Linux-Misc Digest #324, Volume #25 Wed, 2 Aug 00 23:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Triple Boot with 98+NT+Redhat for a 18 GB HDD? (Michel Catudal)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (Christopher Browne)
Re: Partition problems NT station (Michel Catudal)
Re: How to install new hardware in Linux? (E J)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (Christopher Browne)
Re: fwd: SuSE Linux 7.0 released (Michel Catudal)
Re: Linux on Mac LC III possible? (Mark Valiukas)
Re: xcdroast problems (Michel Catudal)
Re: 6805 assembler (Michel Catudal)
Re: text files (E J)
Re: SuSe 6.1 questions (blowfish)
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From: Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Triple Boot with 98+NT+Redhat for a 18 GB HDD?
Date: 2 Aug 2000 21:10:34 -0500
K C Seah a �crit :
>
> Hi! I guess that maybe you may encounter the same problem since your laptop
> HDD is huge and can offer me a ray of hope into this problem. I am trying
> to install a triple-boot on my laptop - win98/2000/red hat. I have created
> a FAT16 primary partition (2GB) for my Win 98 and next created a FAT32
> logical partition that is contained in the extended partition (14GB) and try
> to install the rest (2 GB) with Red Hat. I choose "Gnome Workstation" for
> the "installation type" and instead of automatically install and allocates
> the remainder 2 GB for Red Hat. Red Hat prompted me a inteface that talks
> about mounting drives which leaves me puzzled; default installation does not
> have this interface. Why is that so? I have read a few documentations and
> the closest problem I have seems to be that I am trying to install beyond
> the 1024th cylinder of the hard drive; my HDD is about >2000th cylinders.
> How do I install a boot partition with the first 8.4 GB with the following
> configuration
>
> This what the Disk Druid Shows:
>
> Mount Point Device Requested Actual Type
> <not set> hda1 2045M 2045M DOS 16-bit>=32 MB
> <not set> hda5 13215M 13215M Win98 FAT32
>
> Drive Geom[C/H/S] Total (M) Free (M) Used (M) Used (%)
> hda 2343/240/63 17297 2037 15260 88
>
> When I tried to add a /boot partition that is 16MB (Linux Native), The
> following error mesage appears:
>
> "They are currently unallocated partition present in the list of requested
> partitions. The unallocated partition are shown below, along with the
> reason why they were not allocated"
>
> "/boot Boot partition too big"
>
> Fmn,
> K C
The reason is simple, you will not be able to boot anything beyond the 1024th cylinder.
With the new lilo it is possible when lilo is on the MBR, I don't know about the NT
boot loader.
What you should do to get things to work if winblows is not installed is to install
winblows 98
first, then NT and then repartition and install RedHat. Make sure that you never ever
install anything
else before you install Winblows 98 2nd edition. The previous versions (except for the
very first Win 95 version)
don't have that search and destroy feature that Winblows 98 second edition has.
Every bootable partition must be below the first 1024 cylinders.
Partition as follows
1-Primary 2G fat16 for win 98 and boot loader of NT
2-Primary 2G for RedHat
3-Primary 128k swap partition
3-Extended partition with rest.
Note :
2G is not much for Linux. I have 20G on mine versus 3G for Winblows and feel like I'm
running out of space
under Linux while I have too much under winblows.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 02:13:04 GMT
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when blowfish would say:
>John Hasler wrote:
>> blowfish writes:
>> > Sure. *BSD are making money too. But they do allow the developers to keep
>> > their codes proprietary; just a tiny bit more option for the
>> > contributors- in my fscking opinion.
>>
>> I retain the right to license my code to any one I choose under any terms I
>> choose whether I release it under the GPL or the BSD license or any other
>> free software license. The terms of the license do not bind the author.
>>
>> > I'll re-read the GNU-GPL again.
>>
>> First go study up a bit on copyright.
>
>I will. I did have many of my work copyrighted (not computer related,
>but in arts.)
You, as author, automatically have rights to copy the material as you
please.
The critical point is that the GPL does not make any claim to apply to
the author.
The way that the GPL _would_ apply to you would be if you transferred
exclusive copyright over to, let's say, the FSF.
