Linux-Misc Digest #337, Volume #25 Fri, 4 Aug 00 04:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Learn Unix on which Unix Flavour ? (Ed Reppert)
Re: Learn Unix on which Unix Flavour ? (Ed Reppert)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (Christopher Browne)
How do I <4dos>ren *.htm *.html</4dos> in bash? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Learn Unix on which Unix Flavour ? (Alan Coopersmith)
Re: How do I <4dos>ren *.htm *.html</4dos> in bash? (brian moore)
Re: changing the cursor from underline to block (ASM code talked about) (B'ichela)
Re: How do I <4dos>ren *.htm *.html</4dos> in bash? (Akira Yamanita)
Re: How do I <4dos>ren *.htm *.html</4dos> in bash? (Dowe Keller)
partitions ("constants")
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (J Bland)
Re: CPAN.pm and mod_perl with Apache (Villy Kruse)
Re: How to get system libraries versions ? (Davide Bianchi)
Re: changing the cursor from underline to block (Villy Kruse)
Re: partitions (Prasanth A. Kumar)
NFS Home directory during Mandrake/RedHat upgrade (Robin Pollard)
Re: Learn Unix on which Unix Flavour ? (Michal Kaspar)
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From: Ed Reppert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.solaris.x86,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Learn Unix on which Unix Flavour ?
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 05:14:34 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Lew Pitcher
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ed Reppert wrote:
> >
> > OS/390 is Unix?! When did that happen?
>
> IIRC, 1998 or so.
[snip]
Ah. After my time. :-) When the US Navy sent me over to England to run
the Royal Navy's Personnel DBMS under OS/390, I was only mildly
surprised to discover things hadn't really changed a whole lot (at
least, not on the OS side) since OS/360 back in the early 70s.
>
> Anyway, IBM markets Apache for OS/390, with (IIRC) enhancements
> rebranded as "WebSphere". Talk about scalability ;-)
Yeah. Sheesh. :-)
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From: Ed Reppert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.solaris.x86,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Learn Unix on which Unix Flavour ?
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 05:16:20 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Grant Edwards) wrote:
> Spending $50,000 on a single computer sounds silly, until you figure out
> how much maintenance you save when that single machine replaces 10 or 20
> others.
Of course, the flip side to that coin is how you handle a hardware
crash. :-)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 05:23:42 GMT
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when blowfish would say:
>Johan Kullstam wrote:
>> if you can't own it, you can't be stealing it right?
>>
>Here goes your twisted logic again...
>
>Okay. A just robbed a bank. Then you go and robbed A, took the money
>that A robbed from the bank.
>
>You didn't robbed the bank directly, but you're in process of the bank's
>money by robbing A.
>
>Does that makes you a lesser criminal??????????????
Money is a construct for which ownership is pretty intrinsic.
Its _essence_ is as an expression of owned value.
Thus, any argument surrounding the notion of things that _cannot be
owned_ cannot be applied to money, at least not without taking _great_
care to form syllogisms to indicate the lack of ownership.
Putting that another way, if A robs a bank, then A has taken some
form of property that is _owned_.
That is completely incompatible with the thesis being explored which
is that that some computer software may be expressly _not ownable_.
[Further down the road lies the thesis that "intellectual property" is an
intellectual _sham_ using the argument that ideas are _not_ property...]
Something that is not owned cannot be "stolen," and thus there can be no
"robbery," and hence the notion of associating criminal action with thus
makes no sense at all. It's not owned, wasn't stolen, and thus there
is no "criminal."
Grump however you like about how "you weren't talking about that,"
but you _were_ responding to the line:
"if you can't own it, you can't be stealing it right?"
Two directions appear _reasonable_ in constructing a coherent debate
to the thesis:
a) You could claim that the notion that "you can't own it" is
nonsense, and that the "can't be stealing part" thus has nothing
to follow.
But you never said anything about that.
b) The alternative is to say "OK, fine, you can't own it. But
that _doesn't_ lead to stealing being impossible."
Instead, you ignored both the initial premise ("can't own it") _and_ the
claimed result ("can't possibly steal it"), and made up some alternative
thesis indicating that this is all just like saying that it's not criminal
to rob banks. That's nonsense.
>> > Wake up. You've just sold yourself for the price of a free beer.
>>
>> i have? what have i done? all i've said is:
>>
>> 1) copyright and patents are mercanitilism. this is by definition.
