Linux-Misc Digest #364, Volume #25 Sun, 6 Aug 00 12:13:03 EDT
Contents:
How to make a kernel for bootable CD-ROM (Lloyd Bryant)
Re: Modifying Redhat 6.2 (Akira Yamanita)
Re: Virtual Desktops (Michael Tefft)
Linux vs Windows ME ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
UDMA IDE Drive stops network transfers (David Steuber)
Re: rsh and password (David Steuber)
Re: Modifying Redhat 6.2 (Frank Hale)
A video card dolt (David Rysdam)
kde 2.0 beta 3 (Daniel Bechard)
Adabas (Daniel Bechard)
Re: Modem doesn't work (and it's not a WinModem) ("Kristofor Wiklund")
WTB: used eDesktop 2.40 (Jerry McBride)
Mouse problems in linux ("Rick")
Re: Modifying Redhat 6.2 (David Rysdam)
sending fax (Daniel Bechard)
Linux on Toshiba laptop ?? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 07:20:34 -0500
From: Lloyd Bryant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: How to make a kernel for bootable CD-ROM
I'm playing with the "NIC" ("New Internet Computer" -
http://www.thinknic.com). For those unfamiliar, this is a Linux based
machine that runs from a CD-ROM (no real hard drive at all, just a small
IDE flash drive for configuration data).
I'm trying to burn a bootable CD, using a kernel that I've built. I've
been successful at burning a working CD using the kernel image off of
the original NIC CD, but every time I try burning one with my own kernel
image, I get the following:
***********************************************
1. FD 1.44 MB System Type - (00)
Loading.....................................
Uncompressing Linux...
Ran out of input data
--- System Halted
************************************************
I am creating the boot image as follows:
"make bzdisk" (with a floppy in the drive)
"dd bs=8192 if=/dev/fd0 of=bootimage"
Obviously, this isn't the proper way to make a boot image for a CD (and
I have the coasters to prove it!). It was just the only thing I could
think of........
BTW: The floppy created using this process works just fine.
As noted above, I can burn the CD using their image, and everything
works, so I'm fairly certain I'm not messing up the CD creating process
itself.
One comment: Looking at the NIC boot image (via Midnight Commander),
the first 512 bytes looks like an old floppy boot sector (it even has
the FAT12 text, and a pointer to "LINUX SYS", which I'm guessing is the
actual boot image). The boot image I pulled off of floppy doesn't even
resemble this.
Anybody have any tips, pointers to FAQ's, etc? At this point, any clue
would be appreciated....
Lloyd Bryant
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Akira Yamanita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Modifying Redhat 6.2
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 12:54:20 GMT
Frank Hale wrote:
>
> I am in the process of changing the packages which are installed with RH
> 6.2. I will then burn it to CD so that it can be installed. Since I am
> making rather large changes to the installed packages I want to change
> the release name (Zoot) to something like (Zoot-Update) or something
> like that so that when I log in or someone else installs my CD they will
> know that its been updated. Which RPM is this stored in. I tried
> redhat-release.rpm but this doesn't contain version number or release
> name. Those 2 things I am looking for.
>
> thanks,
> Frank
initscripts
The destination file is /etc/rc.d/rc.local. That's what writes
/etc/issue and /etc/issue.net on boot.
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Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 09:09:25 -0400
From: Michael Tefft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Virtual Desktops
N/A wrote:
> how do i turn off off virtual desktops so i can use xvidtune so i can stop
> my display from being MASSIVELY large so i can see it all!!!!
>
> explain in newbie language please thank you.
>
> --
> Posted via CNET Help.com
> http://www.help.com/
Just log out and run xf86config from the command line. Then choose a
different setting for your desktop. Ctrl-Alt-backspace will also
break you out of X.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Linux vs Windows ME
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 13:09:57 GMT
As you all know, the future of Linux and Windows ME
are dependent on their stability in the marketplace.
In a consumer and capitalistic society, products dissappear
if there is no demand, or there is a better product that can
be gotten and is widely available.
Now Linux is based on a free system. There are currently
3 main free systems in capitalistic societies... namely
1) radio (ear)
2) television (eyes and ear)
3) internet stuff (eyes and ear) coming real soon.
Movies are not free (unless they have gone through editing
and are shown TV after the theatres have had their profits
from them).
Because capitalistic societies depend on profit and demand,
these two things must exist for products to remain in existence.