<http://gcc.gnu.org/fsf-forms/assignment-instructions.html> describes
this process; while the default assignment _is_ of exclusive
copyright, the grantor has the right to get back a non-exclusive
copyright given written notice:
"Upon thirty days' prior written notice, the Foundation agrees to
grant me non-exclusive rights to use the Work (i.e. my changes and
enhancements, not the program which I enhanced) as I see fit; (and
the Foundation's rights shall otherwise continue unchanged)."
Note that the _as I see fit_ part is what specifically allows you to,
even after the assignment, do _whatever you want_ with the software,
except, of course, for taking back the copy rights that were assigned
to the FSF.
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From: Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Partition problems NT station
Date: 2 Aug 2000 21:23:55 -0500
Dave a �crit :
>
> oksigen wrote:
>
> > I have a NT station with a new 14 Gig HD. The newly installed HD have
> > been set in such a way that 4 gig of space has been left unpartitioned
> > and unformated for furutre Linux Installation.
> > The unpartitioned portion of the HD is at the end of the two other NTFS
> > partitioned (c: and d:).
> >
This is the problem. You can't expect to be able to boot past the 1024 cylinder.
The only way that can be done is to use the newer lilo or boot from disks. I'm not sure
if the boot loader can boot, perhaps, you'll have to try but I do know that the current
lilo will not see that partition during boot time.
> > Problem: When I try to set an extended logical partition and install
> > linux with a swap an a native Linux partition, I can't reboot the
> > machine. The blue NT screen appears with something like "no bootable
> > partion found " .....
> >
It is not because it is a logical partition it is because it is not accessible during
boot time.
> > What should I do to successfully partition the last blocks of the
> > HD and install Linux (RH6.2) ?
> >
Repartition and have a partition lower than the 1024 cylinder or boot linux from disk
or the
NT boot loader if it works. You can't have lilo on the mbr and expect NT to boot.
The way I did it before I flushed that darn winblows NT was to use the OS/2 boot
manager
1- OS/2 boot manager
2 - 300 Meg fat16 partition with drdos and NT boot loader
2- 1 G win 98
3- Extended
1- 2G OS/2
2- 2G NT
3- 14G Linux
>
> Most systems won't let you boot from a logical partition in an extended
> partition. Either truncate the extended partition and set up the Linux
> partition (the Native, not the swap) as a primary partition, or install
> LILO on the MBR (which may conflict with NT's boot manager ... you'll have
> to ask sombody else to be sure, since I don't actually have NT at the
> moment).
There is no problem installing on logical partition, as a matter of fact I rarely ever
install it on a primary partition, I leave those for dos and winblows.
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From: E J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to install new hardware in Linux?
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 19:34:37 -0700
Dumb answer :) I usually get the latest linux distribution and do an
auto probe of my hardware, to at least get most of everything running in
linux. The stuff I did not get in the first pass, I try to reconfigure
manually in the second pass
sndconfig->sound
Xconfigurator->video cards
printtool->printer
control-panel->network cards
mouseconfig->mouse
and if I still cannot figure it out, go to the manufacturer website and
look for linux drivers (network cards usually)
and if I still stuck, read all the how-to's
If I still stuck, post the question on to a news group.
Buy compatible hardware (get rid of your winmodem)
If I am still stuck, pay Redhat, Caldera, SUSE, etc for support.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I am sure that this sounds like a dumb question, but if you have
> physically installed the hardware -- how do you then install it
> in Linux. I mean things like sound cards, video cards, keyboards,
> mice, printers, modems, network cards, etc. Thanks.
>
> --
>
> Neil
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 02:35:33 GMT
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when blowfish would say:
>Christopher Browne wrote:
>> Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when blowfish would say:
>> >Christopher Browne wrote:
>> >> Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when John Hasler would say:
>> >> >How could Debian "exploit" the GPL (or anything else)? Do you understand
>> >> >what Debian is?
>> >>
>> >> Indeed. I'd find it interesting just what systems are supposedly not
>> >> "exploiting" anything. It's pretty common for comments like this to come
>> >> from "BSD trolls;" the fact that BSDI bought out Walnut Creek, and
>> >> IBM bought WhistleJet demonstrate that the "BSD world" is not immune
>> >> to commercial attempts to "exploit" BSD code either.
