Linux-Misc Digest #311, Volume #26 Tue, 14 Nov 00 19:13:02 EST
Contents:
3DLabs GVX1 under Redhat Linux 7.0 (XFree86 4.0.1) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: X-Windows trys to start and then crashes (mike)
Re: Looking for a moderated chat server to run on Linux (Igor)
Program to convert Unix file format to DOS / Windows format. (mike)
Re: Start Linux on 386 (Olaf Zaplinski)
Account Synch without LDAP ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Start Linux on 386 (Robert Kiesling)
Re: cannot open /dev/lp0 - Permission denied (henk van der knaap)
Re: paging for the sake of fs cache (Olaf Zaplinski)
Re: Program to convert Unix file format to DOS / Windows format. (Paul Floyd)
Re: Looking for a moderated chat server to run on Linux ("Lopo")
Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years? (James Hutchins)
Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years? (James Hutchins)
Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years? (James Hutchins)
ppp dialup does not work ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years? (James Hutchins)
Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years? (Matthias Warkus)
Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years? (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Amount of time Linux is running (Robert Kiesling)
Re: Program to convert Unix file format to DOS / Windows format. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: FreeDialup for Linux? (Dave Nash)
Re: Program to convert Unix file format to DOS / Windows format. (Dave Nash)
Re: Need to run fsck on the / partition and need help (Jim Broughton)
Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years? (Jerry L Kreps)
Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years? ("Garry Knight")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: 3DLabs GVX1 under Redhat Linux 7.0 (XFree86 4.0.1)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:03:17 GMT
Does anybody work it out? The screen is flicking. My monitor is
ViewSonic G773, I set it as 1024x768 at 24 bits.
Thanks in advance.
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From: mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: X-Windows trys to start and then crashes
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 21:19:48 GMT
I have at least a gigabyte of space left and 80megs of system ram
and at least 120megs swap space. What is the relevance of
the amount of disk space to the X-Windows crash?
Thanks
Mike
Lori Holder-Webb wrote:
> How much space is available on your disk?
>
> mike wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > I am running Redhat 6.1 on a 386 type machine a NexGen 586, I am
> > told.
> > The error message I get is the following
> > -FontTransocketUNIXConnect: can't connect" errno = 111
> > failed to set default font 'unix/:-1'
> > Fatal server error:
> > could not open default font 'fixed'
> > X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown)
> >
> > Thanks
> > Mike
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Igor)
Crossposted-To: alt.www.webmaster
Subject: Re: Looking for a moderated chat server to run on Linux
Date: 14 Nov 2000 22:17:39 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
let me know when you find out!
igor
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
* Greetings,
*
* I'd like to run a chat server on a Linux box. The chat will be
* moderated. I have come across iChat and Parachat, but these appear
* to be quite expensive. Are there any low-cost/free software packages
* available?
*
* Thanks,
* Jon
*
*
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From: mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Program to convert Unix file format to DOS / Windows format.
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 21:11:03 GMT
Hi ,
I just saw a request on this list for a program to convert DOS files
to Unix.
I would like a program to convert Unix format to DOS
Thanks
Mike
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From: Olaf Zaplinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Start Linux on 386
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 23:20:58 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Please help me with my first steps .... ;-)
>
> I want to install Linux on 386 computer
> right now now it have msdos 6 (8 MB ram, 1.4 floppy, 40 mb HD, modem,
> mouse, keyboard) [...]
Forget it. My Pentium 120 MHz/16 MB notebook is so slow under Linux when it
has to run X and that memory monster (Netscape) that I prefer to boot
Windows when I need a GUI and HTTP. Shame on me... ;-) But in text mode,
it's quite fine to work with it. BTW, the harddisk seems to be too small
also.
Olaf
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Account Synch without LDAP
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:16:18 GMT
Is there any piece(s) of software out there that allow you to create an
account on different machines automagically, as soon as one is created
on the master. What we need to do is, if someone creates accounts on
one machine, then have demons or what ever create duplicate accounts on
other machines. Using LDAP or NIS is not suitable because they are
just for authentication of user accounts. The servers need
syncronus USER accounts IE so they have mail and home dirs on the
servers etc.
Thanks
Nigel Thompson
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Subject: Re: Start Linux on 386
From: Robert Kiesling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:38:40 GMT
Olaf Zaplinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > Please help me with my first steps .... ;-)
> >
> > I want to install Linux on 386 computer
> > right now now it have msdos 6 (8 MB ram, 1.4 floppy, 40 mb HD, modem,
> > mouse, keyboard) [...]
>
> Forget it. My Pentium 120 MHz/16 MB notebook is so slow under Linux when it
> has to run X and that memory monster (Netscape) that I prefer to boot
> Windows when I need a GUI and HTTP. Shame on me... ;-) But in text mode,
> it's quite fine to work with it. BTW, the harddisk seems to be too small
> also.
