Linux-Misc Digest #958, Volume #26 Sun, 28 Jan 01 21:13:02 EST
Contents:
Medler: Deleted Library ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
copying /dev/* files (Patrick Machado)
Re: why can't i find any good GUI file managers? (John Hasler)
Re: Large .jpg files ("Joshua Beard")
Re: What - no WYSIWYG HTML editors?? (Robert Heller)
HELP: bootparam (non-modular kernel) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: how to remove lilo from MBA? (Michel Catudal)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Jim Richardson)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Bill Gates shot? (Michel Catudal)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Charlie Ebert)
Re: What - no WYSIWYG HTML editors?? (Robert Heller)
Re: Upgrading Red Hat 6.0 (Maybe to Slackware) (John Jensen)
HELP! Can't ls or rm directory / logrotate ("Roppy")
Redhat 6.2 : bash2 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: bash2 on Redhat6.2 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Medler: Deleted Library
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 23:57:38 GMT
I install glibc2.2 and then deleted my old library. I know big mistake. How
else can learn how to fix these things unless I break them first. I need to
reinstall ncurses, but I get a compile error. I am missing the header file
strstream.h. I've tryed to figure out where it original came from but I
can't. I highly doubt this is a bug in ncurses 5.2. Anyone know where or what
package the strstream.h file comes from.
Thanks for the help
Much Appreciated
Kevin
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From: Patrick Machado <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: copying /dev/* files
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 00:14:56 +0000
I want to buid a functional linux system in a floppy.
So, must put both a kernel and a compressed ramdisk image in the floppy
with dd.
assuming I can do this, at some point I need to create an ext2
filesystem on /dev/ram and mount it in /mnt/ramdisk.
Now I want to copy all the files I need to /mnt/ramdisk so that when I
umount it and dd it from /dev/ram to a file, I can compress the image
and put it in the floppy.
The problem arises when I atempt to copy the files located in /dev.
Does anybody know how to copy this special files to another dir?
thanx
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: why can't i find any good GUI file managers?
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 23:23:43 GMT
jim cason writes:
> I realize that you can do this with the cp command at the prompt, but the
> user who started the thread was looking for a GUI manager.
A GUI for cp? The mind boggles.
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Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI
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From: "Joshua Beard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Large .jpg files
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 18:32:15 -0600
Okay, when I use the 'file' command on the bloated .jpg file it says the
following:
file.jpg: PostScript document text conforming at level 3.0 - type EPS
Weird. It's a 4 MB file compared to the 200 kb it should be.
Josh.
> Joshua Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> Whenever certain programs save as .jpg the files is very large and will
>> not open, as if it's not really a .jpg file. Saving as .jpeg works
>> just fine, but not as .jpg. GIMP will save correctly, but apps such
>> as the Gnome screen shooter applet won't and neither will the command
>> "import
>> -w picture.jpg" This is on Mandrake 7.2. I've never had this problem
>> on any other distribution. Can somone provide any info? Thanks Josh.
>
> Hey,
>
> Try to figure out what kind of file is that .jpg file. Check out the man
> page for the 'file' command.
>
> Vilmos
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What - no WYSIWYG HTML editors??
Date: 28 Jan 2001 18:31:43 -0600
"Flacco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
In a message on Sun, 28 Jan 2001 02:55:59 -0500, wrote :
"> < incredibly long, laborious, common knowledge that is essentially
"> irrelevant to the original purpose of the thread but probably felt good to
"> get it off the poster's chest anyway snipped >
">
"> Are you intentionally missing the point of the original post, or at least
"> the clarified follow-up?
No, the *original* post (and the followup) wanted a *WYSIWYG* tool.
And someone wanted to know *why* it is not possible to to have a
*WYSIWYG* HTML editor tool.
">
"> Preach all you like; people want - and are going to use - visual design
"> tools. Not necessarily WYSIWYG in the strict definition of the term, but
"> they want to work with content in a more natural way than just laying out
"> reams of HTML code. And no, clever text editors that can color tags
"> different colors are not sufficient.
">
"> The table example illustrates this. If you're using an HTML table and you
"> want to move a region of the table to another part of the table, you have
"> some serious editing to do if you're working with a text editor. A visual
"> design tool would allow you to highlight a range of cells, and move the
"> contents elsewhere within the table without even thinking about it. (At
"> this point you will feel the urge to disparage anyone who can't expend the
"> mental energy to do this as underserving of an IP connection; please
"> restrain yourself. Some people have other things to do with their mental
"> energy, and squandering it on a mindless manual task like this is a waste of
"> time.)