>> 2) copyright and patents require active and intrusive enforcement by
>> government. this is obvious by observation.
>>
>> do these statements somehow threaten your worldview?
>>
>No. But reality sure busted a lot of rainbow dreams by bubble heads.
Don't blowfish have pretty bubbly heads?
You may _think_ you're arguing well, but it's rather more like Ratbert
wearing an "external brain pack" (aka piece of liver around his waist),
and then debating using lines like "I must be right - this brain pack
has a degree from Harvard."
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - <http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
Rules of the Evil Overlord #158. "I will exchange the labels on my folder
of top-secret plans and my folder of family recipes. Imagine the hero's
surprise when he decodes the stolen plans and finds instructions for
Grandma's Potato Salad." <http://www.eviloverlord.com/>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: How do I <4dos>ren *.htm *.html</4dos> in bash?
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 05:25:17 GMT
Wind*z* having done the dirty on me just one time too many, I am
switching over to Linux. I had been developing a Web site, now several
hundred pages long, all with extension *.htm on my hard disk, but
*.html on the host (likewise the hrefs are to *.html). Having copied
them onto my Linux partition, I cannot figure out how to rename them all
to *.html in one go. I did man mv, apropos rename, etc., I am still
lost and floundering. I would have preferred to work it out myself, but,
being a complete greenhorn, I am really at my wits' end here. Someone
please tell me the solution (if it has to be a shell script, at least
I'll have learnt my first lesson in writing them).
Thank you in advance.
Jacques Guy
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Alan Coopersmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.solaris.x86,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Learn Unix on which Unix Flavour ?
Date: 4 Aug 2000 05:46:12 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grant Edwards) writes in alt.solaris.x86:
|So, is OS/390 (or MVS?) a flavor of Unix(tm), or just Posix-<something>
|compliant?
According to www.unix-systems.org, "OS/390 V2R4 or later with: OS/390
V2R4 or later Security Server and OS/390 V2R4 or later C/C++ Compiler on
IBM System/390 Processors that support OS/390 Version 2 Release 4 or
later" was certified as UNIX 95(tm) compliant. The details are listed
at http://www.opengroup.org/regproducts/xu010.htm
--
________________________________________________________________________
Alan Coopersmith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://soar.Berkeley.EDU/~alanc/ aka: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Working for, but definitely not speaking for, Sun Microsystems, Inc.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: How do I <4dos>ren *.htm *.html</4dos> in bash?
Date: 4 Aug 2000 05:54:13 GMT
On Fri, 04 Aug 2000 05:25:17 GMT,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Wind*z* having done the dirty on me just one time too many, I am
> switching over to Linux. I had been developing a Web site, now several
> hundred pages long, all with extension *.htm on my hard disk, but
> *.html on the host (likewise the hrefs are to *.html). Having copied
> them onto my Linux partition, I cannot figure out how to rename them all
> to *.html in one go. I did man mv, apropos rename, etc., I am still
> lost and floundering. I would have preferred to work it out myself, but,
> being a complete greenhorn, I am really at my wits' end here. Someone
> please tell me the solution (if it has to be a shell script, at least
> I'll have learnt my first lesson in writing them).
Easiest way is a cute little perl script that comes with perl these
days called 'rename':
rename 's/\.htm$/.html/' *
You -could- spell it all out in a perl one-liner or a shell for, but the
above is so much nicer (and handles files with spaces or other odd
things in their name, which most shell scripts will choke on).
--
Brian Moore | Of course vi is God's editor.
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | If He used Emacs, He'd still be waiting
Usenet Vandal | for it to load on the seventh day.
Netscum, Bane of Elves.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (B'ichela)
Subject: Re: changing the cursor from underline to block (ASM code talked about)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 00:58:25 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 03 Aug 2000 19:49:25 -0700, Peter Mitchell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>There is some excellent documentation of the interrupts as
>used by BIOS and DOS in a file called MSDOSREF (.ZIP .ARJ,
>LHA or whatever).
>
>Below is some stuff I have had lying around for a while. It
>is for DOS, though.
Ah! the basics I can play with. I hope I can get these cursors
installed without a CRASH! ;) I will compile them under MSDOS also
as my cursor problem is not only linux related. Just in case I have
two linux kernals. Both are the same but one is fired by loadlin.
Sometimes its just fun to hack (the good kind ;))
My ASM use has never really been used much. However, Compared to C.
