Linux-Misc Digest #329, Volume #26 Fri, 17 Nov 00 11:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: VM: killing process - box freezes (Hal Burgiss)
Re: SAMBA/Netatalk clustering/high availability (Dustin Puryear)
Re: Responsiveness under X (John English)
Re: v4l & xawtv & ibmcam problems FIXED! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: How migrating Win-Favorites to Netscape-Bookmarks? ("Chris Ripp")
Re: [Lynx/screen] Loading a File into a Web form Box (Russell Marks)
Re: Boot from floppy very slow (Leonard Evens)
Re: Bloatware (Kevin Croxen)
?start and stop logrotate (smilemonkey)
Re: MP3 decoder-encoder (Adam Foster)
Re: Bloatware (Gregory Spath)
Re: Bloatware (Gregory Spath)
Re: Boot from floppy very slow (Hugh Lawson)
Re: LinkSys betrayed us! Poor prospects for Linux. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hal Burgiss)
Subject: Re: VM: killing process - box freezes
Reply-To: Hal Burgiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 14:18:19 GMT
On Fri, 17 Nov 2000 12:12:29 -0000, Dorothea M�cke-Herzberg
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hello,
>
>I have now twice experienced the problem that my SuSE 7.0 box
>freezes completely. X is down, screen black, no telnet.
>A look in /var/log/messages shows the following:
>
>Nov 15 00:00:10 ssc kernel: VM: killing process Xvnc
[...]
d>
>Can somebody tell me
>a) What is VM?
Virtual Memory. You ran out of it.
>b) Why does it kill the processes?
Memory got exhausted, and some process was requesting more. Maybe you
have something with a memory leak (which keeps using memory, but never
releases it back to Linux).
>There is nothing suspicious going on in the middle of the night, noone's
>working on it.
There is always something going on, ie cron jobs, etc. Isn't midnight
when SuSE does its cron.daily thing?
You might try a later kernel. I think they may handle this a little
better. But bottom line is that something has to give in this kind of
situation.
--
Hal B
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dustin Puryear)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: SAMBA/Netatalk clustering/high availability
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 14:25:01 GMT
On Fri, 17 Nov 2000 14:02:32 +0100, Raymond Doetjes
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Define HA is a hot standby server for you HA which does a failover in 2 of
>3 minutes???
>The use failoverd, to me failover is that when a server dies all process
>keep running without any downtime just line a NFS server on TruCluster
>from DIGITAL. In that case no there isn't.
Yes, please define "high availability" for your purposes.
Regards, Dustin
--
Dustin Puryear <$email = "dpuryear"."@usa.net";>
Integrate Linux Solutions into Your Windows Network
- http://www.prima-tech.com/integrate-linux
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From: John English <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Responsiveness under X
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 13:50:00 +0000
Dances With Crows wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Nov 2000 12:14:01 +0000, John English wrote:
> >On my system (PIII 450MHz, 512M RAM, Red Hat 6.2), when I run
> >something CPU-intensive like gzipping a couple of hundred megs,
> >the responsiveness goes way down -- the response to pressing a
> >key or clicking the mouse on a menu takes a couple of seconds.
> >Looking at what's happening, I see gzip is using about 96% of
> >the processor time, everything's in memory and there's no swapping.
> >
> >Can anyone suggest how I can fix this? I would have expected that
> >X would be handling incoming interrupts at a fairly high priority
> >since the X server is presumably I/O bound, but it doesn't seem
> >to be happening!
>
> If you check with ps or top, you'll most likely find that X is running
> at priority 0, same as most normal processes.[0] This is deliberate.
> Unix is a multi-user system, so one process cannot hog the entire
> machine, but the scheduler tries to distribute process time evenly.
> Trouble is, yanking the mouse around and moving/updating windows tends
> to be a "bursty" operation, where X needs the processor a lot for one
> timeslice and hardly at all for the next N timeslices.
Yup -- but since it's bursty, how come it has so much trouble taking
over from long-running CPU-bound jobs? I would have thought that the
scheduler would give priority to restarting an idle job over one that's
been busy using its timeslices to the full... I don't know what the
scheduling algorithm is on Linux, but I thought that most systems work
by gradually dropping the priority of compute-bound jobs or raising the
instantaneous priority of idle jobs that suddenly wake up?