Radios shows are in demand (people in cars or elsewhere
want something to listen to for free). Radio show producers
have profit (advertisers pay them to put ads in them).
The same case with TV. People want something to see for free
(demand). Advertisers provide the profit for the producers of
the content.
One interesting thing is that Radios (the boxes themselves) are not
free. Televisions are not free either. But the content is free.
Hotmail.com (the free email service) is free. But there is an
AD at various screens for advertisers. There is demand (free
email). There is profit (advertisers pay hotmail). In this
case, the content is people produced rather than a producer producing.
But also in this special case, one-to=one delivery service
(of email) is being provided instead of a broadcast one way
delivery of content (shows and programs) to the listeners/watchers.
The Outlook Express (provided free for windows users) now has an
option to read hotmail accounts. However, whenever you click on
the hotmail inbox, an AD appears at the bottom of the window for
advertisers (similar to you going to the hotmail.com website and
seeing the ads on the browser webpage).
Telephones are not free (one to one delivery of voice messages)
because advertisers are still not able to interrupt you and
place a "radio" ad in there. But if they can, or the phone
you use has a flashing silent TV for ads, then phones will be
free in the future.
Movies theatres are not free (they can't interrupt you and
stick an ad in there like on TV).
Because there is demand, people will pay for them, even if it
is not free.
Right now there is demand for windows. (a pc needs an operating
system). Windows does not have ads. There is so much demand that
it is like a phone and movie theatre. It can make a profit just
by its existence and the demand for its existence.
Linux is free. There is demand. But Linux doesn't have a profit.
Linux exists in the market place because of an initial hobbiest
demand. (like the first pc computers/apple computers, etc).
There are side profits (services surrounding linux like redhat,
etc) which can be compared to phone manufacturers or TV
manufacturers. But Linux manufacturers don't make a profit
on their manufacturing of linux. Can you put ads at the
bottom of linux screens (like how hotmail and outlookexpress
does it?) It would open up a segment of the computer industry
for advertisers to support linux with profits.
Currently the advertiser/service paradigm has extended to
Internet Service Providers (ISPs) like NetZero.com (an ad
appears on your screen), yahoo.com (search and other service with
ads), and others. Free services needs demand and profit.
There is a need for free ISPs, and the profit can be gotten from
advertisers.
There is demand for auctions, and the auction service as a side
effice generates profit for the auction service provider. (a
small percentage fee like ebay, etc). There is demand for
brokers (datek.com and etrade.com, which also get a slice of
your transactions for profit).
But free operating system? Can it support itself in the long term
if profit is not there? Is Redhat, VA Linux, or other companies
willing to chip in a percentage of their profit linux? Or
are they most likely to "fold a version of linux development inhouse?".
Whenever a free thing becomes a profit generating thing, companies
want a way to control it to make more profit, to fit into their
paradigm. Unix became ultrix (DEC profit company), Hpux (HP
profit company), SunOS/Solaris (SUN profit company), etc.
Perl is free. ActiveState wants to take it, and add things to it
and make its own.
Corel wants to take linux and make its own version, to fold it
into a product inhouse.
Microsoft owns windows. There is demand, there is a profit.
There is no need to open up a revenue profit channel (like
an ad space), except in its free services like hotmail.
If Windows becomes free (if the government forces it to give
out the source code), then an ad at the bottom might be a
revenue option.
So what is the future? The future is the Internet box (a
computer that plugs into the internet) is going to be like
a TV. You pay for it, but you expect the content to be free.
Like TV shows are free. But since the content is now
going to be a billion websites (instead of a few TV stations),
each website must have a way to have demand and produce
profit to survive in a competitive capitalistic marketplace.
Advertisers on webpages are like advertisers in tv programs.
Who owns the Internet Box (for consumers)? Currently:
1) Apple
2) WebTV (microsoft)
3) Dell/Compaq/lots of PC clones
4) others
All these companies will already have demand and a profit
(people will pay for these boxes).
On the content side, each website will want to grab your eyeballs.
Search engines and portals (like an interactive TV guide) will
be in demand as a starting point to the internet. Their profit
can be gotten by ads placed on their pages.
Dell/Compaq are paying Microsoft to improve the OS and put them
inside their boxes.
