Linux-Misc Digest #532, Volume #26 Tue, 12 Dec 00 16:13:01 EST
Contents:
Backup scheme for RedHat 7 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Is Linux/Mandrake good? (Andrew Purugganan)
Re: host name lookup failure????? (Michael Heiming)
cdrecord needs ROOT permission (Kevin E Cosgrove)
Re: (Newbie) Mandrake 7.2 less buggy than Red Hat 7.0? (Sinner from the Prairy)
Re: Access like database for Linux (Dustin Puryear)
Re: What is the difference? (dixon)
Re: Is Linux/Mandrake good? (Sinner from the Prairy)
How I can do this? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: XF86Config-4 and kvideogen ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: (Newbie) Mandrake 7.2 less buggy than Red Hat 7.0? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Telnetd don't work ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
kernel questions ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Is Linux/Mandrake good? (Stanislaw Flatto)
linux raid questions ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: stream objects ("D. Stimits")
Re: cdrecord and symlinks (Ming He)
Re: cdrecord and symlinks (Ming He)
folder size (marc)
Re: Kernel sees only part of memory (Ming He)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Backup scheme for RedHat 7
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 18:57:15 GMT
I just purchased a P3-800 Dell and I am getting ready to put RedHat 7
on it. I am trying to decide on a good backup scheme and would like
input. The two scenarios I'm leaning toward are as follows:
1) Get an IDE tape drive and make a bootable backup (is this possible?)
2) Get another hard drive and somehow make a bootable backup from this
as well.
I would like to point out that I would like to do this backup once/week
and I would like to backup my system files as well as my data files. I
would prefer something within RedHat so I don't have to go out and buy
any more software or at least something relatively cheap. Thanks in
advance.
John Callicotte
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Purugganan)
Subject: Re: Is Linux/Mandrake good?
Date: 12 Dec 2000 18:58:23 GMT
Matthew B ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
[ Well, anyone?......any thoughts????
[ Is linux/mandrake any good?
[ AND is there something wrong with RH7 or is it just me?
[ I have had version 5.2 through to 7. thats when the troubles started....now
[ i,m checking out this so called MDK
mandrake is easy enough & friendly enough. I frequented mandrakeuser.org
whenever I was having trouble
But you better describe to us what sort of troubles you're having,
otherwise you could be changing distros for the wrong reasons
--
jazz
Registered linux user no. 164098 +--+--+--+ Litestep user no. 386
Doesn't it bother you, that we have to search for intelligent life
--- OUT THERE??
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Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 20:04:16 +0100
From: Michael Heiming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: host name lookup failure?????
Hello,
/etc/resolv.conf should look like:
search <.your_local_domain_if_you_have_one>
nameserver <IP of primary DNS server>
nameserver <IP of secondary DNS server>
nameserver <and so on>
For more info lookup man resolv.conf
Good luck
Michael Heiming
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi, I am trying to connect to the Net via my newly installed Linux box
> (debian 2.1 with a 14.4K modem).
>
> I am using the wvdial app called from root to get the pppd running,
> and it does seem to be working, because these are the status messages I
> get:
>
> Iniitalizing modem
> sending AT2
> AT2
> OK
> Sending ATQ8...[a bunch of other stuff...]
> modem initialized
> waiting for carrier
> ATDT 7135538649
> Waiting for carrier
> ATDT 7135548649
> CONNECT 9600
> carrier detected. Waiting for prompt
> PPP negotiation detected
> Starting PPPD at tues, dec...
> ...
>
> The modem sounds fine when it connects. Very normal.
>
> then it just blocks, so I go to another "virtual window" using alt-f2
> and get another root prompt and I try to get lynx running, but it
> always comes up with
> "host name lookup failure". Same thing for FTP.
>
> When I use control-c to kill pppd, I can hear the modem disconnecting;
> it all sounds fine.
>
> I figure this might have something to do with DNS, so I looked for the
> etc/resolv.cong file and there was none, and so I created it and it
> contains only the following two lines:
> ....
>
> domain mylinuxisp.com <--the name of my ISP
> nameserver 294.251.209.8, 204.251.209.9 <-ISP info
>
> ....
