Linux-Misc Digest #364, Volume #26 Tue, 21 Nov 00 13:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Overhead of printer triver too high to suit me. (Jean-David Beyer)
Re: RPM's (Jean-David Beyer)
Re: serial port (Jean-David Beyer)
Re: serial port (Max Lungarella)
Re: How could I run a perl script by crontab? ("J.B. Moreno")
Re: simple shell script variable question ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
CU idle while tcbs to tx (Peter Nobels)
Re: How could I run a perl script by crontab? (Jean-David Beyer)
Re: RPM's (TimCJarrett)
Re: serial port (Jean-David Beyer)
Re: How could I run a perl script by crontab? (Jan Schaumann)
Re: cdrecord and multi-session (Paul Lew)
Re: serial port (Jean-David Beyer)
packet filtering VS layer 4 switch (Beggar)
ipchains vs Layer 4 switch (Beggar)
Re: Undelete a file in Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Undelete a file in Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Where can find the source code for the bash or ash? (James R. Van Zandt)
Re: Windows Manager and Desktop Enviroment ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: Jean-David Beyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Overhead of printer triver too high to suit me.
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:36:36 -0500
Robert Heller wrote:
> Jean-David Beyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> In a message on Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:50:29 -0500, wrote :
>
> JB> When I print (Red Hat Linux 6.0, Dual 550MHz Pentium III
> JB> processors), the system time jumps up to over 50%. That is a
> JB> heck of a lot of system time for an essentially 1100MHz system.
>
> No, top is talking about 50% on ONE processor. 25% of your 1100MHz
> system. Top does NOT take the number of processors into account. See what
> happens when you really beat on the machine. Watch top tell you that
> system utilization is at 200%! Do a kernel compile in one window and
> rebuild gcc in another. Check out top in a third...
Top is NOT talking about ONE processor. When I set it up to be running 2
setiathomes at Nice 19 and running an IBM DB2 client program that does
parallel processing on two CPUs at the same time (i.e., all four of these in
the ready queue at the same time and all the time), the CPU utilization goes
up to 100% (i.e., idle is at 0.0 all the time). Actually, I do not need to
beat it that hard. Just the setiathomes are enough. One setiathome can run one
processor 100% of the time, but top then indicates that the system is around
50% idle.
Here is how it looks at the moment.
11:28am up 20:42, 1 user, load average: 2.15, 2.16, 2.10
70 processes: 67 sleeping, 3 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped
CPU states: 0.7% user, 6.0% system, 93.1% nice, 0.0% idle
Mem: 516924K av, 491668K used, 25256K free, 82472K shrd, 24920K buff
Swap: 273088K av, 7376K used, 265712K free 362804K cached
PID USER PRI NI PAGEIN SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM CTIME COMMAND
7005 seti 20 19 546 15668 15M 788 R N 46.8 3.0 113:21
setiathome
6625 seti2 19 19 571 14860 14M 788 R N 46.7 2.8 125:34
setiathome
5534 root 1 0 969 28620 27M 2032 S 2.2 5.5 10:57
/etc/X11/X
6494 jdbeyer 5 5 738 3132 3132 2464 S N 2.2 0.6 6:44
cpumemusage
6467 jdbeyer 6 5 446 1084 1084 872 R N 0.4 0.2 1:14
/usr/bin/top
6436 jdbeyer 0 0 7983 2368 2368 1676 S 0.2 0.4 0:09
enlightenmen
6805 root 0 0 1317 3692 3692 2228 S 0.1 0.7 0:47
./_xpwrchute
8314 jdbeyer 0 0 834 4408 4408 1656 S 0.1 0.8 0:45 wish8.0
1 root 0 0 321 480 480 404 S 0.0 0.0 877:31 init [5]
2 root 0 0 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:01 kflushd
3 root 0 0 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:08 kupdate
4 root 0 0 0 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:00 kpiod
5 root 0 0 2005 0 0 0 SW 0.0 0.0 0:09 kswapd
...