Will future Internet Boxes pay Linux? Or will they fold linux
inhouse? Will Linux become a service like hotmail providing
ads? If not, how is linux going to survive in a marketplace
if the demand were to subside? Pascal was hot, but now it is
gone. Basic was hot then it was gone (until profit motivated
Microsoft pumped stuff into it) and folded it inhouse to become
Visual Basic. Similarly Microsoft wants to fold C++ inhouse
and call it C# (C Sharp).
What if Microsoft folds Linux inhouse? They tried to fold Java
inhouse and call it J++ (and almost succeeded in it until some
legal tangles and marketing competition with Sun made it not
feasible to continue).
And what does this post have to do with Windows ME? nothing except
that consumer products are king. If ME is for consumers and the
demand is there and the profit is there, then it is the next
thing to watch for.
Is linux going to be split into applelinux, hplinux, corellinux,
etc? Or is there going to be a revolutionary new way to deal
with these products in a capitalistic marketplace? Will society
(socialist?) have to be changed to accomodate it? Or does it
(a for profit incentive) have to adapt to society?
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: UDMA IDE Drive stops network transfers
From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 14:00:02 GMT
I noticed the other day when moving a few GB of files from one
computer to another that when the disk light goes on, the network
traffic halts. Once the disk light goes off, the network traffic
resumes again. This seems to defeat the whole purpose of having a
100bt ethernet network.
My first thought was that the interrupt for the IDE drive was taking
up all the CPU time so that the NIC couldn't be serviced. But a
friend of mine told me that Windows does not have this problem so long
as DMA is enabled.
In `make menuconfig' there is a `Use DMA by default when available'
option under `block devices'. I've got it turned on. Is there
something else I have to do, or are IDE drives just fundamentally
screwed up this way. I hate the idea of disk access bringing other io
and perhaps even the CPU to a halt. I can't afford to install the
equivalent amount of SCSI disk.
Any hints on how I can optimize machine performance? This box will be
an HTTP server that also uses PostgreSQL (until I can get a seperate
box for the SQL server) and mod_perl/HTML::Embperl.
ie should I increase or decrease the bdflush interval from the default
of five seconds?
--
David Steuber | Hi! My name is David Steuber, and I am
NRA Member | a hoploholic.
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=hoplite&submit=Look+it+up
The problem with AI is that it has a mind of its own
--- Devon Miller
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Subject: Re: rsh and password
From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 14:00:03 GMT
"Andrew N. McGuire " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
' ^^ 2) run X applications on apostrophe with their display showing up on
' ^^ my terminal
'
' export DISPLAY=host:0.0
' xterm
This won't work so well with apostrophe at my ISP on the other side of
a NATed firewall ;-). Firewalls on both ends in fact.
I think I've got the answer to that question though. Unfortunatly, I
won't be able to test it until apostrophe has been relocated. It is
not a major deal though. XEmacs has a -nw flag that allows it to run
in my xterm. I still use the mouse a bit though :-(.
' What is it with Linux geeks (in the good sense) naming their machines
' solo?
In this case, the machine is a Gateway Solo 5150. I'm not too
imaginative.
Is there another solo you were thinking of?
As for apostrophe, that was named after the quote character I use in
GNUS and VM for quoting text that I am replying too. Again, a lack of
imagination at work.
--
David Steuber | Hi! My name is David Steuber, and I am
NRA Member | a hoploholic.
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=hoplite&submit=Look+it+up
The problem with AI is that it has a mind of its own
--- Devon Miller
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From: Frank Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Modifying Redhat 6.2
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 14:40:00 GMT
> initscripts
>
> The destination file is /etc/rc.d/rc.local. That's what writes
> /etc/issue and /etc/issue.net on boot.
You've misread my question, etc/rc.d/rc.local doesn't define release
name Zoot or version number 6.2. I am looking for the src.rpm which
contains the information for release name and relase version for RedHat
6.2 it is:
Release name = Zoot
Release version = 6.2
This information is then used in redhat-release file in
/etc/redhat-release but the src.rpm for redhat-release only contains
variables for these but not there actual data. I want to change them
where they are defined but I cannot find the file which they are defined
in.
Does this make more sense?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Rysdam)
Subject: A video card dolt
Date: 6 Aug 2000 13:55:38 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I am a certified hardware-moron. Can someone guide me?