> Any clues as to what I need to do?
>
> I do not have X windows running. I don't need it, and I know nothing
> about the video card of this old P-120 computer. I just wanted to be
> able to get lynx runnig or FTP or telnet, or to make a Perl HTTP client
> work.
>
> Thanks
>
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Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake,comp.os.linux.security
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kevin E Cosgrove)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: cdrecord needs ROOT permission
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 19:28:08 GMT
I've previously had success with X-CD-Roast 0.96e and cdrecord
1.6.1 on Redhat 5.1. Now I'm trying to use the same X-CD-Roast
with cdrecord 1.8.1 on Mandrake 7.02. I get these errors unless
I set the SUID bit on cdrecord, which is owned by root:
prompt> cdrecord -v speed=4 blank=all dev=0,03,00
Cdrecord 1.8.1 (i586-mandrake-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2000 J�rg Schilling
TOC Type: 1 = CD-ROM
cdrecord: Operation not permitted. WARNING: Cannot do mlockall(2).
cdrecord: WARNING: This causes a high risk for buffer underruns.
cdrecord: Operation not permitted. WARNING: Cannot set RR-scheduler
cdrecord: Operation not permitted. WARNING: Cannot set priority using nice().
cdrecord: WARNING: This causes a high risk for buffer underruns.
cdrecord: Operation not permitted. shmctl failed to lock shared memory segment
So, what's the RIGHT solution to this problem? SUID is
potentially bad for security reasons. Certainly nice() needs
to be root. When burning a CD I can see the need to increase
the process priority to keep the FIFO full. So, maybe root
permissions are justified. Is there a more secure way to
implement root permissions than the SUID bit?
Thanks....
--
Unless otherwise noted, the statements herein reflect my personal
opinions and not those of any organization with which I may be affiliated.
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From: Sinner from the Prairy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: (Newbie) Mandrake 7.2 less buggy than Red Hat 7.0?
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 14:37:12 +0000
Jeff Susanj wrote:
> As far as bugs, I have been running RedHat 7.0 for a month or so and I
> haven't seen any major problems. Also, their web site has been
> providing fixes regularly so that if there are problems in the basic
> distribution they are quickly being repaired. I have not been able to
> install Mandrake on my system since it is not a pentium but an AMD 586
> and thus Mandrake is not compatible.
You can try Mandrake 7.02 version compiled for 486. It should work.
I use my Mandrake 7.2 with an AMD K6-2.
> Jeff S.
Salut,
Sinner
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dustin Puryear)
Subject: Re: Access like database for Linux
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 19:42:40 GMT
On Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:48:14 +0100, Nils Zonneveld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Dustin Puryear wrote:
>
>> I doubt you will be able to just move the Access database from Windows to Linux
>> since Access uses VB for Access and so has a language all it's own when writing
>> applications.
>>
>
>Importing the data from MS-Access to for instance PostgreSQL is quite
>easily done. With ODBC you can attach the postgreSQL tables in your
>access database and read out everything from your MS Access tables into
>PostgreSQL from MS Access.
Yes, that's easy.. but most Access databases are not just data but a lot of
other good stuff as well. Like VB for Access code. This doesn't run on Linux.
>You can then still use MS Access as a front end and at the same time
>share your data among other platforms/development environments.
But then he isn't running off Linux but Windows. In my experience when somebody
ask for something "Access-like" they aren't asking to store data but for the
whole enchilada.
Regards, Dustin
--
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Integrate Linux Solutions into Your Windows Network
- http://www.prima-tech.com/integrate-linux
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From: dixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What is the difference?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 19:42:50 GMT
On Mon, 11 Dec 2000 21:11:10 GMT, Harlan Grove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>In article <9133nc$vuu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Keith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>What is the difference between Publishers, Standard, and Professinal
>>Edition of Linux?
>
>Which distribution? Several companies each provide several editions of
>Linux. Some of the major companies are Red Hat, SuSE, Caldera, Debian,
>Slackware, Mandrake, Corel, . . .