EACH of those setiathomes are taking about 93% of a CPU. My machine is not
very busy with real work right now, or the %CPU of the setiathomes would drop
due to their high (meaning unlikely to run) PRI and NI values.
Kernel compiles only take things up to 50%; they are very fast on this
machine. (I also have 2 10,000rpm hard drives on an Ultra-2 SCSI controller,
and 512Megabytes 100MHz ECC SDRAM.)
Top does not need to know how many processors I have. It needs to know only
the total cpu power (2x 550.5 bogomips), and it knows what % of that is being
used. You can see about the same thing by running xosview, which certainly
does know about the two CPUs. It shows the load on each CPU (user, system,
nice, and idle), and the interrupts that are being handled by each CPU.
I can run etop as well, and it DOES show useage for each CPU separately, in a
way similar to what is shown by xosview.
> Also, how long is at 50%?
Several minutes per page for something like a busy Netscape page, or a typical
Acrobat file.
> The system will get very busy *for a very
> brief time* when gs starts to process a file. It needs to allocate
> (and initialize) memory for the printer raster. If this is a 'high
> resolution' printer (1440dpi? lots of color?), this means a lot of bits.
An HP DeskJet 660Cse was never, IIRC, a top-of-the-line printer. It is
configured to be 300x300 pixels. 3-bit color.
> JB> I have a Hewlett Packard DeskJet 660Cse printer connected to
> JB> the parallel port. Right now, I am not printing, am running two
> JB> instances of SetiAtHome and this Netscape and the system time
> JB> is only around 6%. The gs process (that was filtering the
> JB> output of Acrobat, but Acrobat had already exited) only takes
> JB> about 14% of the machine, so the rest must be in the printer
> JB> driver or something. Could I have made a configuration error or
> JB> something? Why would the driver (if it is the driver) consuming
> JB> so much CPU time? Can I do anything about it?
> JB>
> JB> --
> JB> .~. Jean-David Beyer Registered Linux User 85642.
> JB> /V\ Registered Machine 73926.
> JB> /( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey
> JB> ^^-^^ 12:45pm up 6 days, 3:28, 2 users, load average: 1.22, 1.75, 1.94
> JB>
> JB>
> JB>
> JB>
>
>
> --
> \/
> Robert Heller ||InterNet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://vis-www.cs.umass.edu/~heller || [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.deepsoft.com /\FidoNet: 1:321/153
--
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/V\ Registered Machine 73926.
/( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey
^^-^^ 11:15am up 20:28, 1 user, load average: 2.16, 2.15, 2.10
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From: Jean-David Beyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RPM's
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:40:57 -0500
TimCJ wrote:
> I seem to have a bit of a problem with unsatisfied dependencies when
> installing rpm's. I often get the unsatisfied dependencies libc.so.6
> and libm.so.6 but both are in the lib/lib directory, and glibc-2.1.1 is
> definitely installed. I am totally stumped, any help appreciated!
>
> Thanks in advance
> TCJ.
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
Should not your .so files bin in /lib, not /lib/lib? (I mean most of them,
like those.)
Could your libraries have been installed by means other than rpm? So that
rpm does not know they are there?
--
.~. Jean-David Beyer Registered Linux User 85642.
/V\ Registered Machine 73926.
/( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey
^^-^^ 11:35am up 20:49, 1 user, load average: 2.07, 2.12, 2.09
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From: Jean-David Beyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.app
Subject: Re: serial port
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:42:12 -0500
Max Lungarella wrote:
> hi there
>
> i'm trying to use the serial port to control a device connect to it. the
> code compiles without warnings, but while setting the attributes of the
> port i get a funny error message: "Function not implemented"
> (errno=ERRSYS). Here is the simplified code snippet:
>
> struct termios *newtio;
> port = open(portname, O_RDWR | O_NDELAY);
> ...