ASM is easier for me.
I will look up msdosref via ftpsearch and see what pops up.
Thanks for the files.
--
B'ichela
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From: Akira Yamanita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How do I <4dos>ren *.htm *.html</4dos> in bash?
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 06:17:01 GMT
brian moore wrote:
>
> On Fri, 04 Aug 2000 05:25:17 GMT,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Wind*z* having done the dirty on me just one time too many, I am
> > switching over to Linux. I had been developing a Web site, now several
> > hundred pages long, all with extension *.htm on my hard disk, but
> > *.html on the host (likewise the hrefs are to *.html). Having copied
> > them onto my Linux partition, I cannot figure out how to rename them all
> > to *.html in one go. I did man mv, apropos rename, etc., I am still
> > lost and floundering. I would have preferred to work it out myself, but,
> > being a complete greenhorn, I am really at my wits' end here. Someone
> > please tell me the solution (if it has to be a shell script, at least
> > I'll have learnt my first lesson in writing them).
>
> Easiest way is a cute little perl script that comes with perl these
> days called 'rename':
>
> rename 's/\.htm$/.html/' *
>
> You -could- spell it all out in a perl one-liner or a shell for, but the
> above is so much nicer (and handles files with spaces or other odd
> things in their name, which most shell scripts will choke on).
I don't seem to have that... oh well.
for i in *.htm; do mv -i "$i" "$(echo $i | sed 's/\.htm$/\.html/')";
done
Just a little longer than you what you have there. ;)
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Subject: Re: How do I <4dos>ren *.htm *.html</4dos> in bash?
From: Dowe Keller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 03 Aug 2000 23:25:40 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Wind*z* having done the dirty on me just one time too many, I am
> switching over to Linux. I had been developing a Web site, now several
> hundred pages long, all with extension *.htm on my hard disk, but
> *.html on the host (likewise the hrefs are to *.html). Having copied
> them onto my Linux partition, I cannot figure out how to rename them all
> to *.html in one go. I did man mv, apropos rename, etc., I am still
> lost and floundering. I would have preferred to work it out myself, but,
> being a complete greenhorn, I am really at my wits' end here. Someone
> please tell me the solution (if it has to be a shell script, at least
> I'll have learnt my first lesson in writing them).
That's a pretty common newbie problem. In UNIX the shell expands the globs
rather than passing them to the utility (as in DOS). This means that
mv *.foo *.bar
won't work. However this will:
for x in *.htm
do
mv $x $x"l"
done
I tested it in zsh, and it worked fine but it should work in any bourne or ksh
shell.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sierratel.com/dowe
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From: "constants" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: partitions
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 23:28:11 -0400
Hello
I want to manually set my partitions for an 8.4 gig hard drive using
Linux Mandrake 7.1. Could anybody tell me what partitions need to be made
and the size each should be. I will only have linux on the hard drive. I
know a couple of partitions are /tmp, /usr, /home, /. Are there any I am
forgetting? Thanks in advance.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J Bland)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: 4 Aug 2000 01:32:22 GMT
>--
>- Alex / blowfish.
>--
>- If Vi is God's editor. Then, God must have too much free time on his
>hands,
> lives a very dull and unproductive life; so he needs Vi to waste his
>time.
> But Vi was still too fast. So God created EMACS on the 8th day - which
>takes
> Eight Months to load, And Counting Still...
> KISS rules. That's why I use Easy Edit (ee). Small. Simple and fast.
>:-)
>- The UN-GEEK CODE:(?What is a
>geek?)-#!?+++??++++|$????+++++?????+++!!!!???+++---
> geek + vi | ~/emacs
>==>ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!.......:P~
> newbies + Windoz | C:\LOOKOUT
>EXPRESS==>_the_horrors_the_horrrrrrrroOOOOORRRRRRRRRSSSSsssss!!! :-|
>- My SAS (Sing-A-Song)Fingerprint -v.i007bond: Doe1(-a deer a female
>deer.) RaY2(- a drop of golden sun.)
> Me3(- A name, I call myself.) FAr4(- A long, long way to run.) Sew5(-A
>needle pulling thread.)
> lA6(-A note to follow sew.) TeA7(-A drink with jam and bread.) That
>will bring us back to DOe-oh-oh-oh...
Anybody ever told you your sig is insultingly huge?
