual Basic, Visual J++, and VisualAge for Java (my
favourite by far) and I've not seen anything on Linux that matches
their quality (though, if NetBeans runs on Linux, this could
change). This is not a condemnation of Linux and Linux applications,
just an observation of where Linux is at present. I'm also studying
Linux and would dearly love an opportunity to introduce it to my
company.
Harry
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From: "Reader" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Problem making a Custom RedHat 5.2 CD
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 22:34:10 GMT
download the ISO image available at:
ftp://linux.engr.uark.edu/pub/linux/redhat-5.2-iso-images/
jdn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in article
<7b3nae$fhq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> This is a little obscure, but here goes....
>
> I have an HP CD-Writer Plus 7200i CD-RW drive and want to use it to make
a
> custom RedHat 5.2 CD that I can install off of (I've been using RedHat
5.1,
> which I bought, since October, I think).
>
> I have downloaded all of the relevant files from various mirror sites
> (including additional ones like the powertools directory) and have
created
> the directories and subdirectories properly. I know this because I have
> used the directory structure from a FAT partition to install 5.2 using
the
> "install from a local hard drive" option, using the updated boot and supp
> floppies, so I know I can install from a hard drive.
>
> However, when I burn a CD with the same directory structure (albeit with
an
> additional 'root' directory on the CD, which contains a bunch of
downloaded
> apps I have), it doesn't work. I boot with the updated boot floppy and
> indicate I want to install from the CD-ROM, the drive light blips when it
> says it is initializing the CD-ROM, and then...nothing. In order to make
> sure there isn't an issue with now having two CD drives (my original and
the
> HP), I started an install procedure with the Official 5.1 CD-ROM disc,
and
> it doesn't hang. After it says it is initializing the CD-ROM, it says
> "second stage install" for a few moments while reading the CD-ROM, and
then
> continues.
>
> The odd think is that if I boot into my Linux partition that is already
> created, I can read from the burned CD, I can copy files from it, and I
can
> update RPMS off of it without a problem.
>
> I am using the included Easy CD Creator software to burn the disc. The
only
> two file systems offered are ISO-9660 (which 'mangles' the file names to
> 8.3, which is no good) and Joliet. Someone else suggested to me that
Joliet
> is the problem, but again, my installed Linux partition can read it just
> fine.
>
> Maybe there is some boot option to force a recognition of Joliet during
the
> install process? I could just keep burning CDs that don't work like I
want,
> but I'd rather not.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> TIA
>
> jdn
> kingcrim at earthlink dot net
>
>
>
>
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From: Luc Leblond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.linux,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Cable Modems with Linux
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 02:07:42 -0500
teddy j wrote:
> 1) We have a cable modem, and our provider sez that it only works on
> Win95. I've heard that there are ways to get around this so that
> I can use it on linux. Any ideas?
>
> 2) How would I setup 2 systems to share the same cable modem? I'm
> told that there might be a way to setup the first system as a proxy
> server...that wd run Win95, and then connect my linux system thru
> that. In the end, both systems could use the cable modem, and that
> would be great!! Anyone know how to do this?
>
> thanx
> ted
>
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Hi,
go read the "ip masquerating" "ip forwarding" on sunsite's HOWTO.
You'll get your answer there ;p
btw, if you isp use a dhcpd, it's quite easy to install your cable modem
on your linux box.
later.
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From: Graffiti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: 25 Feb 1999 14:29:25 -0800
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Ken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
>> Because of this, GPL is only usable for home toy projects.
>> Outside that realm it breaks down quickly
>
> So IBM and Oracle are now toy mfg's:)
Ah... I can hear it now:
"Mommy, mommy, can I have that IBM S/390 system for my Oracle 8i server?
Pwease?"
"No dear, we already bought you three RS/6000 boxen for your DB/2
servers. This S/390 is for your baby brother."
-- DN
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From: Ross Vandegrift <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x,comp.linux.x
Subject: Re: enlightenment themes?
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 17:31:45 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"David A. Frantz" wrote:
>
> Well I'm using E on and off, often switching back to FVWM and find it very
> useful. The thing is you have to be willing to give it a break after all
> this is developers release 15. Its not like its the 20th version of
> EMACS, you can't even call it a new Born yet. IT certainly is the coolest
> windows manager going, I would love to see a stable release of E. Just a
> matter of time now.
