Linux-Misc Digest #876, Volume #25 Tue, 26 Sep 00 23:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: CD-RW help! (Michel Catudal)
Re: Help with buying a comp with Linux & windows (Michel Catudal)
Re: Debian or Redhat or Caldera, and KDE or Gnome? (Michel Catudal)
Re: Bandwidth Limiter... (Robert Heller)
Re: Help installing/configuring tape drive (ljb)
annoying rpm build errors...that are FALSE (Praedor Tempus)
Re: System hangs on boot ("paul snow")
Re: Get the Red Hat 7.0 iso's here (Bob Maluga)
Re: Debian or Redhat or Caldera, and KDE or Gnome? (Michel Catudal)
Re: linux ppc vs linux alpha vs linux x86? (guy-jin)
Re: Kudsu in every boot...Why? (Michel Catudal)
Re: Newbie: Printer Setup (Quad)
Re: Installing win-modem in the linux mandrake x windows (Michel Catudal)
Re: Partitioning..... (jeff)
Re: Looking for "Small" version of X-Windows for running on 4mb laptop (Monte
Milanuk)
Re: Deja.com ("Thomas Liaw")
DELL LATITUDE C600 and Red Hat compatibility issues (Evan Panagiotopoulos)
Gathering a recursive list of URLs? (Shaun)
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows (Richard Steiner)
Re: Looking for "Small" version of X-Windows for running on 4mb laptop (Andreas
Schweitzer)
Re: bash problems (Robert Kiesling)
Re: Get the Red Hat 7.0 iso's here ("John Tulabing")
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From: Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: CD-RW help!
Date: 26 Sep 2000 20:20:08 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] a �crit :
>
> okay, my IDE CD-RW is acting up. I have an HP 9100 IDE/ATAPI. For some
> reason, Linux refuses to recognize it. Every so often I would be able to
> use it, but once I rebooted I couldn't anymore. I have reinstalled
> Mandrake about 15 times and even installed it from the CD-RW. My DVD
> works just fine. As a last resort, I tried removing
> Mandrake's "Supermount Technology" and opted to mount removable drives
> myself. My DVD mounted OK, my zip the same, but when I went to mount my
> CD-RW, it said "mount: The kernel does not recognize /dev/cdrom as a
> block device (maybe 'insmod driver'?)". I also logged on as root and
> typed cdrecord -scanbus. This was the error message I received "No such
> file or directory. Cannot open SCSI driver." Another observation I
> made: whenver the CD-RW was working (the rare occasions) I would go into
> the HardDrake configuration utility and listed under the category CD-ROM
> Drives would be the following:
> Toshiba SD-M1212 DVD
> HP CD-Writer Plus 9100
> Unknown (When I clicked on this it was identified as a SCSI device.
> Perhaps it was a driver used for SCSI emulation???)
>
> Anyway, whenever the CD-RW didn't work, I would go into the HardDrake
> again and see the following:
> Toshiba SD-M1212 DVD
> HP CD-Writer Plus 9100
>
> The unknown SCSI device disappeared. Am I correct in my assumption that
> the unknown device was a SCSI emulator? Is this why my CD-Writer isn't
> working? If it is a SCSI driver, how do I reinstall it? Thanks for
> helping me on this mind-boggling problem!
>
> --
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> http://www.help.com/
Follow the links on my web site
http://users.netonecom.net/~bbcat/linux_page2.html
One thing you must do if you want to limit the problems is to remove support
for IDE cdrom in the kernel. Under SuSE 7.0 for instance the cdrom isn't recognized
as a SCSI drive until I do a cdrecord -scanbus with the IDE cdrom support compiled.
The only way I have found to fix the bug is to completely remove any support for IDE
cdrom. If you have more than one cdrom or cdrw you will have more scsi drives.
in /etc/modules.conf I have
alias scd0 sr_mod
options ide-cd ignore=hdc
alias scsi_hostadapter ide-scsi
in /etc/lilo.conf I have
append="hdc=ide-scsi"
when you change lilo.conf don't forget to run lilo
if you have 2 cdroms for instance this would be
append="hdc=ide-scsi hdd=ide-scsi"
Assuming those would be there of course.
Note that I have never been able to get my cdrw to work correctly with
a hard disk on the same channel. I ended up buying an ultradma64 card
to fix the problem. It may be just on my system but the problem was
cleared by removing the hard disk.
in /etc/fstab I have
/dev/scd0 /cdrom auto ro,noauto,user,exec 0 0
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From: Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help with buying a comp with Linux & windows
Date: 26 Sep 2000 20:21:03 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] a �crit :
>
> For profesional reasons, I need Windows 2000 as a high priority item,
> then Linux. Should I:
>
> - buy a Windows 2000 (laptop), then buy and load Linux later for
> dual boot
>
> or
>
> - buy a Linux laptop, then buy and load Windows 2000 later?