> tcflush(port, TCIFLUSH);
> if (tcsetattr(port, TCSANOW, &newtio)<0)
> cout << "Error" << endl;
>
> does anybody of you know what i'm doing wrong?
>
> thx a lot in advance.
>
> max
Do you get that message from the open or the tcflush or the tcsetattr?
--
.~. Jean-David Beyer Registered Linux User 85642.
/V\ Registered Machine 73926.
/( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey
^^-^^ 11:40am up 20:54, 1 user, load average: 2.28, 2.16, 2.10
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From: Max Lungarella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.app
Subject: Re: serial port
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 17:46:03 +0100
Jean-David Beyer wrote:
>
> Max Lungarella wrote:
>
> > hi there
> >
> > i'm trying to use the serial port to control a device connect to it. the
> > code compiles without warnings, but while setting the attributes of the
> > port i get a funny error message: "Function not implemented"
> > (errno=ERRSYS). Here is the simplified code snippet:
> >
> > struct termios *newtio;
> > port = open(portname, O_RDWR | O_NDELAY);
> > ...
> > tcflush(port, TCIFLUSH);
> > if (tcsetattr(port, TCSANOW, &newtio)<0)
> > cout << "Error" << endl;
> >
> > does anybody of you know what i'm doing wrong?
> >
> > thx a lot in advance.
> >
> > max
>
> Do you get that message from the open or the tcflush or the tcsetattr?
>
> --
> .~. Jean-David Beyer Registered Linux User 85642.
> /V\ Registered Machine 73926.
> /( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey
> ^^-^^ 11:40am up 20:54, 1 user, load average: 2.28, 2.16, 2.10
hi
i get the message from tcsetattr ... any ideas? would be really cool.
bests.
max
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Subject: Re: How could I run a perl script by crontab?
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:51:29 -0500
From: "J.B. Moreno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jean-David Beyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jan Schaumann wrote:
-snip-
> > Jean-David, you are using the wrong delimiter for your signature - you
> > should use "-- " instead of "--"
>
> I know, but I cannot do anything about it. Seems to be a bug in Netscape,
> even version 4.76. I think all the 4.7*'s have it, and perhaps all the 4.*
> for all I know.
Yes, if you use the HTML editor to compose the article the space gets
stripped off the sigdash when converting to plain text. The solution
is to use the plain text editor, and it won't do that.
--
J.B. Moreno
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: simple shell script variable question
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 16:42:44 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Post) wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Nov 2000 22:42:05 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Floyd)
wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 21 Nov 2000 01:51:45 +0800, Dan Allen
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>To answer my own question, you need to force what is on the right
side of
> >>the expression to evaluate itself and return the output. To do that
you
> >>use the backwards single quotation mark. So it would be as follows
>
> >>i=`whoami`
>
> >>This text does not show what it looks like in the shell, but it is
the
> >>same key as the ~, only without the shift.
>
> >Following that instruction I get #whoami#
> I just tried his example, and it worked for me. I don't know if it
makes
> any difference or not, but what shell are you running? I'm running
bash.
> Another possibility would be to use this:
> i=$(whoami)
> which also works under bash.
I'm running ksh (or pdksh) as a rule. As has already been pointed out,
I don't have a US keyboard. For those of you that have never seen a
non-US keyboard it might come as a bit of a surprise that the layout is
different. My keyboard is a 102 key UK layout, so the ` is on the top
left key along with � (small horizontal line with an even smaller
vertical line going downward from the rightmost point). The key also has
a solid vertical line/pipe as an AltGr character. ~ is shift-#, next to
the enter key (and it's a key that doesn't exist on 101 key US
keyboards).
A bientot
Paul
--
Paul Floyd
http://paulf.free.fr (now with improved pictures!)
mail: as web, without http, replacing first dot with @
Is atrophy a shiny cup?
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Nobels)
Subject: CU idle while tcbs to tx
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 16:54:22 GMT
Hi,
does anyone know what this means...? I suspect it has something to do
with networking but...
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From: Jean-David Beyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How could I run a perl script by crontab?