> I'd take the aforementioned priority level and try to use it to your
> advantage. It *is* possible to run X at priority -10, giving greater
> responsiveness in all cases, but don't do that if there are other users
> on your machine! A better option would be to run your big
> compute-intensive jobs at priority +10. gcc, by default, does compiles
> at low priority so that interactive jobs don't get hosed.
Hmm. It seems that just about anything can cause this problem if enough
data is involved; generating a big tar file, copying or removing a
directory tree containing several megabytes. It doesn't seem to be a
disk bottleneck OTOH (I've just upgraded my disk and it's still the
same).
But, it really makes X feel a lot like Windows (you know, the way the
whole "multitasking" edifice freezes when you do something radical like
copy a 1M file to a floppy?).
> [0] This isn't entirely true, as X dynamically manipulates the
> priorities of local X apps to improve performance. A sysadmin friend of
> mine said it best: "X does things to your processes that you really
> don't want to know about."
How true... ;-)
Thanks,
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John English | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Senior Lecturer | http://www.it.bton.ac.uk/staff/je
Dept. of Computing | ** NON-PROFIT CD FOR CS STUDENTS **
University of Brighton | -- see http://burks.bton.ac.uk
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: v4l & xawtv & ibmcam problems FIXED!
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 14:38:29 GMT
I finally got my camera working under Linux. I had to switch from the
usb-uhci module to the uhci module. I have no idea what the
differences are, but I am getting video from my camera. Now I need to
figure out why the frame rate is so crappy. I'm getting approximately
5 fps (under Win98 it is much higher although I don't know the exact
fps number). Any ideas on improving performance?
Steve
In article <8usqjf$4uq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I've been struggling with a cheapo camera that was given to me a
couple
> of days ago. I dual boot between Win98 and RH 7. I got the camera up
> an running in Windows in a matter of minutes. Works great.
>
> My Linux installation is another matter... And I need some help.
>
> I downloaded the xawtv package and built and installed it with no
> problems. Well, one problem- it doesn't work.
>
> /dev/video does exist and does link to /dev/video0. When I run xawtv
> the ibmcam and videodev modules load up. /proc/bus/usb/devices shows
> the camera. So I think I have the drivers and USB system set up
> properly.
>
> When I run 'xawtv -v 2' I get the following output:
>
> This is xawtv-3.23, running on Linux/i686 (2.2.16-22)
> visual: id=0x23 class=4 (TrueColor), depth=16
> visual: id=0x24 class=4 (TrueColor), depth=16
> x11 socket: me=localhost, server=localhost
> DGA version 2.0
> Xv: 0 adaptors available.
> Xv: no usable video port found
> Xv: no usable hw scaler port found
> x11: color depth: 16 bits, 2 bytes - pixmap: 2 bytes
> x11: color masks: red=0x0000f800 green=0x000007e0 blue=0x0000001f
> x11: server byte order: little endian
> x11: client byte order: little endian
> x11: 1024x768, 16 bit/pixel, 2048 byte/scanline, DGA
> init: trying: v4l2...
> v4l-conf: using X11 display :0
> dga: version 2.0
> mode: 1024x768, depth=16, bpp=16, bpl=2048, base=0xd6000000
> /dev/video: no overlay support
> got sigchild
> waitpid: No child processes
> v4l-conf had some trouble, trying to continue anyway
> init: failed: v4l2
> init: trying: v4l...
> v4l-conf: using X11 display :0
> dga: version 2.0
> mode: 1024x768, depth=16, bpp=16, bpl=2048, base=0xd6000000
> /dev/video: no overlay support
>
> The 'no overlay support' and Xv messages have me a little worried.
Any
> advice? It works once for a while (but the video is very choppy on my
> 800 MHz Athlon with 16 MB TNT card). The second time it does not work
> and I have to reboot to get the light on the card to shut off.
>
> Please help!
> Steve
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
>
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Before you buy.
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From: "Chris Ripp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How migrating Win-Favorites to Netscape-Bookmarks?
