Linux-Misc Digest #59, Volume #27 Thu, 8 Feb 01 15:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: writing hello world in linux (Harlan Grove)
Re: writing hello world in linux (milanuk)
Re: Selling GPL programs ("Stuart D. Gathman")
Re: Identify a WinModem?? (Uwe Bonnes)
Re: mtrr's or lack of them ??? (os.linux) ("Eric en Jolanda")
Re: writing hello world in linux (Leejay Wu)
Re: Lilo ("Eric en Jolanda")
Re: Better wait for Linux Kernel 2.4.x (Esteban Flocco)
Intro. To Linux at U-Online ("U-Online")
Re: Which distribution? (Steve Ackman)
Linux POSE -- Screen repainting ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: How to remove LILO ? (Lee Webb)
Problem with a shared library. (Jean-David Beyer)
Re: login loggging (Michael Heiming)
help with telnet session freeze. ("Kenny@BUI")
compiling cdrecord ("joseph Philip")
Re: Intro. To Linux at U-Online (David Fisher)
Re: Intro. To Linux at U-Online ("U-Online")
Re: Intro. To Linux at U-Online ("U-Online")
Re: How to remove LILO ? (marmolejo)
Re: Stumped by random X freezes,slow system (Chet Vora)
OT: Atheism, anarchy and amorality (WAS: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else) ("D
F")
source code help (entropy)
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From: Harlan Grove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: writing hello world in linux
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 18:02:58 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Mint <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I have installed redhat linux 6.1 and am trying to write hello world c
>program.
>
>I have never done c programing and I am only just learning linux so am
>a serious amateur.
Buy the book 'The C Programming Language (2nd ed.)' by Brian W.
Kernighan and Dennis M. Ritchie, and follow the instructions. This is
the One True Text for C.
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From: milanuk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: writing hello world in linux
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 17:56:20 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Mint <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have installed redhat linux 6.1 and am trying to write hello world
c
> program.
>
> I have never done c programing and I am only just learning linux so
am a
> serious amateur.
>
> please help.
>
> --
> Posted via CNET Help.com
> http://www.help.com/
>
Do yourself a favor and go get the book 'Beginning Linux Programming,
2nd Ed.' I wish I could find mine and get back into the swing of
things. But it is a very, very good book for beginning programming,
from what I had done in it so far.
Monte
--
There are basically three kinds of men. There
are the ones who learn by reading. Then there are
the few who learn by observation. The rest just
have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.
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From: "Stuart D. Gathman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Selling GPL programs
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 13:14:15 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Robert> When people 'sell' GPL programs, what they are selling is a
> Robert> convenience factor: Most people do not have a really
> Robert> high-speed connection to the internet. Rather than spend
> Robert> 33.80825 *HOURS* with your 56K modem downloading the RedHat
> Robert> 6.2 ISO image (and that is *just* the binary RPMS, it will
> Robert> take you *another* 33.80825 *HOURS* to download the *Source*
> Robert> RPMS, and probably another 20 or so hours to download
> Robert> StarOffice), people can spend either $2.00 (each) for bare CDs
> Robert> or $50-$80 for a box with a set of CDs, a nicely printed
> Robert> install manual, and a post card that can be sent in for 30
> Robert> days worth of tech. support (read: hand-holding over the
> Robert> phone).
>
> There is a "zero cost" aspect that _tends_ to attach itself to
> software licensed under GPL, BSDL, and such, namely the fact that
> since no licensing fees accrue to people, there is a pretty strong
> tendancy for prices to lean towards $0.
>
> If you charge what people regard as "too much" for your "boxed set,"
> then I may have the ability to undercut your price seeing as how
> neither of us are paying anyone royalties.
There is also a "Public Radio" aspect to distributions. RedHat performs
a valuable service in integrating a wide array of software into a mostly
working system. We have been very pleased with RH6.2. We could buy
just one and burn our own copies, but $30 for their standard 2 CD set
seems a reasonable "subscription" to keep the company going. (Plus you
get an additional 30 days on their faster update server.)
The service that will keep us loyal customers is the ability to smoothly
upgrade our RedHat servers from 6.2 to 7.2 (7.0 is too buggy) without
having to reinstall. Can they deliver?
--
Stuart D. Gathman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Business Management Systems Inc. Phone: 703 591-0911 Fax: 703 591-6154
"Confutatis maledictis, flamis acribus addictis" - Mozart background
song for the Microsoft "Where do you want to go from here?" commercial.
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From: Uwe Bonnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake,alt.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Identify a WinModem??
Date: 8 Feb 2001 18:00:14 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Terry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Hi,
: I have a couple of ISA and PCI 56K modems made by 3COM/US Robotics.
: They came with the PCs I bought. I have heard that WinModems are
: not supported by Linux. But how could I tell that whether these
: modems are WinModems? Thanks in advance for your help,
Try to find out what hardware it is. lspci, pnpdump,/proc/pci will help.
Try to find those numbers in the lists at www.linmodems.org and
http://www.idir.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html . Read the mailarchive at
www.linmodems.org and find out what other users have found.