>> >
>> >I just checked Linuxmall.com. Debian shows up in a box, with a $17.95
>> >price tag right next to it.
>>
>> The question is, who is it that's getting the $17.95.
>>
>> It is _not_ The Debian Project.
>>
>> >Sure. *BSD are making money too. But they do allow the developers to
>> >keep their codes proprietary; just a tiny bit more option for the
>> >contributors- in my fscking opinion. :-)
>>
>> Since the author retains rights to license his or her own code under
>> whatever arrangements they wish, I'm not sure what additional option
>> they _actually_ get.
>>
>> >> >> ...where you no longer has any rights to.
>> >> >
>> >> >Wrong. I still own the copyrights on my stuff and only I can distribute
>> >> >the software under any license other than the GPL.
>> >>
>> >> ... Which is the _fascinating_ thing about the GPL, and also the
>> >> most-misunderstood...
>> >>
>> >Maybe I've misinterputed the GNU-GPL a little, but life is a non-stop
>> >learning process. Right!?
>> >
>> >I'll re-read the GNU-GPL again. Maybe I'll agree with you later, or
>> >maybe not. It all depends on how you interpute the language written in
>> >the lisence. Common fools like me read differently than bean-counters,
>> >or lawyers... Or GNU-GPL gurus...
>>
>> Read the GPL looking for clauses that indicate that they are binding
>> on the author.
>>
>> You won't find any, because if you are the _author_, the GPL _doesn't
>> bind you._
>>
>> That is an _essential_ fact that keeps getting missed.
>>
>Geez! Did I opened up a can of worms!? :P
I don't see any worms. Of the Morris variety or otherwise...
>> For something like the Linux kernel, that has hundreds if not thousands
>> of authors, the GPL winds up being pretty binding overall, as people
>> give Linus Torvalds code that _they_ have released under the GPL, thus
>> binding him to release it under the GPL.
>
>Is that why we keep getting the "Kernel de jour?" :-0
No, the more-or-less-weekly kernel update occurs because a lot of
changes get contributed in.
>> In contrast, if I am the sole author of GnomoVision, the Ever Cool DVD
>> Player that runs on Linux, I can simultaneously release it licensed under
>> the GPL, and, based on my rights as author, simultaneously release it
>> under the Studly License, where in order to use it, you have to send me
>> $5000 and a greeting card that says that I'm A Stud, as well as under
>> a license whereby Be Software pays me $500,000, and then is allowed to
>> include a GnomoVision DVD in their boxed sets of BeOS.
>
>I'm no stub or even macho. I'm a whimpy NOBODY. But self-confident and
>self-secure by default. :-)
>
>I give up playing music and video on pc already. A stand alone hardware
>home player is mutto better
>than any pc based player. And it's actually not costing any much more
>either. A decent DVD stand alone home player can be had for about
>$300-$400US. And can play music CD, CDV, have AC-3, DTS, etc. Not to
>mention without the annoying fans noises, HDDs spinning noises etc,
>coming out from the pc.
>
>And NO computer based sound reproduction set up can even come remotely
>close to the sound quality of my home sound system. (Yes, I'm one of
>those *real* audiophile, high-end audio snob.) ;-)
>
>I NEVER pay more than US$100. for a video card, since I NEVER care about
>games.
You miss the point. The specific name of the application, the nature
of the application, do not matter in the slightest. As mentioned
below, some of this is _a bit silly_.
>> Some of those options are somewhat silly, but legally viable.
The point, that evidently you're too enamoured with making fun of the
idea of a DVD player app to recognize, is that whatever the application,
whether a DVD player, or text editor, or accounting system, or web cache,
or whatever, the author has the ability to release the code simultaneously
under the GPL as well as under whatever other licenses he or she wishes
to use.
One might release under the GPL to provide something hobbyists may
be interested in, whilst also having a ROMed version configured for
deployment embedded in "appliance" devices, as well as having a third
license for "expensive, royaltied source that allows customization"
usable for those that like the GPLed code, but don't want to need to
release sources that the GPL would mandate.
That precise scenario has reportedly been the case for Aladdin
Ghostscript, which is dually released under GPL as well as other
'private' license arrangements, and I suspect that it's also the case
for the Cygnus Ecos RTOS.