>
> tia.
>
> (If that helps, I need to run clearcase on my laptop at home,
> and linux is not supported as a server yet)
>
> and if that helps, I've never used Linux, and barely know Windows,
> but very comfortable with Unix.
>
Because of the search and destroy mission of certain winblows installs it may
not be a wise move to install winblows second.
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From: Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Debian or Redhat or Caldera, and KDE or Gnome?
Date: 26 Sep 2000 20:21:05 -0500
guy-jin a �crit :
>
> i am in possession of 3 linux distros, each on
> one CD - Red Hat Linux 6.0, Debian GNU/Linux 2.1,
> and Caldera Open Linux 2.3. which of these is the
> most recent? which one do you think i should install?
>
None of the above
SuSE 7.0 rules.
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Bandwidth Limiter...
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 01:22:27 -0000
"Lonni J. Friedman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
In a message on Tue, 26 Sep 2000 18:07:54 -0400, wrote :
"JF> what you want is known as traffic shaping, and is a kernel feature.
"JF> You'll most likely have to recompile the kernel to get it.
Is this part of the stock kernels or does it require a patch? What sort
of configuration options are there?
"JF>
"JF> Robert Heller wrote:
"JF> >
"JF> > I have a somewhat off-the-wall question:
"JF> >
"JF> > Is it possible to *limit* bandwidth on an EtherNet connection? It
"JF> > occurs to me that using a Linux box with two NIC's could be used,
"JF> > somehow, but I am not sure how to set it up to provide specific
"JF> > bandwidth limitations (other than a somewhat gross hack by the choice of
"JF> > processor and memory -- I.e. a 486SX33 for really low bandwidth, a
"JF> > 486DX-2 66 for a bit better, a P100, then a P133, etc.).
"JF> >
"JF> > Also, is it possible to use this sort of system to *meter* bandwidth?
"JF>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ljb)
Subject: Re: Help installing/configuring tape drive
Date: 27 Sep 2000 01:21:21 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>I've installed an HP DAT drive on my RedHat 6.1 server, but I'm at a loss on
>how to make the OS recognize it. Upon rebooting the server, it recognized
>the Adaptec SCSI card, and installed that, however I'm clueless on how to
>make the OS realize that there's a tape drive present. I'm familiar with
>SCO Unix, and would use the 'mkdev tape' command, but I'm unaware of it's
>equivalent in Linux, specifically RedHat. I've searched the HOW-TO's, but I
>can't find anything there regarding tape drives. I'd appreciate any help
>anyone can give me, and could you possibly email your response as well so I
You probably need the "st" (SCSI Tape Drive) module loaded. Try "modprobe st"
and see if it logs messages about detecting the tape. If so, you should
be able to use the /dev/nst0 and /dev/st0 device files.
(Sorry, I don't know what you do on Red Hat to get it to load the module on
bootup.)
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From: Praedor Tempus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: annoying rpm build errors...that are FALSE
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 19:36:52 -0600
I periodically run into the MOST ANNOYING error when trying
to build certain src rpms. I am running Mandrake 7.1 and
am trying, at this moment, to build the tcltk-8.3.2 src
rpm. It gets pretty far along and then craps with this
message:
th-tclinclude=../tcl8.3.2/generic --with-tkinclude=../tk8.3.2/generic
configuring Expect 5.31.7
checking for autoconf... yes
checking configure up to date... yes
checking host system type... i686-mandrake-linux-gnu
checking target system type... i686-mandrake-linux-gnu
checking build system type... i686-mandrake-linux-gnu
configure: error: can only configure for one host and one target at a
time
Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.70120 (%build)
GAH! There is only ONE host and ONE target listed and they
are IDENTICAL. There is no problem here yet rpm appears to
have one. What does one need to do to get past this
bullcrap? This is nixing my ability to build and upgrade
several src rpms because they each end this way...but it
is only SOME src.rpms. MOST of them build just fine.
Can anyone enlighten me as to what the problem and
solution is to this?
Please?
praedor
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From: "paul snow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: System hangs on boot
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 01:39:10 GMT
A drive crash is not real likely, given that the first indication of trouble
occurred before the machine was moved (if I understand the situation
correctly), and the fact that almost all drives today will auto park their
heads anyway, independent of what the OS does, once the power is turned off.
Not to say it isn't possible.