>
It's always a pleasure to see a helpful, no-nonsense response......
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From: Sinner from the Prairy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is Linux/Mandrake good?
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 14:44:34 +0000
Matthew B wrote:
> Well, anyone?......any thoughts????
> Is linux/mandrake any good?
For me, yes. I've tried 7.0, 7.02, 7.1, 7.2beta, 7.2 and it's always
have been a nice experience.
Easy to install, "RedHat-friendly"... but more polished (I think).
> AND is there something wrong with RH7 or is it just me?
Looks that they left some "undesired features" that never shouldn't have
gone with a non-beta release. But nearly all X.0 RedHats have been a
little "crincky".
> I have had version 5.2 through to 7. thats when the troubles started....now
> i,m checking out this so called MDK
Try it. You will not be disapointed. Check their web site for a tutorial
on the installation process (quite simple, even the "expert mode" is
quite simple.... so I install it with expert mode). Lots of stuff
greatly configured (got a CD-RW? you'll love it then). It cames with
some USB support (they kernel has been patched woth usb-backport patch).
Also, try the Mandrake Users Webring for specific help:
http://www.mandrakeuser.org/ring.html or the newsgroup
news:alt.os.linux.mandrake
Salut,
Sinner
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: How I can do this?
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 19:45:00 GMT
Bonsoir � tous,
For installation of Oracle on my machine with 512 meg of RAM, on RH 6.2,
I must change "#define SHMMAX 0x2000000" of
/usr/src/linux/include/asm/shmparam.h file, rebuilt my kernel.
1- what is the value I must set instead of "0x2000000" corresponding to
512 meg. of RAM?
2- I'm confused about the recompilation process!
Suppose I want to maintain my actual kernel 2.2.14, when building
recompilation steps using e.g. "xconfig, menuconfig,...": what I must
select, activate or answer by "YES" in the rebuilt process to allow
changments in "shmparam.h" to be take into account in the new kernel?
3- If I want by this occasion upgrade to "kernl 2.2.18, how this will
happened? I must search "shmparam.h" in the new untar "kernel 2.2.18"
and set in it my new value, recompile, or what to do?
Thanks
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: XF86Config-4 and kvideogen
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 19:51:56 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I ran across this too. What is happening is that X is looking at the
XF86Config-4 instead of the XF86Config.
Delete the XF86Config-4 and X will then look at the XF86Config.
Both files do the same thing. It is just the Mandrake happened to
release with the -4 file in place.
Cheers,
Charles
On Tue, 12 Dec 2000 09:15:49 -0600, "Phil R Lawrence"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>kvideogen is a program that generates text (ModeLines) for inserting into
>your XF86Config. I did this in an attempt to increase the refresh rate for
>my monitor under xwindows.
>
>However, nothing was different. Does this have anthing to do with the
>XF86Config-4 file that is also in /etc/X11? I have Mandrake 7.2. Perhaps
>the XF86Config is not actually being used in thei dist? Can anyone shed
>some light on this issue?
>
>Thanks,
>Phil R Lawrence
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: (Newbie) Mandrake 7.2 less buggy than Red Hat 7.0?
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 19:54:28 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I agree. Mandrake 7.2 is a better distro.
On Mon, 11 Dec 2000 21:02:01 +0000, Sinner from the Prairy
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Garry Heaton wrote:
>
>> I'm about to select my first Linux/UNIX OS and have narrowed-down the choice
>> to Mandrake 7.2 or Red Hat 7.0. I've heard Red Hat 7.0 is buggy. Is Mandrake
>> therefore more stable? Are there any significant differences between the 2?
>> I tend towards the ease of use end of the spectrum as I want to concentrate
>> on Perl development not OS expertise.
>
>I say go Mandrake 7.2 all the way.
>
>Choose "development install" for your needs.
>
>> Also, can I run Apache for desktop development with both of these options? I
>> read somewhere that Mandrame 7.2 is designed for the desktop, not the
>> server, but I understand by this that I will still be able to use it as a
>> desktop development environment with Apache but not as a server machine.
>> Please correct if this isn't the case.