Netscape's page editor does this. Not it is not *WYSIWYG*. But this
thread is about *WYSIWYG*. I have no problem with visual design tools
(I don't use them, but have nothing against them). I *do* have a
problem with the *crappy* web pages created by some *WYSIWYG* web page
design tools.
">
"> There are people who have the desire to use clean, standard HTML on their
"> websites, but they're not going to use a text editor to write it - period.
"> Responses like yours will simply prompt them to think "Yeah, well, screw
"> those egg-heads then. FrontPage it is, and let's see how much VBScript and
"> ActiveX I can cram into this baby."
">
"> I do not believe the assertion that it's technically impossible to produce a
"> graphical web page layout program that produces correct code. It doesn't
"> have to support every feature, and can purposely *not* support features that
"> would break HTML. It could have all kinds of dire warnings about how what
"> the user sees is not a pixel-for-pixel representation of what others will
"> see, and links to the sections in the bible or q'uran or whatever that
"> explicitly spell out which circle of hell is reserved for those who use
"> non-standard features. That's all fine. But surely it could handle the
"> majority of the grunt work that a casual user is faced with when designing a
"> web page.
I did not say it was not possible to create a visual design tool to
create good HTML. I did say it is not possible to create a *WYSIWYG*
design tool to create good HTML. Visual design != WYSIWYG.
">
"> The common response to this is "let them use a word processor and save the
"> resulting file as HTML". That's not what users want. They want a tool
"> specifically designed to edit and maintain websites. They want to be able
"> to toggle between the graphical layout and the HTML code in situ. And, to
"> make this Linux-relevant again, if they can't get these tools on Linux they
"> will use Windows.
">
"> You really are missing the forest for the trees (or tree). The issue is not
"> "do visual design tools produce correct HTML", the issue is "people *are
"> going to use* visual design tools; how can they be accommodated while
"> keeping the code on the web clean?".
No, the issue never was "do visual design tools produce correct HTML",
it was "Is there a WYSIWYG HTML editor that runs under Linux and why not?"
">
">
">
">
">
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Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,linux.redhat
Subject: HELP: bootparam (non-modular kernel)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 00:34:29 GMT
Hi,
I've decided to recompile my kernel (2.2.18) without module support
(compile the modules directly into the kernel). I understand that I
still need to pass the same infromation to the kernel at boot time that
it used to read from /etc/conf.modules. What is the syntax I should use
to translate my old "alias" and "options" /etc/conf.modules commands
into something lilo can use? For example, if I have
alias eth0 via-rhine
options cs4232 io=0x534 irq=5 dma=1 dma2=0 mpuio=0x330 mpuirq=11
in /etc/conf.modules, how should I change /etc/lilo.conf in non-modular
kernel to achieve the same result?
Also, is there anything that will not work in non-modular kernel that
used to work as a module? How about PnP (I have a Crystal Clear sound
card) ?
Thanks in advance!
Wroot
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From: Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: how to remove lilo from MBA?
Date: 28 Jan 2001 18:43:09 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] a �crit :
>
> I have a dell latitude laptop. previously has NT and Linux per dual-boot
> through Lilo. After I installed vmware for NT, I imported the linux
> partition as Linux guest. It worked fine until I reboot the PC. now I
> see only "Li" at prompt, can neither boot NT nor Linux.
>
> It seems I will have to reinstall linux, or is there a simpler solution?
> Since I want to use Linux as Guest OS, I will need to remove lilo from
> MBA. But how to do that?
>
You would have been better off installing vmware on Linux.
As for MBA what is it? Do you mean MBR?
I'm not sure how you clean the MBR on NT, if it is the same as OS/2
it would be fdisk /newmbr
if it is the same as dos
it would be fdisk /mbr
You could boot on Linux if you know which partition it is on
using the boot CD. You could then fix lilo by reloading it.
You should always have a boot on a diskette for case like this.
--
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 16:30:46 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 28 Jan 2001 15:49:07 -0500,
Aaron R. Kulkis, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>Jim Richardson wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 26 Jan 2001 19:10:20 -0500,
>> Aaron R. Kulkis, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> brought forth the following words...:
>>
<snip>
>> >> The US is a republic not a democracy. Kindly read the Federalist Papers
>> >> for the rationale behind not trusting the populace. It has a government
>> >> of laws, and the laws in the state of Florida were fairly clear, and
>> >> the polling stations had signs giving instructions that voters should
>> >> make sure that their ballots were punched through and to remove hanging
>> >> chads. And if they double-punched, they could ask for new ballot papers.