That's about it. Installing memory on a notebook is too expensive to
make it worthwhile in many cases. Most current versions of Linux
don't scale down very well, either. You might have better luck with
an older version of Linux, that has the 2.0 kernel.
--
Robert Kiesling
Linux FAQ Maintainer
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From: henk van der knaap <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: cannot open /dev/lp0 - Permission denied
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 00:45:39 +1300
On Tue, 14 Nov 2000, Gerald Pollack wrote:
> I've screwed up printing on my system (Mandrake 7.0; I stupidly did 'rmmod
> ppa' while it was in the midst of printing something). I've reinstalled
> the kernel from the rpm on the distribution CD, and I've uninstalled and
> reinstalled LPRng, rhs-printfilters, and printtool. I can't print the
> printtool test page; when I try to, it's spooled, but nothing happens at
> the printer. When I do 'lpq' I get the message shown as the subject.
> Listing /dev/lp0 shows the following:
> crw-rw---- 1 root daemon 6, 0 May 5 1998 lp0
>
> Can someone tell me what's wrong?
> Thanks,
> --
> G. Pollack
> Dept. of Biology, McGill Univ.
>
>
Dear Gerald,
Try chmod 666 /dev/lp0. You should have root account access!
Regards
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From: Olaf Zaplinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: paging for the sake of fs cache
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 23:43:54 +0100
Paul Kimoto wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Olaf Zaplinski wrote:
> > I have 128 MB here. "free" says:
> > [...]
> It does take some extra time to swap _out_ all those pages, but (since
> there is so much in cache) I'd think that these pages hardly ever need to
> be swapped back _in_. You can use top(1) to investigate which processes
> have been swapped out.
>
> --
> Paul Kimoto
Oh yes, it swaps pages *in*. Every time I close vmware (yes, I know, it
needs a lot of memory) and start another program, e.g. Netscape or xterm.
The free output I sent here was the one when vmware and Netscape (and X, of
course) are all running.
Olaf
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Floyd)
Subject: Re: Program to convert Unix file format to DOS / Windows format.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 23:12:27 GMT
On Tue, 14 Nov 2000 21:12:43 GMT, mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi ,
> I just saw a request on this list for a program to convert DOS files
>to Unix.
> I would like a program to convert Unix format to DOS
unix2dos
It's widely available on the net.
Regards
Paul
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From: "Lopo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.www.webmaster
Subject: Re: Looking for a moderated chat server to run on Linux
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:57:33 -0000
Reply-To: "Lopo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Look into http://www.webpost.net
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news:8usbtr$ogr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Greetings,
>
> I'd like to run a chat server on a Linux box. The chat will be
> moderated. I have come across iChat and Parachat, but these appear
> to be quite expensive. Are there any low-cost/free software packages
> available?
>
> Thanks,
> Jon
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (James Hutchins)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.x,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years?
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 18:06:18 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I hope that the two projects merge in the future in a language less
> > sucky than either C or C++.
>
> Agreed. They should write it in Java. That way, KDE and GNOME could run on
> an array of embedded applications (such as the Palm pilot). We'll
> see a lot less of Windows CE. I'm tired of seeing Windows CE running on
> embedded applications.
>
> - Donn
>
Java? Please, NO! I have a NEED for SPEED!! I don't think even hotspot can
make up for the performance hit I'd take with java. When doing complex
analyses on up to 10 gigs of byte-sized time series data, even a 15% speed
hit is significant. So why accept it when you can just use C++?
--J
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (James Hutchins)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.x,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years?
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 18:08:49 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Kjetil Torgrim Homme
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
> > The one thing I think is silly about the current open source mentality
> > is that many of them, particularly the gnome people, are passionately
> > anti-c++.
>
> * No standards for name mangling, leading to backwards compatibility
> horrors.
> * Very hard to make bindings to languages other than C++.
> * You can easily make a C++ binding for a C framework, so why not do
> it the other way around?
>
> The Unix ABI is based on C. Live with it.
>
>
> Kjetil T.
I see this as a non issue. I use C++, why should I worry about binding to
something other than C++ when the whole Qt/KDE environment makes it
unnecessary?
Thanks
--J
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (James Hutchins)
Subject: Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years?
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 18:19:27 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> It was the Mon, 13 Nov 2000 01:31:03 +0000...
> ...and Garry Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I understand that Borland Inprise have done some kind of deal with
> > Trolltech to incorporate QT into their Kylix project, but don't quote
> > me on it as I've forgotten the details. There should be something about
> > it somewhere on their site. If Kylix takes off maybe it will breathe
> > new life into QT.