>
>Both have Apache. If the default "development" install doesn't provide
>you with a working apache, then, install it and configure it graphicaly.
>
>Go to http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en and http://www.mandrakeuser.org
>for more info.
>
>
>> Thanks
>> Garry Heaton
>
>
>
>Salut,
>Sinner
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Telnetd don't work
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 19:56:05 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Make sure telnetd is installed.
By default, it does not install on Mandrake.
On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 01:05:51 +0800, Carfield Yim
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Alexei Kichkine wrote:
>
>> Carfield Yim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>>
>>> After installing mandrake, I find that my telnetd don't work. I have
>>> check inetd.conf, there is should no problem. Where can I find common
>>> problem and solution of telnetd??
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The problem of my telnetd is after showing the Escape character, it
>>> don't prompt the use input name and passwd but just quit:
>>>
>>>
>>> Trying 127.0.0.1...
>>> Connected to localhost.localdomain.
>>> Escape character is '^]'.
>>> Connection closed by foreign host.
>>>
>>>
>>> How can I solve?
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> check if telnet granted in /etc/hosts.allow and doesn't denied in /etc/hosts.deny
>
>
>Both file are blank, can you tech me how do I set?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux.mandrake,alt.os.linux.slackware,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.dev.kernel
Subject: kernel questions
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 20:05:10 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have a couple of questions.
What is a backport?
What patch goes with what kernel? i.e. Does patch-2.2.18 update kernel
2.2.17 or 2.2.18?
best regards,
charles
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From: Stanislaw Flatto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is Linux/Mandrake good?
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 07:17:15 +0000
Matthew B wrote:
> Well, anyone?......any thoughts????
>
> Is linux/mandrake any good?
Hi there!
It's 05:15 in the morning so the "thoughts?????" are not yet awake.
As to your second question - good for WHAT????
If you sit by single user box and have it perform the functions that you need,
that is why you invested in computer for starters, right???
If you want to chase advertisements wars of the kind "I am the best
OS/Distro/Software" and try them all
then you have a lifetime project.
But either way Linux is fun.
--
Stanislaw
Linux counter No.162760
Slak user from Ulladulla.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux.mandrake,alt.os.linux.slackware,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.dev.kernel
Subject: linux raid questions
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 20:15:32 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I am running Raid 1 on a Dual Pentium II 400 with 2 IDE drives and
have a few questions for anyone that knows. The distro is Mandrake 7.2
and I am running the stock 2.2.17-21 kernel that came with the distro.
Should I upgrade the kernel to 2.2.18? If so, does it require raid
patching?
What is the best way to change chunk sizes in a raid array?
Are there other parameters that can be changed for tuning purposes?
What is the best benchmark tool for ata harddisk io testing? i.e. is
bonnie good or should I use something better?
What are the best ways to recover from a power failure where the
filesystems do not unount cleanly?
If I am booting raid 1, which I am, how can I unmount /dev/md0 and
/dev/md1 in order to run e2fsck on harddrive partitions?
Thanks for any answers to the above.
Charles
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Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 13:49:49 -0700
From: "D. Stimits" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: stream objects
Cekir wrote:
>
> Linker doesn't find stream objects methods (fstream, iostream, etc.) The
> error is "undefined reference...". It probably needs a library, bat which
> one? And where should I look for such information - man doesn't find
> anything about it, apropos too.
>
> And By the way, why are the copying constructors of the stream classes
> private? If I need to use them, may I just change the header, or should I do
> something else?.
>
> Thank you for any suggestions.
> Cekir.
More information is probably needed. Are you using g++? What linux
distribution (Redhat 6.2, Slackware, etc)? Did you #include <iostream> ?
Does the error occur at object compile, or linking stage?
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Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:49:58 -0500
From: Ming He <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: cdrecord and symlinks
I was trying to install "cdrecord - mkisofs" RPM on redhat 6.2.
I received this message:
depending on ld.so.1 is not available.
I have /lib/ld.so. So is ld.so.1 a symbolic link to /lib/ld.so?
