Linux-Misc Digest #329, Volume #25 Thu, 3 Aug 00 13:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (Jay Maynard)
Re: Good alternative to outlook. (Steve Lamb)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (Phillip Lord)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (Phillip Lord)
Slackware7 and vmlinux (John Roberts)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (Jay Maynard)
Inicio de Linux ("vicent")
Re: 6805 assembler (Bob Hauck)
amd very slow during boot (Ken Knecht)
Re: Slackware7 and vmlinux (Akira Yamanita)
Question of dialup under linux (Hui Ji)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (Phillip Lord)
rsh and password (Peter Nobels)
How to get system libraries versions ? (Michael Ivanov)
paging scripts and other Qs (jtoy)
Re: Windows too big... (Shawn Smith)
Re: rsh and password (brian moore)
the GNU philosophy (was: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.) (Jonathan
Thornburg)
Re: Lucent on Compaq Presario 12xx (Rod Smith)
RE: Inicio de Linux ("Miguel Mart�nez")
Lockd fails at bootup ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: rsh and password ("Andrew N. McGuire ")
Re: Getting Redhat on 12 MB ("Katrin und Bjoern Briel")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jay Maynard)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: 3 Aug 2000 14:34:51 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 03 Aug 2000 15:21:37 +0200, Bernd Paysan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>We are now in a society that allows proprietary software. For our all
>freedom, this is no good. The FSF wants to get to a more free society,
>where there is no proprietary software anymore. They do so by using
>copyright to protect their software from being "enslaved" again.
In the process, they want to destroy the concept that I'm entitled to
benefit from my own labor. This is the exact antithesis of freedom, and
calling it freedom is just plain offensive.
> Some of
>the BSD whiners tell us that making derivatives proprietary isn't
>"enslaving" the original software, which is still free. This is like
>saying (in the south states, 150 years ago): "If you give your niggers
>(TIC!) freedom, ok, but if they can't sell their childs as slaves, they
>aren't really free".
I take particular offense at this, as I consider myself a Southerner. Once
again, you ignore basic facts and human rights, just as with your leftist
gun-grabbing position: selling your children into slavery harms them, but
the original software is now, and will forever be, free, NO MATTER WHAT
ANYONE ELSE DOES WITH IT. You seek to deny me the right to control my own
work merely because it is an improvement on your work. This is not freedom.
It is communism.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Lamb)
Subject: Re: Good alternative to outlook.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 15:04:20 GMT
On 3 Aug 2000 08:05:26 GMT, Kevin Meegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Is there a mail tool, commercial or non-comercial
>which I can deal with outlook task or meeting messages
>with IMAP for linux? I am trying to finally disgard
>my NT4 partition, but this is the only thing that I
>currently cannot use linux for.
Nothing at present.
--
Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your
ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls.
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From: Phillip Lord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: 03 Aug 2000 16:04:43 +0100
>>>>> "Bernd" == Bernd Paysan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Bernd> Johan Kullstam wrote:
>> this always happens. many people say that the united states of
>> america is a free country yet there are many things which are
>> illegal. free doesn't necessarily mean anarchy.
Bernd> In fact, anarchy often means the contrary of freedom. You may
Bernd> do what you want, but in fact, you are at war with your
Bernd> neighbours
I think that the term anarchy is widely misused. It means
lack of government, which personally I do not necessarily equate with
absence of law. Many societies have a rule base, and often a fairly
rigid one, but have no legislature.
Bernd> Hard drugs such as heroine or cocaine make people unable to
Bernd> earn their live for themselves, and therefore creates thiefs
Bernd> and prostitutes
So does the absence of social housing, but no one takes the
government to court.
Bernd> (although being illegal is one of the main causes that these
Bernd> drugs are so expensive and have such an impact).
As you say drugs laws are largely self fulfilling prophecies.
Bernd> Some of the BSD whiners tell us that making derivatives
Bernd> proprietary isn't "enslaving" the original software, which is
Bernd> still free.
Now that one is definitely going to get you flamed from
several sources...
Phil
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From: Phillip Lord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: 03 Aug 2000 16:09:33 +0100
>>>>> "Jay" == Jay Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Jay> This is the exact antithesis of freedom, and calling it freedom
Jay> is just plain offensive.
[...]
Jay> You seek to deny me the right to control my own work merely
Jay> because it is an improvement on your work. This is not freedom.
Jay> It is communism.
Jay my ol' mucker.
Seeing as you insist that only you are able to define the word
"free" and that anyone who uses it in a way that you do not like is
being "plain offensive", I think I shall return the compliment and
mention that you are displaying again a complete lack of understanding
of the word "communism". Can you please stop using it, until you
understand what it means (that is until you use it as I understand and
define it).