Frinky
--
John Bland MPhys(Hons) GradInstP Webmaster and Sys Admin.
http://ringtail.cmp.liv.ac.uk/ Condensed Matter Group
Email: j.bland at liv.ac.uk Liverpool University
"And it can suck a monkey through 30ft of garden hose!!"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Villy Kruse)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.lang.perl
Subject: Re: CPAN.pm and mod_perl with Apache
Date: 4 Aug 2000 06:42:10 GMT
On Thu, 03 Aug 2000 20:00:03 GMT,
David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I seem to be missing the docs on CPAN.pm. I am trying to fetch the
>Bundle::Apache package with it, but it has not worked. Can anyone
>help me with this? I am trying to get mod_perl working with Apache
>1.3.12+SSL. I have the mod_perl-1.24.tar.gz. It seemed to build just
>fine expcept that the install doesn't seem to have installed anything.
>
What system would deliver perl without man page for CPAN or at least a
pod file for CPAN
Anyway, the documentation in form of a pod file is appended to the
end of CPAN.pm; search for __END__ and read on.
Villy
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Davide Bianchi)
Subject: Re: How to get system libraries versions ?
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 06:57:21 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 03 Aug 2000 20:04:09 +0400, Michael Ivanov
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>--------------F6B49B67121B83B1B452BA56
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
>How to khow version number for some library (for glibc, for instace) ?
Please, do not post in HTML.
You can see the lib version with:
ls -l /lib/libc-*
On my system this is the result:
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4101324 Feb 29 22:57 /lib/libc-2.1.3.so
Which state that my library is 2.1.3.
Davide
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Villy Kruse)
Subject: Re: changing the cursor from underline to block
Date: 4 Aug 2000 06:56:26 GMT
On Thu, 3 Aug 2000 04:30:18 -0400, B'ichela <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No good, did not work on my system. If it is any help I am
>using Linux Kernal 2.0.37pre10 (thats what slackware 3.9 calls it). IF
>it helps I DID see a patch to change the cursor for the 2.0.x kernals
>on metalab. Does anyone know of this patch?
>
Someone forgot to tell you that you can't (easily) change the cursor
shape on 2.0.x and earlier versions. The escape sequence is a new
feature in the 2.2 kernel series.
You can patch the device driver, if you feel like it, though.
Villy
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Subject: Re: partitions
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Prasanth A. Kumar)
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 07:00:38 GMT
"constants" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hello
>
> I want to manually set my partitions for an 8.4 gig hard drive using
> Linux Mandrake 7.1. Could anybody tell me what partitions need to be made
> and the size each should be. I will only have linux on the hard drive. I
> know a couple of partitions are /tmp, /usr, /home, /. Are there any I am
> forgetting? Thanks in advance.
There is no requirement that you make additional partitions. You could
easily stick with a / and a swap partition. Additional ones you could
make beyond the above are /var, /opt, /usr/local. Well, you could very
much make any directory into a partition but don't go overboard
because it is possible for one of them to fill up too fast because you
made it too small.
--
Prasanth Kumar
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Robin Pollard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: NFS Home directory during Mandrake/RedHat upgrade
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 09:33:52 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Help, I have upset users !
I have a network with all home directories mounted from an NFS server.
Authentication for users is through NIS (I know it's not super secure
but the users are mostly harmless)
The clients all use Mandrake distribution.
When I upgraded Mandrake (7.0 to 7.1) it did not upgrade files in users
home dirs. Not suprising as the install did not give me the chance to
add NFS mounted dirs when you config the filesystem.
Now gnome is Broken big time (They changed the window manager from
Enligtenment to Sawmill) and KDE limps along with strange gotchas
hanging everywhere.
The users are revolting ;-)
Does anybody know how to:
1. Prevent this problem next time I do an upgraded
2. Fix this for now, re-run the user upgrade part of the script or
whatever juju I must do manualy to fix it.
TIA & Regards,
Robin.
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Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.solaris.x86,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:46:22 +0200
From: Michal Kaspar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Learn Unix on which Unix Flavour ?
On Fri, 4 Aug 2000, Grant Edwards wrote:
> So, is OS/390 (or MVS?) a flavor of Unix(tm), or just Posix-<something>
> compliant?
>
OS/390 is compliant with Unix 95. I'm not sure but I thing i read somwhere
that even Windows NT was compliant with POSIX.
--
Michal Kaspar
VSE Praha
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