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 07:59:25 -0600
There are a few capable programs for windows out there to get you
started....
go to someplace like winfiles.com and search for 'bookmark converter' or
'favorites converter' or something similar. You'll find one eventually.
You'll want to do this in Windows, and you should end up with a
'bookmarks.htm' file which you can then use in NS.
"Dragan Colak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hi group,
>
> how can I migrate the Favorites of my previous
> Win-Install to Bookmarks in my newly installed
> Linux?
> Is there a tool or a script, or do I have to do
> it the hard way?
> Thanks in advance
>
> Dragan
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Subject: Re: [Lynx/screen] Loading a File into a Web form Box
From: Russell Marks <russell.marks@spam^H^H^H^Hntlworld.com>
Date: 17 Nov 2000 14:50:44 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Bacalle) wrote:
> How can I load a large amount of text into a Web form entry box when
> using Lynx? In Netscape I can of course cut and paste, but I need to do
> this from the console. Screen allows cut and paste from the console, but
> it won't allow me to copy more than one console-screen's worth. The man
FWIW, you can copy more (unless you use a very big console :-)) - try
scrolling off the top of the screen when copying. I think the default
scrollback buffer is 100 lines.
> page mentions how to paste the whole buffer, which I take to mean a
> whole file, but I haven't had success getting that to work. I either
The basic way to paste a file seems to be given under the
documentation for `bufferfile' in the man page:
C-a : bufferfile /etc/passwd
C-a < C-a ]
C-a : bufferfile
I managed to paste a 32k file into `cat >foo' that way, so it seems to
work (though screen's display got a bit confused, the file was ok).
But when pasting into lynx *be careful* not to post too many lines, or
it'll get horribly confused, treating the extraneous text as commands.
This may seem obvious, but it caught me out when I tested it. :-)
-Rus.
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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: Boot from floppy very slow
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 08:48:45 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I recently did this and now start Linux by
> booting from a floppy. The problem is that
> startup is very slow - takes about 10 minutes on
> a Celeron 633 with 64 MB memory. Is this normal,
> and is there any way to speed this up?
>
> Thanks,
> Jeff
>
> In article <5uVP5.273$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Dusty Dew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Yes you can install it past the 1024th
> cylinder, just make sure you make a
> > boot floppy.
> >
> > ~Dusty
>
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> Before you buy.
Are you booting from a floppy made by mkbootdisk (which is what
makes it during installation)? Also, does it take a very long time
to start spitting out dots and do they come very slowly? I've
noticed this phenomenon on some machines, and I think it has something
to do with the BIOS call to read from the floppy. It does not
seem specific to LInux.
But I've found two ways to speed up booting from a floppy. First,
you can put the lilo boot loader on a floppy by just changing the
first line of lilo.conf to
boot=/dev/fd0
Then you get your kernel from the hard disk. (You would probably
want to make a separate configuration file for this purpose and
run lilo with the -C option.)
Another method is to use
dd if=your_kernel of=/dev/fd0 bs=1440K
and then use
rdev /dev/fd0 your_root_partition
This copies the kernel to the floppy and tells it what root partition
to use.
Either of these methods works reasonably fast.
--
Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kevin Croxen)
Subject: Re: Bloatware
Date: 17 Nov 2000 14:30:26 GMT
In article <8v25ji$vj4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, William Clifford wrote:
>On Thu, 16 Nov 2000 22:52:52 +0000,
>>I purchased a Linux distro just as I did with Windows 9x. Windows came with
>>an GUI, a limited console, basic networking, a few multimedia apps, basic
>>text editors and an Internet Explorer, a total of about 200-250MB's. Just
>>enough to get going, but not much else. My Linux distro, SuSE 6.4 came with
>>over 1500 apps, 6CD's which comes to a rather impressive 4-5GB's. Where
>>does the Linux newbie start with this bewildering array of apps? After a
>>bit of experience, and a few re-installs I've now got it down to a Linux
>>console (100-200MBs), X-Windows Server (50-100MBs), a few windows managers,
>>KDE 2 and Gnome (ok I know I just need the QT and GTK+ toolkits but I'm
>>trying to just make sure I'll just get the apps working) a couple of hundred
>>more MB's, networking apps, source code for the kernel so I can recompile, a
>>compiler and libraries for compiling (SuSE says 450MB's!) which lets face
>>it, Linux would be useless without and finally the day to day apps and games
>>which in fairness should not be counted (1GB). These I consider the basics
>>of my Linux system just to run. A basic Linux set-up weighs in at 1-2GB's,
>>which is sizably larger than the 250MB's of Windows. Yes I know you get so
>>much more, but I'm referring to a basic running system on which you can
>>install further apps. Since a distro is the only feasible way of a newbie
>>getting Linux does this not make the Linux OS Bloatware?