"Lonni J. Friedman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> perhaps you messed up the HD heads when you moved it?
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > My linuxppc 2.2.15pre3 kernel hangs on boot after
> >
> > remounting root filesystem read/write [OK]
> >
> > is displayed. It was running fine for a long time, and then I did a
> >
> > >shutdown -h -t 0 now
> >
> > because I was taking the machine to a different room. It hung on
> > shutdown when unmounting the fs, and then gave me the above error when
> > rebooting.
> >
> > Does anyone have any idea where to go with this? Any help would be
> > greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
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Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc,redhat.general
Subject: Re: Get the Red Hat 7.0 iso's here
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Maluga)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 01:46:25 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ethan Schwartz) wrote in
<8qql43$c9s$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>I went thru about 25% of the mirrors (that's like 10 sites) and couldn't
>find one that has the ISOs for 7.0 on it... and everyone else is
>correct, the redhat ftp is toast... hopefully they have some sort of
>priority setup for their mirrors, or they send them CDs (or something)
>so that people won't be blocking the mirrors' ability to grab the
>stuff...
>
>Most sites have a "you are user xxx out of xxx allowed on this
>server"... does anyone know if ftp.redhat.com has a similar welcome
>message?
Actually, Redhat does have such a message. Their server is just so
overloaded that most of the time you'll get a 10061 error. Don't ask me
what that means but I assume it's something along the lines of no ports
free.
>(Actually, while I'm saying that, how does one go about adding a message
>like that to their server?)
>
>TIA,
>-Ethan
>
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:sc4A5.17628$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In comp.os.linux.misc Chowder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> : ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/redhat-7.0/i386/iso/
>>
>> As of this moment, you can't even log in anonymously. I've yet to
>> find a mirror that has the ISOs on it (most mirrors don't even have
>> 7.0).
>>
>> --
>> Jeff Gentry [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> "You're one of those condescending UNIX users! ...."
>> "Here's a nickel kid ... get yourself a real computer."
>
>
>
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From: Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Debian or Redhat or Caldera, and KDE or Gnome?
Date: 26 Sep 2000 20:46:15 -0500
Dances With Crows a �crit :
>
>
> Asking questions like "Is GNOME or KDE better?" is likely to start
> religious wars. Most distros include both; install both and try them
> both out so you can decide for yourself which is better.
>
I could say that I am not biased either way, having used GNOME and tossed it,
switched to KDE and then back to GNOME.
A while back KDE sucked big time, I remember numerous crashes on my 486 PC.
I just stuck with the naked desktop that came with slackware because it was more
stable.
I later got a faster machine and installed gnome. The damm thing would crash for no
logical reason so I dumped it and went with KDE for a while. Crashes of the mouse
were common when switching between desktop and GUI and touching the mouse before the
screen had finished drawing. I then tried GNOME again and felt like searching for
a shotgun to get the stupid thing out of it's misery. I later saw a comment about
enligthment that got me to think that perhaps the problem was not GNOME exactly.
I later tried to switch my KDE to use GNOME instead but it crashed and I gave up
and went back to KDE.
This past weekend I installed SuSE 7.0 professional and installed KDE, KDE 2.0 and
GNOME. I decided to check KDE 2.0 to realize that it wasn't ready for prime time
by a long shot. I tested GNOME and hourra, it works beautifully and I removed KDE.
At last it is stable and fast, much faster than KDE has ever been. This time I made
a point of not installing enlightment at all.
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From: guy-jin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.powerpc,comp.os.linux.alpha
Subject: Re: linux ppc vs linux alpha vs linux x86?
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 01:36:28 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Steve Wolfe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If you're already decided, why bother with real-world numbers?
just trying to be funny. sheesh.
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From: Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Kudsu in every boot...Why?
Date: 26 Sep 2000 20:55:13 -0500
Gerardo Rincon a �crit :
>
> Every time I boot into Linux my computer goes into a Kudsu Hardware
> Discovery....It sits there for 30 seconds and then it fails,...and then,
> the rest of the boot process is OK...It just delays the boot time 30
> seconds...WHY? can I eliminate this step? How?
Is that with mandrake? You should be able to disable that bug by running
the configuration program from the console. I don't remember the name of
the program to call, check the book that came with your distribution.
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From: Quad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Newbie: Printer Setup
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 01:54:25 GMT
Thanks guys, I used the driver and my printer is up and running
I really apreciate all the help.
Thanks again
Quad
In article <8qq3ep$b8q$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Quad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Guys thanks so much, ill try it when I get home and let you know how
it
> worked out.