Cheers
Phil
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From: John Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Slackware7 and vmlinux
Date: 3 Aug 2000 15:15:44 GMT
I got the boot manager problem sorted out. ( I am using power boot) and
now I have a question about vmlinux. All of the books I have read on
Linux state to look in /boot for the file vmlinux. Slackware doe not seem
to have it there. In /usr/src/linux there is a file called vmlinux. In
the root directory there is a file called xmlinuz that is not executable.
I copied vmlinux from /usr/src/linux to /boot just for grins and nothing
seemed differant. Linux still boots. However, when I uname -a I get a
kernal built last month. The one in /usr/src/linux was built last night.
So... what's the question? Which vmlinux does slackware use? And how do i
get the most recent build to work? I did do a make dep, make clean, make
bzImage on last nights build.
The file /boot contains the following;
system.map
boot.1601
boot.b
chain.b
config
map
John Roberts
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jay Maynard)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: 3 Aug 2000 15:21:11 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 03 Aug 2000 16:09:33 +0100, Phillip Lord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Seeing as you insist that only you are able to define the word
>"free" and that anyone who uses it in a way that you do not like is
>being "plain offensive", I think I shall return the compliment and
>mention that you are displaying again a complete lack of understanding
>of the word "communism".
Okkay, where am I going wrong? As I understand it, communism is a system
where one does not have the right to benefit from the fruits of one's own
labors. Instead, all production is pooled, and redistributed to the populace
more or less evenly, perhaps adjusted by individual circumstances. "From
each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs." is, as I
understand it, the defining rule.
This fits RMS's utopia well: programmers are denied the right to be
compensated for their labor, instead being forced to give away their output
in return for some nebulous compensation of unspecified type and value.
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From: "vicent" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Inicio de Linux
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 15:20:05 GMT
Mi problema es el siguiente:
�Como puedo configurar mi SUse para que directamente mepida el login en modo
comando y
no en modo grafico?
Gracias por adelantado.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: 6805 assembler
Reply-To: hauck[at]codem{dot}com
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 15:31:23 GMT
On 1 Aug 2000 17:31:53 GMT, Eric Y. Chang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi. Does anyone know of a good assembler for 6805 Motorola micros?
The ASxxxx assemblers by Alan Bladwin cover that one and several
others (6804, 6809, 6811, 8051, etc). Most docs claim they run on DOS,
but if you get the source they will compile on Linux as well. Further
info can be found at:
http://www.softseek.com/Programming/Assembly_Language/Review_45619_index.html
http://shop-pdp.kent.edu/ashtml/asxxxx.htm
>What I am looking for is something that will assemble already
>existing files from vendors app notes.
I don't know how close ASxxxx is, but it comes with the ASSIST09 and
BUFFALO monitors. There are patches for gcc to make it generate 68hc11
code that is compatible with this assembler.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| Codem Systems, Inc.
-| http://www.codem.com/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ken Knecht)
Subject: amd very slow during boot
Date: 3 Aug 2000 15:40:23 GMT
Running a new Mandrake 7.0 with a mostly unaltered system, I
noticed that during the boot amd takes several minutes. I don't
remember this happening in other distributions (maybe they
didn't use amd?). Anyhow, is there any way to speed this up a
bit? I can live with it but a faster boot would be nice.
I boot daily as the system is in use only a few hours a day.
Ken
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From: Akira Yamanita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Slackware7 and vmlinux
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 15:47:16 GMT
John Roberts wrote:
>
> I got the boot manager problem sorted out. ( I am using power boot) and
> now I have a question about vmlinux. All of the books I have read on
> Linux state to look in /boot for the file vmlinux. Slackware doe not seem
> to have it there. In /usr/src/linux there is a file called vmlinux. In
> the root directory there is a file called xmlinuz that is not executable.
> I copied vmlinux from /usr/src/linux to /boot just for grins and nothing
> seemed differant. Linux still boots. However, when I uname -a I get a
> kernal built last month. The one in /usr/src/linux was built last night.
> So... what's the question? Which vmlinux does slackware use? And how do i
> get the most recent build to work? I did do a make dep, make clean, make
> bzImage on last nights build.
> The file /boot contains the following;
> system.map
> boot.1601
> boot.b
> chain.b
> config
> map
>
> John Roberts
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
I've never used Slackware but vmlinuz is the compressed kernel.
vmlinux will not boot. The new kernel should be
/usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage
Look in /etc/lilo.conf at the "image=" line to see where the
current kernel is.