Bye
--
Uwe Bonnes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Institut fuer Kernphysik Schlossgartenstrasse 9 64289 Darmstadt
========= Tel. 06151 162516 ======== Fax. 06151 164321 ==========
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From: "Eric en Jolanda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: mtrr's or lack of them ??? (os.linux)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 19:33:16 +0100
> I posted this to fa.linux.kernel as well, but that seems to be the
> wrong place..................................
Multiposting is always wrong.
No matter where you post it.
Answers in col.setup
Eric
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From: Leejay Wu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: writing hello world in linux
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 13:28:47 -0500
Excerpts from netnews.comp.os.linux.misc: 8-Feb-101 writing hello world
in linux by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> I have installed redhat linux 6.1 and am trying to write hello
> world c program.
>
> I have never done c programing and I am only just learning linux
> so am a serious amateur.
"Hello world" in C on Linux is no different than "Hello world" in
C on any other platform. Well, the source code, anyway; on a
Windows-based platform you probably wouldn't be using the same
compiler et al. Hrm. And with more complicated programs using
functions and constants not strictly part of the original C
standard, you may run into system-dependent things. But not yet...
But a few pointers:
- Get yourself a good C book. I can't recommend one because the
only C book I have is the Kernighan & Ritchie reference, which
is a *reference*, not a "learning C" book in the conventional
sense. Oh, and don't forget about the man pages if you need
more detail on a specific C function. You may also want to
search for coding style documents. *shrug*
On man pages: 'man -k <keyword>' will list man pages which
may be relevant to that keyword. Most C functions are in
section 3... (e.g. 'man 3 printf' to read about 'printf'
in section 3).
- Linux software that'll come in handy, all usually available
with your distro:
gcc: The usual C compiler, with a C++ front-end (g++).
Widely available on many platforms besides Linux as well.
Comes with most non-special-purpose Linux distros.
May be named 'egcs', 'tho, so you may have to search
for both strings.
Once installed, documentation is largely in the form of
'info' pages: 'info gcc' may work for you. With a
simple 'hello world' program called 'hello.c', an
invocation might be as simple as
gcc -o hello hello.c
while
gcc -Wall -ansi -pedantic -o hello hello.c
(for instance) will tell gcc to issue you more warnings
about questionable code and so forth. This would
possibly be a good thing to avoid getting into bad
coding habits early...
make: Mostly useful when going beyond "Hello world"-class
programs. When you have a project involving multiple
files with convoluted options you REALLY don't want to
have to type 'em in manually. It's merely an automation
tool and isn't technically necessary, except for
sanity...
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~hzhang/15-441/documents.html
has a "Makefile Primer" that might be of interest.
gdb: The GNU debugger. Useful for nailing down segmentation
faults. If you'll be writing complicated programs at
some point, you'll want to learn at least its basic
features -- printing/setting variables, setting
breakpoints, stepping through a program et al.
cpp: The C preprocessor. You won't often invoke it directly.
But, for instance, if you want to see what your program
looks like after #include's, #define's, et al, have been
handled, well, there you go. *May* be useful in tracking
down obstinate bugs and typos.
--
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|--------------------------| he writes really bad haiku |
| #include <stddiscl.h> | readers all go mad |
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From: "Eric en Jolanda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lilo
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 19:40:31 +0100
>
> The adding lba32 to the lilo.conf helped. It now works perfectly
Trust me it does not.
Unless you wish to lose data, change the type of hda3 from 0x05 to 0x0F
You may lose data, but it is important. Backup all data you think is
important.
If you do not change this, you may lose data on this disk, because windows
doesn't read the partitiontable correctly. (This can occur whenever you use
hda8 from within windows!)
Eric
> > > Command (m for help):
> > > Disk /dev/hda2: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 2 cylinders
> > > Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes
> > >
> > > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
> > >
> > > Command (m for help):
> > >
> > > Disk /dev/hda: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 4863 cylinders
> > > Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes
> > >
> > > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
> > > /dev/hda1 1 2550 20482843+ c Win95 FAT32 (LBA)
> > > /dev/hda2 * 2551 2552 16065 83 Linux
> > > /dev/hda3 2553 4863 18563107+ 5 Extended
> > > /dev/hda5 2553 2999 3590496 83 Linux
> > > /dev/hda6 3000 3446 3590496 83 Linux
> > > /dev/hda7 3447 3479 265041 82 Linux swap
> > > /dev/hda8 3480 4863 11116948+ 6 FAT16
> > >
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Esteban Flocco)
Subject: Re: Better wait for Linux Kernel 2.4.x
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 13:05:45 -0500
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On Thu, 01 Feb 2001 12:21:06 +0000, Andy Piper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Steve Holdoway wrote:
>>
>> I've upgraded RedHat 6.2 to 2.4.0, but without glibc 2.2. It's running
>> fine, supporting Oracle 8.1.7, lvm and IBM jfs on an SMP platform.
>>
>> So, what's your problem?
>
>*My* problem is that the boot sequence hangs right at the time where
>it tries to start the xfs server on RH 6.2 / kernel 2.4.0.... but I
>guess you won't have seen that, since you're presumably running in a
>server configuration?