Oh, I totally know, and wasn't downing it at all. I was just
commecnting on its *current* state. As a matter of fact, I CVSed the
new version last night and compiled it, and it is quite a bit better
than the older release I had running. The only problem: Where has the
E control tollbar on the lefthand side of the screen gone?
--
Ross Vandegrift | Eric J. Fenderson
ATTENTION: I have **finally** gotten my permit!!!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Cook)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.linux,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Cable Modems with Linux
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 07:06:10 GMT
On Sat, 27 Feb 1999 04:40:18 GMT, teddy j <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>1) We have a cable modem, and our provider sez that it only works on
>Win95.
They probably mean that they only support win9x (and maybe Macs).
>I've heard that there are ways to get around this so that
No need to get around it. A linux box is very easy to set up to use a cable
modem. Just treat it as a workstation on an ethernet network. If you want
several machines to share one IP you can use IP masquerading.
http://metalab.unc.edu/linux/HOWTO/mini/IP-Masquerade.html
Dave Cook
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Pentium III and Linux
Date: 27 Feb 1999 07:08:45 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: So will for example the 450MHz pentium III based machine work with
: SuSe (as an example) or will it be better to spend my money on a
: lower spec. machine ?
Been running a PIII 'big brother' 450 since last weekend with redhat 5.1.
Upgraded to 5.2 last night. No problems to report. As others have noted in
this thread the PII is pretty much a PII anyhow.
IAP
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From: Louis LeBlanc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Encryption of passwords for AuthUserFile on Apache server?
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 07:21:49 +0000
I seem to be lost. The documentation on the Apache web site has all the
info (if you have tome to read it all) except the method used to create
the user/password file for the AuthUserFile directive. How, exactly
does one encrypt these passwords into a file other than /etc/passwd? I
really don't want to have to write my own tool for this, I have too many
other rods in the fire already.
Thanks for all help.
Lou
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: HELP! parallel port cd-r drive not working
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 21:14:56 GMT
On Fri, 19 Feb 1999 16:33:06 -0800, Mark Ramos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
I've been watching the post and there hasn't been any answeres. I
myself have been thinking about purching a cd-r drive and would like
anybody who may know an answer or sugestion to try so if this happens
to me when I buy on, I'll know what to do...
>I am trying to get a parallel port cd-r drive to work in Linux and
>haven't been successful. Output from dmesg reports it as a Yamaha
>crw4261. I downloaded the latest cdrecord program (1.6.1) and I get
>the following errors when trying to create a dummy create. It is also
>set to speed=1. I also tried a different disk and I received the same
>problem.
>
>
>
><cut>
>Blocks total: 333750 Blocks current: 333750 Blocks remaining: 304892
>Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 1 in dummy mode for single session.
>Last chance to quit, starting dummy write in 1 seconds.
>Waiting for reader process to fill input-buffer ... input-buffer ready.
>Starting new track at sector: 0
>/opt/schily/bin/cdrecord: Input/output error. write_g1: scsi sendcmd:
>retryable
>error
>CDB: 2A 00 00 00 04 40 00 00 10 00
>status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION)
>Sense Bytes: 70 00 05 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 21 00 00 00 00 00
>Sense Key: 0x5 Illegal Request, Segment 0
>Sense Code: 0x21 Qual 0x00 (logical block address out of range) Fru 0x0
>Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid)
>resid: 32768
>cmd finished after 2.177s timeout 40s
>
>write track data: error after 2228224 bytes
>Sense Bytes: 70 00 00 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
>Writing time: 36.985s
>Fixating...
>WARNING: Some drives don't like fixation in dummy mode.
>/opt/schily/bin/cdrecord: faio_wait_on_buffer for writer timed out.
>
>Fixating time: 244.498s
>/opt/schily/bin/cdrecord: fifo had 196 puts and 69 gets.
>/opt/schily/bin/cdrecord: fifo was 0 times empty and 2 times full, min
>fill was 71%.
><cut>
>
>I tried changing the mode for the parallel port in CMOS but it only has
>options for flexible and standard. It was initially on flexible and
>changed it to standard but I still have the same problem.