Thanks,
/ming
Timo Benk wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 10 Dec 2000 15:49:54 GMT, Dances With Crows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >On 10 Dec 2000 13:25:52 GMT, Timo Benk staggered into the Black Sun and said:
> >>Is it possible to make a cd image with symlinks and attributes like an
> >>ext2fs.
> >
> >Check the man page for "mkisofs" and look at the -R and -r options. The
> >Rock Ridge extensions allow smylinks, ownership, permissions, long
> >filenames, and more than 8 levels of subdirectories. Symlinks could be
> >useful; file ownership and any permission mode other than 555 are
> >usually more trouble than they're worth. You can actually burn an ext2
> >filesystem onto a CD, but only a Linux box will be able to read it then.
> RTFM, I know. I skipped the -R when reading through the manpage 'cause
> somehow i thought it means recursive. Shame on me :-).
>
> -timo
>
> --
>
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Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:52:44 -0500
From: Ming He <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: cdrecord and symlinks
I was trying to install "cdrecord - mkisofs" RPM on redhat 6.2.
I received this message:
depending on ld.so.1 is not available.
I have /lib/ld.so. So is ld.so.1 a symbolic link to /lib/ld.so?
Thanks,
/ming
Timo Benk wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 10 Dec 2000 15:49:54 GMT, Dances With Crows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >On 10 Dec 2000 13:25:52 GMT, Timo Benk staggered into the Black Sun and said:
> >>Is it possible to make a cd image with symlinks and attributes like an
> >>ext2fs.
> >
> >Check the man page for "mkisofs" and look at the -R and -r options. The
> >Rock Ridge extensions allow smylinks, ownership, permissions, long
> >filenames, and more than 8 levels of subdirectories. Symlinks could be
> >useful; file ownership and any permission mode other than 555 are
> >usually more trouble than they're worth. You can actually burn an ext2
> >filesystem onto a CD, but only a Linux box will be able to read it then.
> RTFM, I know. I skipped the -R when reading through the manpage 'cause
> somehow i thought it means recursive. Shame on me :-).
>
> -timo
>
> --
>
> .-'~~~-.
> .'o oOOOo`. | Timo Benk
> ;~~~-.oOo o`. | Germany
> `. \ ~-. oOOo. | Registered Linux User #186431
> `.; / ~. OO: |
> .' ;-- `.o.' |
> ,' ; ~~--'~ | Fax/Voicemail: +49891488214215
> ; ; |
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From: marc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: folder size
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:01:58 +0100
Does anyone know a way to get the size of a folder and all its
subfolders even if it's very small let's say less than 100k. usualy I
use du but it doesn't work well if the folder is too small.
--marc
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Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:02:12 -0500
From: Ming He <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Kernel sees only part of memory
What if I'm not using LILO, I can get linux to recognize more than 64MB by
recompiling kernel?
/ming
E J wrote:
> Exchange your memory and get linux compatible memory. Just kidding :)
>
> put append="mem=256M" in your /etc/lilo.conf and execute lilo.
>
> $ su -
> password: <secret>
> # cp /etc/lilo.conf /etc/lilo.conf.bak # just in case you screw up.
> # vi /etc/lilo.conf # use your editor to modify lilo.conf
>
> # this is an example of lilo.conf
> boot=/dev/hda3
> map=/boot/map
> install=/boot/boot.b
> prompt
> timeout=50
> message=/boot/message
> linear
> default=dos
>
> image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.16-22
> label=linux
> read-only
> # here is the append line to add
> append="mem=256M"
> root=/dev/hda4
>
> other=/dev/hda1
> label=dos
>
> # /sbin/lilo
> # reboot # cross your fingers and 256M will be used.
>
> Peter Linde wrote:
>
> > Dear all,
> >
> > I am running RH Linux 7.0 on an HP Kayak, which has
> > 2x733 Mhz processors and 256 Mb of memory. I also run Windows 2000
> > from a separate disk. While booting Linux, the kernel reports and uses
> > only 64 Mb of
> > memory. Under Windows the entire memory is seen and used.
> >
> > Any hints?
> >
> > Peter Linde
> > Lund Observatory
> > Sweden
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