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From: Hui Ji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Question of dialup under linux
Date: 3 Aug 2000 15:58:40 GMT
Hi, I am a newbie of linux. Now I am using Mandrake 7.1 in my
campaq box. My modem is lucent modem and I tryed to install the
driver and fortunately it works when I use minicom to connect to
my isp. Now I can use telnet under minicom.
The problem is I still couldn't use telnet or ftp under normal
xterm or use netscape to connect to web site. There is always
a error like: no internet connection. Then I tryed to use Kppp
or Gppp, but always got error message like: pppd daemon died
anybody like to help me to solve it?
thx
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From: Phillip Lord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: 03 Aug 2000 17:00:03 +0100
>>>>> "Jay" == Jay Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Jay> On 03 Aug 2000 16:09:33 +0100, Phillip Lord
Jay> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Seeing as you insist that only you are able to define the word
>> "free" and that anyone who uses it in a way that you do not like
>> is being "plain offensive", I think I shall return the compliment
>> and mention that you are displaying again a complete lack of
>> understanding of the word "communism".
Jay> Okkay, where am I going wrong? As I understand it, communism is
Jay> a system where one does not have the right to benefit from the
Jay> fruits of one's own labors.
Interesting.
The entire point of communism is that one should have the
ability to benefit from the fruits of one's labour, rather than in
capitalist state where the ruling class gain the benefit from the
fruits of their employees work. Indeed Marx's definition of ruling
class was fairly much along the lines of those who own the means of
production and benefit from the fruits of production, as opposed to
working class as those who are the means of production and do not
benefit from it.
So you have it backwards. Just like GPL proponents and "free"
eh?
Cheers
Phil
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Nobels)
Subject: rsh and password
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 16:01:23 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi,
does rsh send a password over the network?
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Subject: How to get system libraries versions ?
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 20:04:09 +0400
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From: jtoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.shell,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking,linux.redhat.misc,alt.os.linux.caldera,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: paging scripts and other Qs
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 12:18:51 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I was wondering if someone could give me an example of a bash script (or
somethig similar) that would page (via modem of course) me when
something goes wrong. Excuse my ignorance, but I know very little about
stuff like AT& ATD and all those other short ascii codes.
Another question Offtopic,
I have built my own small network of primarily 486s with OpenBSD,
FreeBSD and Linux(Any other suggestions for good free OSes?). I have
made my own apache website, DNS with BIND, SMB data server, and sendmail
email server. I am building this stuff for knowledge and practice, but
I am running out of good ideas to keep building these machines. I only
want to build 486s (cheap, I bought a 486 50 mhz 16 mb ram, 503 mb hd
with monitor for $50) that have an actual use. I don't want to build a
server that doesn't do something that I won't actually use, only
servers that I can actually get work done on. For example, would having
a usenet server on a 486 be ok? Also, good you give me your ideas on
how to balance services on the servers(i.e. usenet and sendmail on 1
server, SMB and NCP on another). Thanks for your help!
--
Jason Toy
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://toy.eyep.net
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Shawn Smith)
Subject: Re: Windows too big...
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 16:17:29 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 03 Aug 2000 05:36:24 GMT, "Hiawatha Bray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>I'm using Gnome and Enlightenment, and a 15-inch monitor. Some of my
>windows don't fit on the screen. They spill over. But it's not one of
>those virtual screen deals...I can't scroll down past the bottom of the
>screen to get to the rest of the window. How can I set it so all my windows
>are sized to fit inside my monitor? Thanks.
>
>
Execute your programs that are too large with the geometry flag.
-geometry =WxH+X+Y #to position and size the window.
All the best,
Shawn Smith !UNT Proud!
My Resume http://sites.netscape.net/shawnspad/shawn_smith_resume.htm
My freeware: http://sites.netscape.net/shawnspad
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: rsh and password
Date: 3 Aug 2000 16:23:33 GMT
On Thu, 03 Aug 2000 16:01:23 GMT,
Peter Nobels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> does rsh send a password over the network?
In the clear?
Run tcpdump or some other sniffer and watch. (Alas, I can't, since it
seems rsh exploded or something here, leaving just a pile of 1's and 0's
behind... hint: don't use rsh.)
--
Brian Moore | Of course vi is God's editor.
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | If He used Emacs, He'd still be waiting
Usenet Vandal | for it to load on the seventh day.
Netscum, Bane of Elves.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jonathan Thornburg)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: the GNU philosophy (was: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.)