>
> Kylix is also getting GNOME support (GTK+ support, that is). At least
> I think that's what'll happen, since Borland are pondering to release
> the Kylix source code to the GNOME Foundation.
>
> mawa
They just did that. Read it somewhere, can't remember where.
--J
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: ppp dialup does not work
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 23:23:40 GMT
About two months ago I started using a "DosLinux" and I decided here
recently that I liked Linux enough to switch to the real thing. Since
my DosLinux was based on Slackware, I went to the FTP site for
Slackware and downloaded Slackware 7.1. Since I was using the real
thing, I of course had to reformat or repartition my hard drive. I
chose the former, but did not back up the necessary files from the
DosLinux image file :(. I had PPP working on the previous system, but I
am having problems getting it reconfigured on Slackware. I used the
pppsetup script that was on the disks I made, and then when I type ppp-
go I get the message "serial link established: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS14".
The /dev/ttyS14 part of that is correct, because I am using the Lucent
winmodem driver. After the message comes up, I have about ten seconds
until the computer freezes with the message "kernel panic: attempted to
kill idle task!". In those ten seconds, I can type "ifconfig" and see
that the PPP link is not there. Has anyone had this problem or know
what the problem might be? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Andrew J. Barr
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (James Hutchins)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years?
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 18:23:26 -0500
Thought those of you here reading this thread might like to see a message
in it on the solaris group.
I have been chastised for cross posting and will be more careful. I
thought 4 groups was OK, but...
Anyway, here it is. Wonder if it covers Qt as well. Ironic MS is suing
over what amounts to look and feel...
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Henrik Keiler
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> James Hutchins wrote:
>
> > Remember how Motif became the darling and crowded out all of its
> > competitors within very few years? Is that what will happen with GTK+ and
> > Qt?
>
> GTK+ is history.
> Microsoft is planning a massive lawsuit against GTK+ authors and Gnome
> fondation starting in Q1/2001. They claim that GTK+ violates both US
> patents (we don't care about software patents here in europe, but...)
> and their intellectual property (even europe cares about that !!).
> Shipping a product based on GTK+ will be dangerous - if this lawsuit
> will be won by microsoft (and GTK+ _is_ violating their patents - that
> is the primary problem: M$ has patents covering what GTK+ does... ;-(( )
> all vendors who are using GTK+ and GTK+-based products (Gnome) will have
> to pay license fees.
> I won't recomment using GTK+ until these "issues" have been solved -
> otherwise you may have to pay many $$ to M$... ;-(
>
> --
>
> Henrik Keiler - Starfury pilot :-)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.x,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years?
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 23:51:12 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the 14 Nov 2000 19:53:48 GMT...
...and Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> For example, ORBit still only supports C, so all
> languages besides C are left out of the CORBA framework.
There are extensions for ORBit to support at least Python and C++ if I
recall correctly.
mawa
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.x,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years?
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 23:49:58 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the 14 Nov 2000 09:16:56 -0600...
...and [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I hope that the two projects merge in the future in a language less
> > sucky than either C or C++.
>
> Agreed. They should write it in Java. That way, KDE and GNOME could run on
> an array of embedded applications (such as the Palm pilot).
They already do without Java (essentially, all you need is a platform
that runs Linux, and most embedded systems do).
mawa
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Subject: Re: Amount of time Linux is running
From: Robert Kiesling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 23:41:58 GMT
Andy Kinsey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I know there's a command to type which will show how long a Linux box
> has been running, but I can't remember what it is (and I looked in all
> of my documentation). Can anyone help jog my feeble memory???
The command is "uptime," I think. I know what you mean... in one
ear and out the other, if it isn't immediately relevant. If I'm
wrong about the command name, you could probably do a search
on freshmeat.net.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Program to convert Unix file format to DOS / Windows format.
Date: 14 Nov 2000 18:42:30 -0500
mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi ,
> I just saw a request on this list for a program to convert DOS files
> to Unix.
> I would like a program to convert Unix format to DOS
See if you have one installed. Many distributions come with something like
"todos" and "fromdos" and "tofrodos" or "dos2unix" or whatever.
It's easy enough to write a script for it, too...
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From: Dave Nash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: FreeDialup for Linux?
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 23:43:39 +0000
J wrote:
> Does anyone know of Free Dialup Service for Linux?
Are you talking about an ISP? Most use standard PPP with CHAP or PAP, even
if they say you need a Windows or a CD. Ask for the connection details, or
install on Win and copy the details from the dial-up networking icon.
Dave
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From: Dave Nash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Program to convert Unix file format to DOS / Windows format.
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 23:47:56 +0000
mike wrote:
> I would like a program to convert Unix format to DOS
If you mean text files, and if you have Windows, open the file in
Wordpad/Write.