>
> Thanks
>
> Quad
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Bob Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Quad wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > I have a Xerox XJ6C printer. It doesnt come with drivers for
linux
> and
> > > from what I have researched, its not supported. Does anyone know
a
> > > different print driver that might work with my printer?
> > >
> > > Or any other way I might set it up?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> >
> > Try www.linuxprinting.org, it's listed as mostly working.
> > --
> >
> > Bob Martin
> >
>
> --
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>
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>
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From: Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Installing win-modem in the linux mandrake x windows
Date: 26 Sep 2000 21:01:03 -0500
Nightshade a �crit :
>
> I know that since I first got my linux a few mouths ago that it would not
> reconise my modem fully with it beeing a win modem.
>
> But also I have heard that its posible to download programs that would
> install these modems by using files that work for linux like the
> instalison program would do for installing windows.
>
> Now I have come accrose a few site a wile back and actualy downloaded a
> few but out of them all there said the files are not up to date.
>
> So can any one please tell me the url for the sites that have files like
> these for the linux mandrake 7.1
>
> The modem in qustion is a HSP V90 56K Flex modem.
>
Your question is illogical. You claim to have a winmodem and later say that it is
an HSP modem. Linux still doesn't support software modems like the so called winmodem
or HSP modem. There is only one software modem supported so far and it ain't what
you got.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jeff)
Subject: Re: Partitioning.....
Date: 27 Sep 2000 02:12:02 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 26 Sep 2000 16:54:18 -0500, The Jigsaw Man <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Greetings all. I'm trying to install a Linux on my system, and it seems
> that the first thing I need to do is to partition my disk. I have 7.5GB,
> and about 3.5GB free. What I hope to do is make the last 1.5GB or so
> into a logical partition, and install Linux on it, and only boot to
> Linux through a boot-disk. Is this possible? How can I partition my
> drive in this manner without destroying my data, or killing the 32bit
> FAT?
1. Backup your harddisk. You should not need a backup, but if you don't do
it, you probably _will_ need it.
2. This varies a bit from distribution to distribution, but the install
process should give you the option to create one or more new partitions
(without affecting existing partitions), and to indicate which partition(s)
Linux should automatically mount.
3. As part of the install process, you will also be asked where to place
Lilo, the Linux Loader. Make sure you indicate "Linux partition" (whatever
your distribution calls it), and _not_ MBR (Master Boot Record).
4. Make sure that you create a boot diskette, which should also be an
intallation option.
Good luck
-jeff
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From: Monte Milanuk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Looking for "Small" version of X-Windows for running on 4mb laptop
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 20:20:48 -0600
mike wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I heard that there was a small X-Windows that could be used
> on systems with low computer resources. I inherited a
> Compaq Contura 486 laptop with 4mb ram and about 528mb hd.
> I was hoping to find a version of X-Windows that will run on it. It has
> a black and white screen.
> Thanks
> Mike
Haven't tried this one personally, but check freshmeat and I'm sure it
shoud be there. It's called 'twin' for 't'ext 'win'dow manager. It is
supposedly kinda like X but using a curses-based screen. Otherwise,
almost every linux distro comes w/ twm (It installs by default w/
XFree86, I think), which is about as bare bones as it gets. Next, I'd
look at something like fvwm, which again comes w/ most default installs,
whether you want it or not ;) It is old, at least relative to kde and
gnome, but it does work a lot better on minimal hardware. I had finally
evangelized linux enough that our local IS person, and our meter tech
(her backup admin), were letting me install Linux-Mandrake on a spare
P-90 w/ 16M ram for a beater platform, since our new SCADA system ran on
HPUX, and they didn't want people learning for the first time on a
production system and CDE. KDE absolutely crawled, and eventually
locked up the system. Gnome wasn't really any better. Talk about egg
on one's face. Yuck! Later, I tried fvwm95, and it ran like a champ.
XFCE and IceWM (lean, but mostly gnome-compliant) worked pretty well.
Oh, now that I think of it, there is another minimalist windowmanagaer
out there that might work-- wm2. Again, pretty bare bones.
Monte
P.S. before you ask me for help setting up any of these minimalist
windowmanagers, I must mention that my 'leanest' systems have a minimum
of 64MB RAM, and my desktop that I use day to day has 384MB. So 'lean'
to me (IceWM and XFCE) is probably piggy to you. For me, wm2 and fvwm,
are insanely fast, but butt-ugly and not very friendly. YMMV.
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From: "Thomas Liaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Deja.com
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 00:31:27 +0800
Hi Garry!
Thanks and I have discovered I feature that I looking for can be
achieved by sing a series of & (and) or | (or) logical filter. BTW, how
come my posting is not appear in the discussion, instead a reply from you
which contain my post?