>
>Last night I did a basic install of Debian at a friends house. I didn't
>change or add anything from the first list that came up in dselect and it
>was less than 150 MB. In fairness this is a pretty bare bones installation
>(but no means the barest bones installation possible). After adding all
>the neat stuff we want to it I expect it to come up to about 750MB to 1G.
>This is about how much I've installed here on this machine. This is about
>as much software as I had installed while I was running windows. But then
>I'm not running a big office suite right now either.
>
>--
>William Clifford
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>http://wobh.home.mindspring.com
>90% Bullshit Free! Guaranteed!
Suse, frankly, is the premier "everything except the kitchen sink" distro.
While it can be trimmed down to be as svelte as just about any of the
others, it certainly is not designed to be so by default. And it takes
some pretty ruthless, knowledgeable, and time-consuming package selection
in YaST to get it trimmed down, because YaST is not terribly helpful when
what you want is less, not more. Once the original poster feels more
comfortable with Linux in general, he'll be able to begin ditching stuff
he doesn't need from his installation. Or if not, he may decide to switch
to one of the much leaner distros like Debian, Slack, Peanut, or what have
you, take the absolute minimum install, and then gradually add what he
comes to need later. Plus he may eventually find it a relief with another
distro not to have an all-embracing, constantly in-your-face type of
configuration tool like YaST. It's powerful, but it doesn't do everything
well and after a while it starts getting in the way.
The original poster doesn't understand yet the level to which he's
been empowered to make his own choices, so he's tempted to just throw his
hands up in the air and say "bloatware". But eventually he'll get it, if
he sticks to it.
My $.02
--Kevin
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From: smilemonkey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ?start and stop logrotate
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 14:55:03 GMT
Hi All!
I really appreciate if someone can tell me how to start and stop a
logrotate job. I am kind of confused and find nothing in
www.linuxdoc.org.
To start a logrotate, which files should I modify? Is there any
difference between the /etc/logrotate.conf and thoses file under
/etc/logrotate.d? Do I need to create any directores?
And, how to stop a logrotate? Do I need to remove any thing?
Thanks!
Sam
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Adam Foster)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: MP3 decoder-encoder
Date: 17 Nov 2000 15:03:17 GMT
In article <8up67k$mf7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Derek Jolly wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Pritchard), in message
><8s1j30$on$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, wrote
>>I used abcde (A Better Cd Encoder) which unfortunately is command line.
>I'm using bladeenc personally. I've written a little shell script that
>enables me to create a file called tracklist in a directory containing
>each of the track names on the CD. Passing the directory to the script
>then goes off and runs cdda2wav and bladeenc on each of the tracks on
>the CD naming them as trackname.mp3, where trackname is the relevant
>entry in the tracklist file.
Bladeenc? Use 'lame' instead - it's a lot faster (at high-quality, it
encodes faster than real-time on my K6-2 450), it's just as free, it
produces much higher quality MP3s (approaching those produced by the
Fraunhofer encoder, apparently), and new versions have support for the
potential MP3 replacement, Ogg Vorbis.
Go on, you know you want to. :-)
I can't remember the URL for it, but try typing 'lame' into Google. It'll
probably find it...
Adam Foster
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Adam Foster - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gregory Spath)
Subject: Re: Bloatware
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 15:33:15 -0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It's getting better. I noticed that in the latest Mandrake install, if
you choose "workstation" many of the services do not start by default.
I haven't installed RedHat as a workstation yet, but when you do its
server install, it is still WIDE OPEN.