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 12:04:18 -0500
"J.B. Moreno" wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Jean-David Beyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Jan Schaumann wrote:
> -snip-
> > > Jean-David, you are using the wrong delimiter for your signature - you
> > > should use "-- " instead of "--"
> >
> > I know, but I cannot do anything about it. Seems to be a bug in Netscape,
> > even version 4.76. I think all the 4.7*'s have it, and perhaps all the 4.*
> > for all I know.
>
> Yes, if you use the HTML editor to compose the article the space gets
> stripped off the sigdash when converting to plain text. The solution
> is to use the plain text editor, and it won't do that.
>
> --
> J.B. Moreno
Too bad, I guess, because I need the HTML editor for most of my stuff, and it
is way too much trouble to switch back and forth for the newsgroups. Better
send complaints to Netscape to make their program compliant with industry
standards.
--
.~. Jean-David Beyer Registered Linux User 85642.
/V\ Registered Machine 73926.
/( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey
^^-^^ 12:00pm up 21:13, 1 user, load average: 2.06, 2.06, 2.07
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From: TimCJarrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RPM's
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 16:59:32 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thankyou for your reply, I made a bit of a mistake in my posting as the .so
files are actually in the /lib directory! I think I might just try and
install the packages without checking the dependencies, as the RPM database
may not be working correctly even though I have rebuilt it
Thanks,
TCJ..
Jean-David Beyer wrote:
> TimCJ wrote:
>
> > I seem to have a bit of a problem with unsatisfied dependencies when
> > installing rpm's. I often get the unsatisfied dependencies libc.so.6
> > and libm.so.6 but both are in the lib/lib directory, and glibc-2.1.1 is
> > definitely installed. I am totally stumped, any help appreciated!
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> > TCJ.
> >
> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Before you buy.
>
> Should not your .so files bin in /lib, not /lib/lib? (I mean most of them,
> like those.)
>
> Could your libraries have been installed by means other than rpm? So that
> rpm does not know they are there?
>
> --
> .~. Jean-David Beyer Registered Linux User 85642.
> /V\ Registered Machine 73926.
> /( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey
> ^^-^^ 11:35am up 20:49, 1 user, load average: 2.07, 2.12, 2.09
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From: Jean-David Beyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.app
Subject: Re: serial port
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 12:11:38 -0500
Max Lungarella wrote:
> Jean-David Beyer wrote:
> >
> > Max Lungarella wrote:
> >
> > > hi there
> > >
> > > i'm trying to use the serial port to control a device connect to it. the
> > > code compiles without warnings, but while setting the attributes of the
> > > port i get a funny error message: "Function not implemented"
> > > (errno=ERRSYS). Here is the simplified code snippet:
> > >
> > > struct termios *newtio;
> > > port = open(portname, O_RDWR | O_NDELAY);
> > > ...
> > > tcflush(port, TCIFLUSH);
> > > if (tcsetattr(port, TCSANOW, &newtio)<0)
> > > cout << "Error" << endl;
> > >
> > > does anybody of you know what i'm doing wrong?
> > >
> > > thx a lot in advance.
> > >
> > > max
> >
> > Do you get that message from the open or the tcflush or the tcsetattr?
>
> i get the message from tcsetattr ... any ideas? would be really cool.
>
> bests.
> max
How did you fill in your newtio structure? I find the best way is to do a
tcgetaddr() to fill it in with your current values, and then just change those
you need to. That way, all the rest of the stuff that you never think of will
be set correctly.
Of course, the thing you are trying to set may not be settable for that device.
--
.~. Jean-David Beyer Registered Linux User 85642.
/V\ Registered Machine 73926.
/( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey
^^-^^ 12:05pm up 21:18, 1 user, load average: 2.16, 2.11, 2.09
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jan Schaumann)
Subject: Re: How could I run a perl script by crontab?