>> >>
>> >> Maybe there's a good reason for literacy tests after all.
>> >
>> >Personally, I think that EVERYONE in America should have to apply for
>> >citizenship, just like immigrants.
>> >
>> >How many of the "government owes me a paycheck for my mere existance"
>> >ignorami would be prevented from voting until they demonstrated an
>> >understanding of our history and Constitution in a Citizenship application.
>> >
>> >
>> >Odds are, the Demoncrooks would quit pandering to the lazy welfare
>> >crowd....as these idiots wouldn't EVER pass the requirements of
>> >citizenship if they weren't granted them by an unfortunate accident
>> >of birth.
>> >
>>
>> I'd sure like to see high schools requiring passing the citizenship test as
>> part of graduation... But make the teachers take it too.
>
>No need...as long as the teachers are prevented from voting until they
>do pass a citizenship test.
>
they still fill the heads of students with mush. Maybe if they knew more,
they'd know better...
--
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 01:05:55 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thaddeus L Olczyk) writes:
> On 26 Jan 2001 18:56:19 GMT, Steve Mading
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >The Linux kernel
> >was started by a Finn who since then has moved to California,
> >and today there are still a large number of US people involved,
> >including "Maddog" Hall (unofficially the second in command after
> >Linus, I would guess).
> Don't forget the kernel was based on the Minix kernel written by
> Tanenbaum. I believe he was American.
And some people believe that US taxation is illegal because they don't
have proper fringes on the flags in the IRS offices. Which does not
prevent the belief from being _nonsense_.
Look at a good biography of Andrew Tanembaum. Or perhaps at his
personal web page. <http://www.cs.vu.nl/~ast/>
How likely would you think it that "Vrije Universiteit" is an
educational institution in the United States, or perhaps Somewhere
Else?
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From: Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Bill Gates shot?
Date: 28 Jan 2001 19:13:04 -0600
Bill Unruh a �crit :
>
> In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve
>Ackman) writes:
>
> >http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/newsid_1135000/1135152.stm
>
> A mock documentary researching the "murder" of Microsoft
> chairman Bill Gates has upset the multi-millionaire but, like
> predecessor The Blair Witch Project, is making waves online,
> reports Maggie Shiels from Silicon Valley.
Despite the fact that I think that bill Gates is an asshole I think the
movie shows bad taste. That movie maker is a bigger asshole.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 01:15:18 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>"Joseph T. Adams" wrote:
>>
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> : Sorry, Open Source was essentially created by RMS, an American who followed
>> : his principles for something like 10+ years before Linus got on the
>> : bandwagon. Why do you people like to think the US never invents anything?
>>
>> That is incorrect. RMS has nothing to do with "Open Source," and
>> admits that free software predates him by a long time - he may have
>> popularized, written, and supported a great deal of it himself, but
>> the idea is at least as old as computing itself.
>>
>
>Back to the 1950's at least..
>
>
>> Joe
>
>
>--
>Aaron R. Kulkis
>Unix Systems Engineer
>DNRC Minister of all I survey
>ICQ # 3056642
>
Let me just GELL this down for everybody.
And I know AK knows this but this is for the
rest of you.
RMS has a gameplan and a philosophy.
Ray Krock had a gameplan and a philosophy.
When you develop a model such as the GPL
and you've talked this over with attorneys
and thought it thru with other developers
you stick to that model.
Open Source could mean anything!
It could mean anything tied with being able
to view the source code.
Copyrighted code can be opensource!
GPL'ed code is open source by nature
but the difference is it's FREE code
which can not legally return to a
copyrighted domain. Therefore RMS
invented the first TRUELY unrevokable
public domain license.
Remember the previous PDL's from the 70's
and 80's had problems in that those
PDL's would allow code to pass back
to copyrighted material. OR worse they
would be copyrighted material and the
PDL would be the last years release.
The GPL doesn't allow for time migrations
other than one way. Once software is
GPL'ed it stays GPL'ed.
It can't be PDL for a year then right
back to copyrighted material again.
There ARE some sources who copyright
code for 1 year then GPL it. But
these are one time products which
future private development is NOT
planned. You don't have this
scenerio like with BSD style licensing
where copyrighted versions are the
tip while the BSD'd version are
last years material.
Once a product is GPL'ed - future
development under a copyright is
impossible as it would violate
the GPL license requirements.
And since organizations like Debian
REQUIRE the correct GPL licensing
before the code is accepted to
the free sourced directory, you find
it very tuff to get your product into
the Linux market without GPL'ing it.