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From: Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.suse,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: fwd: SuSE Linux 7.0 released
Date: 2 Aug 2000 21:41:08 -0500
blowfish a �crit :
>
> But I hope SuSE has taken out all the stupid games from the Professional
> version.
>
> The important stuff are the apps.
>
If they did they would piss off a lot of customers so my guess is that they won't.
If you don't want the games, do not install them.
I install them for my son and my wife who do like them even if I never play them.
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Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 12:46:36 +1000
From: Mark Valiukas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.m68k
Subject: Re: Linux on Mac LC III possible?
Grant Edwards wrote:
> Last time I checked (which was several months ago), you had to
> have hardware FPU support to boot the Linux kernel on a 68K
> Mac.
Last time I tried, which was several months ago, I managed to boot
my IIvi ('030, 16MHz?, no fpu). Don't know how _well_ it performs,
as I didn't do much more than that, but I did manage to create an ext2
filesystem and do a really small, really useless installation on the big
80Mb drive :-)
Mark.
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From: Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: xcdroast problems
Date: 2 Aug 2000 21:45:15 -0500
Steffen Katzner a �crit :
>
> > I had this problem with the 92 version because it cannot write to a disk
> > more than once. No multisession support. What that means is that you
> > now have a one song cd!!!
> >
> > If that is your case either upgrade to 96 (i couldn't get it to install,
> > or write all your songs in one smack.
> > Brian
>
> This happens with every new cd I'm trying to write to.
> And I always try to write all songs in one go.
> Do you have another idea? Steffen.
Uninstall xcdroast and install gcombust, that one works with music. For data be
carefull since
it often burns the CDs as if the data were songs and you end up with friesbies. It
does make a nice
ISO image that you can burn with cdrecord. Do a man cdrecord for the details.
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From: Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 6805 assembler
Date: 2 Aug 2000 21:46:22 -0500
"Eric Y. Chang" a �crit :
>
> Hi. Does anyone know of a good assembler for 6805 Motorola micros?
> What I am looking for is something that will assemble already
> existing files from vendors app notes. Although some of the source
> code is understandable, it seems better to have the standard features
> already implemented.
>
> Are these features standard?
> pragmas
> * as comment character
> * as label
> ! as exponent
> control case sensitivity on labels
>
> Thanks,
> Eric
I have written one. If you are interested in improving it I could publish the source
code
on my web site.
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From: E J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: text files
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 19:48:42 -0700
I have three palm programs in my linux box, JPilot, KPilot and Gnome Pilot.
I hope I don't mix them up, but KPilot puts its memo into
/home/<user_id>/pilotMemos/<category_like_Unfiled>/<first_few_characters_of_your_palm_memo>
If you create your own pilotMemos entry with the 4K text limit, it may
work.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Can anyone tell me if there is a way to import a text file into the Palm
> Pilot? Currently I am cutting and pasting but would like a more direct
> route.
>
> I am particularly interested in anyone using JPilot as I perfer not to
> boot to windoze if at all possible.
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Carson R. Wilcox
> Senior Architect
> DMR Consulting Group
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
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From: blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ..
Subject: Re: SuSe 6.1 questions
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 19:52:49 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> Two questions. I have a self-built machine with Intel Pentium 200 MMX
> and SiS 4MB Video Card.
>
> I have two questions.
>
> I have successfully installed the Linux OS. I have a 13 GB disk and
> created a Linux native FileSystem with 5 GB. There is a swap partition
> with 128MB which I think is enough for my use (with 64MB memory).
>
> Is it possible to install FreeBSD in the rest of the space and still use
> LILO to load FreeBSD?
>
Yes. Read the FreeBSD-Linux How To at the www.freebsd.org
> Also, what should be the monitor type that I should select for IBM
> monitor 7029. I bought it a few years back (15" monitor), but when I
> use XFree86, not all colors are visible and the K desktop does not
> display some icons and text at all. Without the graphics mode, the
> displiay seems fine.
>
Don't expect you can see beautiful colour with a 4 MB video card. ;-)
And probably KDE needs at least 8MB of Video RAM to show everything at a
very low colour depth and resolution.
> Thanks
>
> Regards
>
> Venkat
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
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