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 17:18:09 GMT
* Jean-David Beyer wrote:
> "J.B. Moreno" wrote:
>
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > Jean-David Beyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Jan Schaumann wrote:
> > -snip-
> > > > Jean-David, you are using the wrong delimiter for your signature - you
> > > > should use "-- " instead of "--"
> > >
> > > I know, but I cannot do anything about it. Seems to be a bug in Netscape,
> > > even version 4.76. I think all the 4.7*'s have it, and perhaps all the 4.*
> > > for all I know.
> >
> > Yes, if you use the HTML editor to compose the article the space gets
> > stripped off the sigdash when converting to plain text. The solution
> > is to use the plain text editor, and it won't do that.
>
> Too bad, I guess, because I need the HTML editor for most of my stuff, and it
> is way too much trouble to switch back and forth for the newsgroups. Better
> send complaints to Netscape to make their program compliant with industry
> standards.
No! The program works fine - html has no place in usenet and it should simplyu
not be used for email/newsgroups, preiod. If you insist on using html (or the
html-editor for that matter), that is *your* problem.
Blaming it on the software and knowingly keep the wrong configuration is rude.
But I suggest using a better newsclient for usenet anyway. NS is pretty crappy.
I suggest slrn (http://slrn.sourceforge.net) for command-line and pan
(http://www.superpimp.org) for GUI.
Followup2 news.software.readers
-Jan
--
Jan Schaumann <http://www.netmeister.org>
"I don't get it. Who was this Ted Danson, and why would you pay $10,000 for
his skeleton?" -Leela
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Lew)
Subject: Re: cdrecord and multi-session
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 17:25:21 GMT
On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, Thomas Ruedas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>I wasn't sure of the sequence you used from your post. Did you eject
>>the CD after each session? Some CDRs (including mine) won't show the
>>new stuff until you've ejected and re-inserted the CD.
>No, but possibly that will help. Unfortunately I couldn't verify it yet,
>because at the end of the 3rd session of my new attempt (after which I
>would have controlled it) a hardware error appeared during the eject and
>the process wasn't finished properly. The CD-R wasn't ejected at the
>end, and the writer won't open to give it back; looks like we will have
>to reboot the machine :-(
>Thanks so far,
>--
I found that when I did 'cdrecord -msinfo dev=4,0' it didn't work but
when the quote was changed to `cdrecord -msinfo dev=4.0` it worked as
I kind of recalled that I had encountered a problem with the direction
of the quote in the shell for running something else within a script or
command....
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From: Jean-David Beyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.app
Subject: Re: serial port
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 12:26:42 -0500
Jean-David Beyer wrote:
> Max Lungarella wrote:
>
> > Jean-David Beyer wrote:
> > >
> > > Max Lungarella wrote:
> > >
> > > > hi there
> > > >
> > > > i'm trying to use the serial port to control a device connect to it. the
> > > > code compiles without warnings, but while setting the attributes of the
> > > > port i get a funny error message: "Function not implemented"
> > > > (errno=ERRSYS). Here is the simplified code snippet:
> > > >
> > > > struct termios *newtio;
> > > > port = open(portname, O_RDWR | O_NDELAY);
> > > > ...
> > > > tcflush(port, TCIFLUSH);
> > > > if (tcsetattr(port, TCSANOW, &newtio)<0)
> > > > cout << "Error" << endl;
> > > >
> > > > does anybody of you know what i'm doing wrong?
> > > >
> > > > thx a lot in advance.
> > > >
> > > > max
> > >
> > > Do you get that message from the open or the tcflush or the tcsetattr?
> >
> > i get the message from tcsetattr ... any ideas? would be really cool.
> >
> > bests.
> > max
>
> How did you fill in your newtio structure? I find the best way is to do a
> tcgetaddr() to fill it in with your current values, and then just change those
> you need to. That way, all the rest of the stuff that you never think of will
> be set correctly.
>
> Of course, the thing you are trying to set may not be settable for that device.
P.S.: You did malloc your newtio structure, I hope? Otherwise garbage will ensue.