Thomas Liaw.
"Garry Knight" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, Thomas Liaw wrote:
>
> > I always try to go to deja.com to find my Linux solution, but because
I
> >am not very familiar with its search engine, many time I got huge amount
of
> >results and is very difficult to go through each of them.
>
> There's a front-end to Deja News at the following URL. You might get
better
> results there: <URL: http://www.exit109.com/~jeremy/news/deja.html>
>
> --
> Garry Knight
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Evan Panagiotopoulos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: DELL LATITUDE C600 and Red Hat compatibility issues
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 22:40:40 -0400
I am planning on buying that laptop. Any comments? I saw in
http://www.redhat.com that the Xircom Ethernet adapter that Dell is
offering is NOT compatible with Red Hat.
Thanks,
--
Evan Panagiotopoulos
Library/Media Technology Director
Poughkeepsie City School District
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From: Shaun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Gathering a recursive list of URLs?
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 02:23:52 GMT
Hi,
I need to create a complete recursive list of URLs for an entire
website. That is, I need something that I can point to
http://www.some.com/index.html, and have it follow the links recursively
throughout the site and build a list of all the URLs. I don't actually
want copies of the pages, just a list of their URLs.
At first I thought wget's --spider option might do it, but that just
suppresses the output. For the time being, I wrote a PHP script to build
URL lists from a local copy of the site. However, I'd prefer a simpler
option if one exists.
If anyone knows of an alternate utility (or Perl/PHP script) which can
accomplish this task, I'd be most grateful!
Thanks!
Shaun
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Steiner)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:33:47 -0500
Here in comp.os.linux.misc, [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake unto us, saying:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> It's not quite dead yet. :-)
>
>There's life in the old gal yet, but I keep seeing announcements of new
>releases of various products that are available only for 'doze.
You seen the various news bits coming out about the eComStation client
from Serenity Systems?
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Situation Normal. Panic Accordingly.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andreas Schweitzer)
Subject: Re: Looking for "Small" version of X-Windows for running on 4mb laptop
Date: 27 Sep 2000 02:41:52 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Monte Milanuk wrote:
>mike wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> I heard that there was a small X-Windows that could be used
>> on systems with low computer resources. I inherited a
>> Compaq Contura 486 laptop with 4mb ram and about 528mb hd.
First of all, there is a 4MB-Laptop-Mini-HOWTO. Sound perfect :-)
>> I was hoping to find a version of X-Windows that will run on it. It has
>> a black and white screen.
There are some mini-X distributions out there.
They are basically taking the most minimal amount of the standard
X distribution and putting it together.
It *may* be X11R5 (i.e. Xfree2.X, an older version of X11),
which *may* be enough for what you are planing.
I am not aware of a tuned X server itself.
Then there are some projects (look on freshmeat, linuxlinks, metalab
and which ever your favorite source is), that go for a
"not so bloated GUI" :
wisio, nanoX, Yax, microwindows (I think 2 of them merged).
And then there is MGR, which is kind of dated.
But I used MGR for my old 386 with a 256k VGA card.
X was just not going anywhere on that.
>Haven't tried this one personally, but check freshmeat and I'm sure it
>shoud be there. It's called 'twin' for 't'ext 'win'dow manager. It is
>supposedly kinda like X but using a curses-based screen. Otherwise,
Yep, that's a cool thing, too :-)
Generally, all these things have some kind of terminal
program, so you can use all console based applications.
Twin's terminal emulations seems to be pretty decent.
>almost every linux distro comes w/ twm (It installs by default w/
>XFree86, I think), which is about as bare bones as it gets. Next, I'd
>look at something like fvwm, which again comes w/ most default installs,
Now, if you run X, yes, then get a lean window manager.
The smallest one I used was lwm :-) that has nothing whatsoever ...
somehow like wm2. Both I like, btw :-) but then I also like
Enlightenment - but you don't want that on your poor Laptop.
Andreas
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert Kiesling)
Subject: Re: bash problems
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 26 Sep 2000 22:25:55 -0400
In article <8qrfta$piv$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi. I need to be able to pick out an individual directory name from
>the path variable. I know this is easy-peasy in csh, but how do you do
>it in bash?
Not completely in bash, but...
dir=`echo $PATH | tr \: \<space>`; for i in $dir; do echo $i; done
Use an actual ' ' as the second argument to tr, btw. Those are
backquotes, not single quotes.
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From: "John Tulabing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Get the Red Hat 7.0 iso's here
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 19:54:14 -0700
Did you try any of the European sites?
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