>Help is appreciated!
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark Ramos
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jerry Sanders)
Subject: Re: Windows/linux connectivity?
Date: 25 Feb 1999 16:50:49 -0600
In article <7ar6b5$br7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, A. Vos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I want to 'look'at my Linux machine from my Windows 98 machine in a GUI way.
>Telnet works, that's no problem but is is character based.
>Is there a way in which you can 'explore' your Linux machine from a windows
>machine?
I have a solution that seems to work for me under HPUX. I have not
yet looked for a linux solution.
The trick is to have two machines. With prices dropping and becoming
obsolete this is less of a problem than it once was. Both machines
must have ethernet capability and be connected to each other.
Boot windows on one box, hpux (linux?) on another. I use reflection X
to telnet into the hpux box in a reflection X virtual desktop from
windows. From the telnet window, I set my DISPLAY variable to be the
PC then start window maker. After all is complete, I have my window
maker background, window maker pop-up menu, reflection x AND window
maker virtual desktops and the microsoft taskbar with the start button
all on one screen. I can run either windows or unix apps and have them
all show up on the same display. I can tell the difference between them
by the window blinds.
You do loose some things doing this. You loose windows short-cuts and
xlock but I thought that was a small price to pay. You may add samba
or replace reflection X with something similar if you like.
-jerry
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Richardson, TX Fax: (972) 497-4500
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From: Rich Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help finding ARCserve agent needed.
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 22:42:59 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Bosso) wrote:
>
> I'm trying to locate the ARCserve client agent for Linux. I've searched
> the CAI ftp and web sites to no avail. I found an old URL for it via
> dejanews, but it's invalid. Calls and e-mails to CAI have not been
> returned.
We got one from them. I've put it up on my web site at
http://www.rcbowen.com/arcserve_linux_agent.tar.gz TEMPORARILY - as in, I'll
remove it in about a week. That's not the original name of the file, and it
was buried somewhere deep on their web site, so I am not sure how to tell you
to get to the original. It is very old and unsupported, but it appears to
work, if you can get around the permissions issues. I'm working on that right
now, andwas just about to post a question about that.
Rich
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Walter Strong)
Subject: Re: Linux on a 486DX 33 ISA system
Date: 25 Feb 1999 11:41:38 GMT
Max Tulyev ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: ���������, [EMAIL PROTECTED]!
: At 20 Feb 99 18:29:13, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote to All:
: t> Your web page browser checker is broken. It tags me as having
: t> 'netscape
: t> .36' when in fact I am running 4.5.
: t> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.0.36 i686)
: BTW, is there Netscape 3.0 for Linux in the Net? 4.5 is large, slow and
: buggy suxx, but I can't find 3.0 on any FTP/WWW site... :-(((
You'll find Netscape 3.0 at any linux ftp that offers Monkey Linux.
It'll be a tar.gz file under, I believe, a subfolder of Monkey called
"packages". Sunsite is where I found it before. Here's a link that may
or may not be out of date:
ftp.spsselib.hiedu.cz/pub/linux/monkey/packages
It is nice and quick on a smaller machine.
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From: Gregory Propf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Going from Win 98 and Office 97 to Linux and ????
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 07:48:56 GMT
Rod Roark wrote:
>
> Sniper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >...
> >2. What can I use application wise that's not going to involve a huge
> >leap from Office ? and provide backwards compatibility with Word and
> >Excel 97 ?
For wordprocessing please consider Wordperfect 7.xxx (I'm not sure what
the current version number is) They fully support Linux and their
wordprocessor can read Microsoft formats. Their product is also faster,
smaller, more stable and just better all round than the comparable
Microsoft crap.
Office includes the MS access database which is nothing more than
Microsoft's attempt to turn SQL into a proprietary Microsoft language.
Consider Postgress, MySQL or about a dozen other Linux SQL products that
do everything access does but faster and in a non-proprietary way.
I honestly can't tell you much about spreadsheets. There's a commercial
spreadsheet for Linux whose name escapes me right now but which reads
Excel files.
Finally, consider Star Office. It is a complete package the way Office
is and I believe is now freeware.
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