Alternatively some Unices (eg Solaris) have "dos2unix" or "unix2dos". My
Mandrake 7.1 doesn't have it installed but that doesn't mean you can't get
it for Linux.
Dave
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From: Jim Broughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Need to run fsck on the / partition and need help
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 23:54:03 GMT
"Brian E. Parker" wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> At my previous job, I had a Redhat 6.2 box set up that handled a small
> amount of mail, ran a few majordomo lists, and did some web serving. This
> weekend, the people there unpluged the box on accident and it won't boot
> normally because of some errors on /dev/hda8, which just happens to be the /
> partition.
>
> From what they are tlling me over the phone, this is what is happening.
> They turn the machine on, and it gets to LILO: then tries to boot the
> kernal. It runs the pre-check on /dev/hda8 ( I had him look at the
> /etc/fstab to find out what partition that is, and it's the root / ) and has
> a problem. From what he says, it takes him to a point where he can type in
> the root password and get to a command-line ( a "pwd" showed /root ) and
> tells him he can run fsck manually or hit ^D to kill the shell. I get him
> to the command-line with the root password and we tried running fsck with
> different parameters, but it doesn't seem to fix it because after a reboot,
> it takes him right back to the password prompt after giving the same error
> messages when trying to do the initial fsck on /dev/hda8.
>
> What options should I run on fsck to get it to fix the root partition? If
> this isn't the correct way to approach this problem, what is?
>
> None of the data on this machine is real critical, but it would be nice for
> them to get it back up and running the way it was, because noone there has
> the know-how to reinstall and get majordomo running.
>
> Any help is appreciated. I'm not on-site where the machine is, so if it
> takes a couple days to get back to any questions you may have, it's because
> I have to call them and talk them through anything you guys suggest.
>
> TIA,
> -BEP
You need to run fsck with NO parameters. Answer yes to all
questions reguarding the fixing of inodes and such. Running
fsck with no parameters puts it in interactive mode.
Here is a small snippet from the fsck man page.
NAME
fsck - check and repair a Linux file system
SYNOPSIS
fsck [ -sACVRTNP ] [ -t fstype ] [--] [ fsck-options ] filesys [ ... ]
DESCRIPTION
fsck is used to check and optionally repair a one or more Linux file
systems. filesys can
be a device name (e.g. /dev/hdc1, /dev/sdb2), a mount point (e.g. /, /usr,
/home), or an
ext2 label or UUID specifier (e.g.
UUID=8868abf6-88c5-4a83-98b8-bfc24057f7bd or
LABEL=root). The fsck program will try to run filesystems on different
physical disk drives
in parallel to reduce total amount time to check all of the filesystems.
So run fsck like this
fsck -r /
will interactivly check the root partition.
--
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(The Amiga OS! Now there was an OS)
If Sense were common everyone would have it!
Following Air and Water the third most abundant
thing on the planet is Human Stupidity.
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From: Jerry L Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.x,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years?
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:55:21 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
James Hutchins wrote:
> Remember how Motif became the darling and crowded out all of its
> competitors within very few years? Is that what will happen with GTK+ and
> Qt?
>
> I was about to switch from Motif to Qt, but have gotten advice from
> several sources suggesting Qt failed to get adopted as the darling of the
> unix community and GTK+ has succeeded, so Qt will not be around, or will
> be a hanger-on.
>
> Seems like when a tool doesn't "win", all kinds of things happen, like
> ancilliary tools don't get developed for it, it isn't kept up with new
> developments, good books about it (and about using various tools in
> conjunction with it, like databases, graphics libraries, etc.) don't
> appear, etc.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Jim
There is a fine discussion taking place under this thread!
Personally, I have switched to C++ and Qt. The Qt toolkit is well thought
out and well engineered. Being based on an object language it is object
oriented too. I see C++ as the natural successor to C in the evolution of
that language paradigm. The KDevelop application makes using C++ and
Qt a snap, if you understand the object oriented event-driven paradigm.
It will be/is a lot easier and quicker bring applications to fuition with
Qt. At SorceForge there are 323 new KDE apps in development now, and
about 800 app alread out there.
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From: "Garry Knight" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: True GTK+ will eliminate Qt in next few years?
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 23:57:43 +0000
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In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> It was the Mon, 13 Nov 2000 01:31:03 +0000...
> ...and Garry Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I understand that Borland Inprise have done some kind of deal with
>> Trolltech to incorporate QT into their Kylix project
>
> Kylix is also getting GNOME support (GTK+ support, that is). At least
> I think that's what'll happen, since Borland are pondering to release
> the Kylix source code to the GNOME Foundation.
I hope so. There's room enough for GTK+ and QT, GNOME and KDE.
--
Garry Knight
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