Date: 3 Aug 2000 18:24:15 +0200
[[I've changed the subject line to something at least vaguely approximating
the matters under discussion.]]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jay Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[[referring to his misunderstanding of communism]]
>This fits RMS's utopia well: programmers are denied the right to be
>compensated for their labor, instead being forced to give away their output
>in return for some nebulous compensation of unspecified type and value.
You clearly aren't very familiar with RMS's opinions. I've read a fair
number of his public statements, and so far as I know he's never _never_
advocated programmers being "forced to give away their output". Instead,
he and the GNU project have always campaigned for licenses which deal
what happens _if_ you _choose_ to distribute software you wrote. They've
always advocated leaving that choice (whether or not to distribute) up to
you, the software author.
Indeed, RMS and the GNU project have consistently criticised other
"open source" software licenses which would _force_ software to be
provided to others. For example, see
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/plan-nine.html , written by one
Richard Stallman, which specifically criticizes the Plan 9 license
for _forcing_ modified versions of Plan 9 to be given back to the Plan 9
authors.
--
-- Jonathan Thornburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
http://www.thp.univie.ac.at/~jthorn/home.html
Universitaet Wien (Vienna, Austria) / Institut fuer Theoretische Physik
Q: Only 5 countries have the death penalty for children. Which are they?
A: Iran, Nigeria, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, United States
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Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith)
Subject: Re: Lucent on Compaq Presario 12xx
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.portable
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 16:31:24 GMT
[Posted and mailed]
In article <8m9l62$7cg$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Fred Nastos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Has anyone got the lucent modem on a Compaq Presario 12xx (I don't
> remember what the exact series was) working? I heard a rumor that
> some of these modems worked with the linmodem driver.
Yes. I've got some discussion of this on my web page:
http://www.rodsbooks.com/presario/
Summary: It works with the Red Hat 2.2.12 kernel for which it was
compiled, and at least some others in the 2.2.x series. It does NOT work
with the 2.3.x kernels I tried. What's not on the web page (because I've
not yet updated it with this information) is that my system's locked up
once or twice when using the driver.
--
Rod Smith, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux & multi-OS configuration
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From: "Miguel Mart�nez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Inicio de Linux
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 16:41:37 GMT
vicent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribi� en el mensaje de noticias
F4gi5.284$[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Mi problema es el siguiente:
>
> �Como puedo configurar mi SUse para que directamente mepida el login en
modo
> comando y
> no en modo grafico?
>
> Gracias por adelantado.
>
>
Vete a /etc/rc.d/ Ah� mira en rc.local y dem�s archivos (son los de
inicializaci�n del sistema). En alguno de ellos debe haber una l�nea que
ejecute "xdm" o "gdm" o algo parecido (ese es el "arranque gr�fico").
Qu�talo (o ponle una # delante) y ya est�. Espero que te sirva (lo de
/etc/rc.d/ es para RedHat, as� que me imagino que en Suse ser� igual).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Lockd fails at bootup
Date: 3 Aug 2000 09:42:16 PST
I have RH 6.2. It started with lockd stalling before successfully
starting. Now it 'fails' on boot.
First, what exactly does lockd do and what is the best approach
to fixing the problem. Thanks.
--
Neil
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From: "Andrew N. McGuire " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: rsh and password
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:00:43 -0500
On 3 Aug 2000, brian moore quoth:
$$ On Thu, 03 Aug 2000 16:01:23 GMT,
$$ Peter Nobels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
$$ > Hi,
$$ >
$$ > does rsh send a password over the network?
$$
$$ In the clear?
$$
$$ Run tcpdump or some other sniffer and watch. (Alas, I can't, since it
$$ seems rsh exploded or something here, leaving just a pile of 1's and 0's
$$ behind... hint: don't use rsh.)
To expound on that, use ssh, preferably, openssh. The syntax is the
same as it is for rsh, but everything is encrypted. That last statement
is probably over-simplified, but it should suffice. :-)
anm
--
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From: "Katrin und Bjoern Briel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
at.linux,comp.os.linux.embedded,comp.os.linux.hardware,linux.redhat.install,redhat.kernel.general,redhat.networking.general
Subject: Re: Getting Redhat on 12 MB
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 19:03:47 +0200
the fat heffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote...
> HI
> Does anyone know whether its possible to get redhat on to a 12mb disk
> I have heard you can recompile the kernal or something
> Thanks
>
>
Hi,
to my experience, it's much harder to get a standard distribution small than
to start from scratch an put in the progs that are really needed.
I personally had good experience with LEM as starting point. Pretty small
(~5 MB),
includes X, but some certain amount of work to do also to get it to your
needs (e.g.
compile a kernel).
regards,
Bj�rn
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