I still believe that NO services should be run by default. If somebody
needs a service running, they should know how to enable it IMHO.
This would certainly solve a lot of problems.
--g
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Andreas K�h�ri ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>In article <8v1o6v$8fo$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tim Banner wrote:
>[cut]
>>OK my next concern is what I found my Linux box running. It took me by
>>surprise to see that (back in my less experienced days) my Linux box at home
>>was acting as a web server, ftp server and telnet server. I have yet to
>>find out what other interesting services I'm offering the web. I didn't
>>remember setting these services up or asking them to run. I may have asked
>>to install the files to run at a later date. It seems that I need to find a
>>port scanner to find out what ports are open and offering services on a home
>>workstation. The only worry I remember having with my Windows box was
>>ensuring that I didn't have file and print sharing enabled on the dial-up.
>>How many Red-Hat/SuSE/Linux users out there are unknowingly offering an
>>array of interesting services to the internet? Is this not Bloatware?
>[cut]
>
>This is a real concern.
>
>Newbies really don't know what services might provide crackers with
>doors into their systems, or they don't even know that it is possible
>to crack a GNU/Linux system with a default install, or what a
>"cracker" is.
>
>It'll take a good deal of work and time before the post-newbie knows
>how to deny external access via rsh, telnet and other sensitive
>services and how to read the security documentation and install the
>latest updates. It may take even longer time before he/she understands
>*why* closing these services is a good thing, and why "system
>administrator" is a real money-making job for many people.
>
>Here, in Sweden, there is currently an explosion in the number of
>people who have broadband (sp?) access to the internet. There's going
>to be more and more GNU/Linux (and Windows and other) system connected
>to the net for longer and longer periods of time. Installing a
>GNU/Linux system that comes with "everything by default" will
>definitely help you getting new and nasty friends.
>
>
>Please also read "Clueless users are bad for debian" at
><URL:http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-9903/msg02288.html> (I fully
>agree with the author of the article).
>
>
>/A
>
>--
>Andreas K�h�ri, Uppsala University, Sweden (until 1:st of Dec. 2000)
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>"If you leave now, you're going to miss the real experience."
>-- Richard M. Stallman, Stockholm 1986. Visit www.gnu.org
--
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gregory Spath)
Subject: Re: Bloatware
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 15:37:36 -0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I just did a standard RedHat 7.0 server install with apache and dns
options selected. It took only about 450 MB. Not too bad, but not ideal.
I can probably loose a couple hundred MB more when I go back in tonight
and get rid of what I don't need.
I agree these distros are getting pretty fat. Mandrake is another
bloated distro.
-- Greg
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Kevin Croxen
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>In article <8v25ji$vj4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, William Clifford wrote:
>>On Thu, 16 Nov 2000 22:52:52 +0000,
>>>I purchased a Linux distro just as I did with Windows 9x. Windows came with
>>>an GUI, a limited console, basic networking, a few multimedia apps, basic
>>>text editors and an Internet Explorer, a total of about 200-250MB's. Just
>>>enough to get going, but not much else. My Linux distro, SuSE 6.4 came with
>>>over 1500 apps, 6CD's which comes to a rather impressive 4-5GB's. Where
>>>does the Linux newbie start with this bewildering array of apps? After a
>>>bit of experience, and a few re-installs I've now got it down to a Linux
>>>console (100-200MBs), X-Windows Server (50-100MBs), a few windows managers,
>>>KDE 2 and Gnome (ok I know I just need the QT and GTK+ toolkits but I'm
>>>trying to just make sure I'll just get the apps working) a couple of hundred
>>>more MB's, networking apps, source code for the kernel so I can recompile, a
>>>compiler and libraries for compiling (SuSE says 450MB's!) which lets face
>>>it, Linux would be useless without and finally the day to day apps and games
>>>which in fairness should not be counted (1GB). These I consider the basics
>>>of my Linux system just to run. A basic Linux set-up weighs in at 1-2GB's,
>>>which is sizably larger than the 250MB's of Windows. Yes I know you get so
>>>much more, but I'm referring to a basic running system on which you can
>>>install further apps. Since a distro is the only feasible way of a newbie
>>>getting Linux does this not make the Linux OS Bloatware?