And free it later to avoid memory leaks... . I hope I am not insulting your
intelligence, but one never knows... .
--
.~. Jean-David Beyer Registered Linux User 85642.
/V\ Registered Machine 73926.
/( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey
^^-^^ 12:20pm up 21:33, 1 user, load average: 2.09, 2.19, 2.13
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From: Beggar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: packet filtering VS layer 4 switch
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 01:26:05 +0800
Hi all,
I am wondering what's the performance of a Linux box with packet filter
compare with a layer 4 switch (eg. Arrowpoint).
Suppose I use a PIII 700Mhz machine.
I am not expect they have the same performace, but at least can it
ahieve half or something like that...... since I am wondering whethere
need to use a few thousand to buy a layer 4 switch or use a few hundred
to
set up a linux box.
Thanks!!
Please reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dicky
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From: Beggar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ipchains vs Layer 4 switch
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 01:27:05 +0800
Hi all,
I am wondering what's the performance of a Linux box with packet filter
compare with a layer 4 switch (eg. Arrowpoint).
Suppose I use a PIII 700Mhz machine.
I am not expect they have the same performace, but at least can it
ahieve half or something like that...... since I am wondering whethere
need to use a few thousand to buy a layer 4 switch or use a few hundred
to
set up a linux box.
Thanks!!
Please reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dicky
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Undelete a file in Linux
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 17:15:34 GMT
Eric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: There's hardly any overhead, I can still use the original rm by either
: specifying the entire path, or escape rm from the shell.
You also have to have enough disk space ... that's the other problem. One
account I used to have, had a disk quota, and I was always around 95%
full. That method wasn't very good for me.
I don't use this system personally, I don't often delete the wrong file
(knock on wood), although when I do, I wish I did :)
--
Jeff Gentry [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"You're one of those condescending UNIX users! ...."
"Here's a nickel kid ... get yourself a real computer."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Undelete a file in Linux
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 17:14:12 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: I don't know why it says this
: when Midnight Commander has been around for
: years -- maybe it's just to make people
Err, perhaps because MC is not a standard part of Linux? One *might* have
it, or they might not. Relying on that tool is bad
behaviour. Furthermore, MC doesn't exactly exist on all UNIX platforms,
and in general, for UNIX, the answer is indeed "no" (with some caveats).,
--
Jeff Gentry [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"You're one of those condescending UNIX users! ...."
"Here's a nickel kid ... get yourself a real computer."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (James R. Van Zandt)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Where can find the source code for the bash or ash?
Date: 21 Nov 2000 12:52:24 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Alan Po wrote:
>
> Where can I find the source code for the bash?
Go to any Debian archive mirror and navigate to
dists/stable/main/source/base
then download up bash.whatever.orig.gz. (You don't have to run Debian
to use their archives.)
Or, visit a gnu archive mirror.
- Jim Van Zandt
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Windows Manager and Desktop Enviroment
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 16:16:15 +0000
Dan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> did eloquently scribble:
> My questions is:
> 1) What is the difference between a Windows Manager and a
> Desktop/Graphical Enviroment.
Window Manager. An application that sits on top of X and provides menus,
window decoration and general window managment (the ability to resize, move
and minaturise windows, etc).
Desktop environment. Sits on top of a window manager and adds another layer
of abstraction. most add coherent cut and paste between programs written
specifically for the desktop environment and a lot of other features...
Personally, I've never found anything in KDE or GNOME worth the extra
resources they take up.
> 2) What would be a good suggestion, Windows Manager or Desktop/Graphical
> Enviroment.
Depends what YOU want or need. And what system you have running.
Low end systems should run a window manager. Higher end machines can run a
desktop, but in the end, it's all down to personal preference.
> 3) And finally, which Windows Manager or which Desktop/Graphical
> Enviroment should I use.
"Try before you buy" is the best advice.
Personally, I use ICEwm. Nice, slim and not very resource hungry.
Just install and try. If you like it, use it.
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