Here's what I need:
-relatively high-res (at least 1152x768x32K)
-good to very-good linux support (meaning I don't want to hear "I was
finally able to get my HamSandwich2000 to work by going to the
hamsand-linux mailing list, offering a sacrifice to Baal and voting
for Perot")
What I don't need:
-3D (or other gaming features)
What I'd very much like (but don't need...yet):
-TV in AND TV out (I want to do some video-editing of some home
movies but I don't need a TV-tuner)
Because of my non-needs (3D, etc) I don't think I need anything
particularly recent (and therefore expensive). I have an AGP slot, so
that widens the choice a little.
I realize it's a little odd to refuse to want to do video-editing but
have no knowledge of the card involved but I have tried researching
this myself multiple times and I just end up confused and frustrated.
I have absolutely zero interest in holding this video card data in my
head long-term, I just want a card that works and does what I want.
--
My public encryption key is available from www.keyserver.net
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From: Daniel Bechard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: kde 2.0 beta 3
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 15:18:02 GMT
I download a bunch of files (kde 2.0 beta 3) for exemple
kdepim2-1-92-1.src.rpm
When I tried to install this file with package it did not seem to work
Is there something I have to do beside using package to uptade the kde
files?
Thanks
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From: Daniel Bechard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Adabas
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 15:19:10 GMT
Hi!
I have install Star Office 5.2 and during installation, it ask me to
download from the internet "ADABAS"
Where can I find this file adabas??
Thank you
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From: "Kristofor Wiklund" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Modem doesn't work (and it's not a WinModem)
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 15:27:59 GMT
>> I've just installed Slackware 7.0 on my new computer. I have found
that
>>my modem does not respond under Linux, but it does under Windows. As I
have
>>stated it is not a WinModem. It is 3Com 56K modem that I have used on my
>>old computer. On my old computer the modem worked fine under Linux and
>>Windows. Any ideas what the problem could be?
>
>No, we need some hints.
>
>ISA or PCI?
>Jumpers or PnP?
>/dev/ttyS? IRQ?
Its a PnP ISA card and uses /dev/ttyS1 (COM2 under windows)
>
>Did you use the Slackware setup program to point /dev/modem at your modem?
>
Yes.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jerry McBride)
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux.caldera,alt.binaries.warez.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: WTB: used eDesktop 2.40
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 11:20:27 -0400
I'm on the look-out for a used, unwanted copy of Caldera eDesktop 2.40
commercial distribution. It must include a blank product registration card
and all original material.
I'm willing to pay any "reasonable" price.
So, if you bought it, you don't like it, can ship to New Jersey USA...
I'll buy it.
Thank you, in advance.
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From: "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Mouse problems in linux
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 11:38:55 -0400
I just installed linux mandrake 7.1, and everything works great except I
cant see a mouse pointer, when I click the mouse reacts like menus and stuff
open but, still no cursor,
The mouse worked great with the installation, though,
That is the puzziling part
Any help would be greatly apreciated
Thanks,
Troy
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Rysdam)
Subject: Re: Modifying Redhat 6.2
Date: 6 Aug 2000 15:01:34 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Have you looked at the scripts that are in the redhat-release rpm?
Maybe one of them fills the /etc/redhat-release file with data.
On Sun, 06 Aug 2000 14:40:00 GMT, Frank Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> initscripts
>>
>> The destination file is /etc/rc.d/rc.local. That's what writes
>> /etc/issue and /etc/issue.net on boot.
>
>You've misread my question, etc/rc.d/rc.local doesn't define release
>name Zoot or version number 6.2. I am looking for the src.rpm which
>contains the information for release name and relase version for RedHat
>6.2 it is:
>
>Release name = Zoot
>Release version = 6.2
>
>This information is then used in redhat-release file in
>/etc/redhat-release but the src.rpm for redhat-release only contains
>variables for these but not there actual data. I want to change them
>where they are defined but I cannot find the file which they are defined
>in.
>
>Does this make more sense?
--
My public encryption key is available from www.keyserver.net
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From: Daniel Bechard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: sending fax
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.caldera
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 15:55:37 GMT
How can I send fax with Open Linux 2.4
Thank you
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Linux on Toshiba laptop ??
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 15:46:24 GMT
Hi,
I've tried to install Linux Mandrake 7.1 on my Toshiba Satellite
2655XDVD laptop. After installing, I had to reboot. While booting, the
laptop holds on " Starting PCMCIA ". What to do ???
Thanks,
Dieter Janssen
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