>>
>>Last night I did a basic install of Debian at a friends house. I didn't
>>change or add anything from the first list that came up in dselect and it
>>was less than 150 MB. In fairness this is a pretty bare bones installation
>>(but no means the barest bones installation possible). After adding all
>>the neat stuff we want to it I expect it to come up to about 750MB to 1G.
>>This is about how much I've installed here on this machine. This is about
>>as much software as I had installed while I was running windows. But then
>>I'm not running a big office suite right now either.
>>
>>--
>>William Clifford
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>http://wobh.home.mindspring.com
>>90% Bullshit Free! Guaranteed!
>
>Suse, frankly, is the premier "everything except the kitchen sink" distro.
>While it can be trimmed down to be as svelte as just about any of the
>others, it certainly is not designed to be so by default. And it takes
>some pretty ruthless, knowledgeable, and time-consuming package selection
>in YaST to get it trimmed down, because YaST is not terribly helpful when
>what you want is less, not more. Once the original poster feels more
>comfortable with Linux in general, he'll be able to begin ditching stuff
>he doesn't need from his installation. Or if not, he may decide to switch
>to one of the much leaner distros like Debian, Slack, Peanut, or what have
>you, take the absolute minimum install, and then gradually add what he
>comes to need later. Plus he may eventually find it a relief with another
>distro not to have an all-embracing, constantly in-your-face type of
>configuration tool like YaST. It's powerful, but it doesn't do everything
>well and after a while it starts getting in the way.
>
>The original poster doesn't understand yet the level to which he's
>been empowered to make his own choices, so he's tempted to just throw his
>hands up in the air and say "bloatware". But eventually he'll get it, if
>he sticks to it.
>
>My $.02
>
>--Kevin
--
Gregory Spath
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://freefall.homeip.net/
SCHeckler on IRC ----------> http://freefall.homeip.net/javairc/
Team YBR ------------------> http://www.yellowbreechesracing.org/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hugh Lawson)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: Boot from floppy very slow
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 15:34:34 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Leonard Evens wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> I recently did this and now start Linux by
>> booting from a floppy. The problem is that
>> startup is very slow - takes about 10 minutes on
>> a Celeron 633 with 64 MB memory. Is this normal,
>> and is there any way to speed this up?
There are at least three different ways to boot from a floppy, maybe more.
1. Have lilo install the boot loader on the boot sector of a
floppy. The bootloader finds the the kernel on the hard drive (as I have
it set up) and boots this kernel.
2. Use 'dd' to copy the kernel (correctly configured with the 'rdev'
command) to a floppy. Not so fast, but it doesn't take anything near 10
minutes. The computer boot process starts the kernel, which copies itself
into memory, and then starts the Linux boot process.
3. Use 'mkboot <path-to-kernel>', if you have this command. This copies
the kernel to the floppy, and puts in the boot sector of the floppy the
boot loader, configured to boot the kernel placed on the floppy. Fast.
If your computer takes 10 minutes to boot linux, this is abnormal. Here
is my *guess* as to what's wrong. When Linux boots it tries to start up
lots of services. This is what causes most of those text messages to the
screen. I'd bet that Linux is trying to start something that is
improperly configured, or that it can't find; so it sits there until a
time-out period has passed, stops trying to start this particular
service, and goes on the next program it wants to start. My guess is that
the time-out wait is delaying your boot.
Try this: use the 'dmesg' command--or study '/var/log/messages'--to look
for something like this: "unable to find <some service>". Once you have
found this, some knowledgeable person can probably tell you how to fix it.
--
Hugh Lawson
Greensboro, North Carolina
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: LinkSys betrayed us! Poor prospects for Linux.
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 16:00:21 GMT
In comp.os.linux.hardware Henry_Barta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: But what if it doesn't? At that point, I can ping other hosts
: on the LAN but inbound and outbound TCP connections (ftp and
: telnet) simply hang.
If this is the case, then your card works perfectly. There is a problem
either at your gateway or your network settings ....
--
Jeff Gentry [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"You're one of those condescending UNIX users! ...."
"Here's a nickel kid ... get yourself a real computer."
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