To do that, like Oracle does, would
mean that you have a standalone support
and distribution effort for all distributions.
This is *WHY* companies like IBM are welcomed
in the Linux community and not feared as
they play by the rules or they hit the road.
IBM's take on this is a mono-os which costs
little to make usable on all their systems
which benefits their customer base and
consolidates their users once again.
I am planning on buying an IBM portable.
They make the best portable in my opinion.
And they have an interest in developing
the OS I choose to run.
And this is something I couldn't have said
10 years ago.
Charlie
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What - no WYSIWYG HTML editors??
Date: 28 Jan 2001 19:15:08 -0600
"Lloyd Llewellyn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
In a message on Sun, 28 Jan 2001 17:38:53 GMT, wrote :
"L> > There presently is nothing that produces even being half-way WYSIWYG HTML out
"L> > there - because it doesn't exist. HTML is "hypertext markup language" - and
"L> > that's it. There are so many different interpretations of the de-facto-W3C
"L> > standard, that it is nowadays virtually impossible to claim that any editor
"L> > was capable of producing HTML-output that would exactly work the way the
"L> > designer meant it to be.
"L>
"L>
"L> This is from another article in this thread:
"L>
"L> > The W3C is the HTML standards body. Amaya is the W3C's testbed
"L> > browser/editor. Any HTML output by Amaya is W3C compliant.
"L> > (read "any-browser" compliant if you wish)
"L>
"L> Is this statement accurate?
"L>
"L> If so - great, put a usable front-end on Amaya, and you have a graphical web
"L> page design tool that outputs HTML
"L>
It still won't be WYSIWYG... Note that the problem is not so much that
the WYSIWYG put out non-compliant HTML, but that they put out *bad*
HTML, which *looks* BAD (is effectively unreadable) on some browsers. So
long as the tags match up (proper nesting) and non-standard tags are not
used, the output is 'compliant' -- this is *different* from HTML that
displays the *content* in a comprehendable fashion.
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From: John Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Upgrading Red Hat 6.0 (Maybe to Slackware)
Date: 29 Jan 2001 01:47:28 GMT
Brett Sheeran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
: Hi. I have Redhat 6.0 installed on a 1.2GB partition. I think there is about
: 200-300 MB of free space. (Purchasing another hard drive is not an option
: right now).
: I have just been given a copy of Slackware 7.1.
: The options I am considering are: [snip]
I wonder how you have been working with your red hat installation. As you
may know, red hat uses an rpm based package system. Slackware uses
something else. If you've been installing and uninstalling packages using
rpm, it might be easier to stay with an rpm-based distribution. I'm sure
there are ways to map the two packaging systems back and forth, but I'd
find it easier to stay with one or the other.
Personally, if I were going to try slack, I'd wipe the old and start
fresh.
John
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From: "Roppy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: HELP! Can't ls or rm directory / logrotate
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 14:27:23 +1300
I've got me a directory:
drw-r----- 3 root adm 5156864 Jan 29 00:47 news/
that (I presume) has so much stuff in it that it breaks ls
and rm. How do I get rid of it?
Maybe related to the whole this is logrotate. This takes a
long time to run, like 12+ hours, although I'm not sure it
has managed to finish before it runs out of memory. Just
what is it doing?
I hope somebody can help...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,linux.redhat
Subject: Redhat 6.2 : bash2
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 01:21:44 GMT
Hi
(Sorry if I'm repeating myself, my message didn't show up)
RH6.2 has 2 versions of bash:
bash-1.14.7-23.6x and bash2-2.03-8 (updated) These are essentially
separate shells: the former is in /bin/bash and the latter is in
/bin/bash2. System scripts use /bin/bash. I'm wondering if installing
the latest bash (in place of bash-1.14.7-23.6) will break things.
Thanks for the advice.
Wroot
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat
Subject: Re: bash2 on Redhat6.2
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 01:25:16 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Hal Burgiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Jan 2001 07:15:17 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >Redhat6.2 comes with two bash'es : /bin/bash and /bin/bash2
> >/bin/bash is the default. Should I install a recent bash-2 RPM that
will
> >probably overwrite /bin/bash or will it disrupt the system?
>
> I can't imagine it causing any serious problems. I used bash2 on 6.2.
I
> created a symlink. Worse comes to worse you can always uninstall, then
> re-install the originals.
>
I thought when the root shell is broken it's VERY bad. (same with the
shell system scripts use) I'm just worried about compatibility of the
system scripts with the latest bash
Wroot
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