I have a similar problem, but it hangs for about five minutes when it
tries to start the dummy driver. After that, it hangs the same way when
starting sendmail. Finally, the same delay appears while I'm logging
in. The problem here is that I get a login timeout so I can't get in.
--
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Reply-To: "U-Online" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "U-Online" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.powerpc,linux.dev.newbie,linux.news.groups,nf.comp.linux
Subject: Intro. To Linux at U-Online
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 18:44:43 GMT
U-Online launches Linux Course
Fredericton, NB
Canada
U-Online (www.u-online.net) has launched the first in a series of Linux
Training Courses with the release of "An Introduction to Linux: A Workshop
Approach."
This Web-based course, developed by U-Online's parent company Mosaic
Technologies Corporation (www.mosaictechnologies.com), provides users with a
hands-on introduction to the Linux operating system, with emphasis on
practising essential skills for setting-up and using a Linux desktop. In
all, it covers general information on more than 50 Linux distributions.
The course is designed for new users as a way to familiarize themselves with
Linux, but it does assume the user already has some flavor of Linux
installed on their system. Because the course is online, it is applicable to
users of Linux for PC, Macintosh, Alpha and others.
The course subject areas are:
- Getting Started
- Introduction to Linux
- Setting Up The KDE
- Linux Commands
- Linux Applications
- Installing Applications
- Getting Connected
- Backing Up Data
- Multimedia: Making It Work
One of the more unique features of the course is U-Online's Virtual Hard
Drive (VHD), which stores 300 MB of required and recommended software
downloads. From within the course, users can click a download link to Flash
plug-ins or an application like Xplorer and download it from the VHD.
The course also includes a downloadable full-color user guide/workbook,
loaded with illustrations, examples and activities. The guide, in PDF,
weighs in as a less than 3 MB download.
This is the first in a series of Linux training courses announced last year
by Mosaic. In the coming months Mosaic will release a course on Setting Up A
Linux Business Server and another course being developed by Mosaic partner
company, the Sona Valliappa Group, in India.
U-Online is a Web-based storefront for Mosaic offering learners a wide range
of courses, tutorials, and programs for upgrading skills, obtaining academic
credit or simply for personal growth. It also offers the perfect vehicle for
Mosaic to prototype, test and offer its own courseware and educational
products, such as Mosaic's WebCT Guides, Effective Online Teaching Course
and this new Linux course.
Mosaic Technologies Corporation (www.mosaictechnologies.com) is a
Fredericton, New Brunswick-based, multi-faceted advanced educational
technologies company that uses advanced design techniques and technologies
to create learning solutions that can be customized by the client and
delivered in various instructional systems. The company has completed
development projects for companies such as Harcourt, McGraw-Hill and
Bedford, Freeman and Worth Publishers. It also owns and operates Applied
Multimedia Training Centres in Calgary, Alberta and Winnipeg, Manitoba.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Ackman)
Subject: Re: Which distribution?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 11:36:45 -0500
On Thu, 8 Feb 2001 15:50:57 -0000, Chaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Could i use freebsd?
>
>"Steve Ackman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Thu, 8 Feb 2001 01:20:56 -0000, Chaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >Hi i want to install linux on a pc with 2meg of edo ram and a 386 25mhz
>cpu.
>> >The hard disk is 10meg. I would like to know what version/distribution i
>> >should install. Thanks in advance.
>>
>> You can't run Linux in 2MB RAM. You need, at a bare minimum,
>> 4MB of RAM. Check out several mini-Linuces which do not run
>> from a ram disk.
Throwing the search terms "minimum RAM requirements FreeBSD"
into google would seem to indicate that FreeBSD requires at least
8MB.
--
Steve Ackman
http://twovoyagers.com
Registered Linux User #79430
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Linux POSE -- Screen repainting
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 18:59:53 GMT
Hello --
I have a question regarding the POSE for Linux. Has anyone noticed
that the emulator constantly repaints the screen, even while idle?
The way I found the problem was I ran the emulator under VNC from
a remote host. The screen repainting is very noticable under VNC
and drives the bandwidth consumption up.
Also does anyone familiar with the code base have any idea of where
to start looking for the problem? I'm ready to dust off my toolbox
and start hacking on this one.
Cheers,
Curt
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lee Webb)
Subject: Re: How to remove LILO ?
Date: 8 Feb 2001 19:11:06 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 08 Feb 2001 04:48:30 GMT, Eric Chow wrote:
>Hello,
>
>Is it possible to remove LILO from other OS ?
>I delete the Linux NAtive partition. And formated the hard-disk. But
>when reboot, it still open the LILO, how can I disabled the LILO ?
>
If you're running Windows, do a fdisk /mbr at the dos prompt.
Lee.
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From: Jean-David Beyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Problem with a shared library.
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 14:13:24 -0500
When I try to download a .tsv file with Netscape (that will be imported
by Applixware), I get the following message from Netscape:
Gtk WARNING **: Unable to locate loadable module in module-path:
libmetal.so
This library definately exists:
valinux:root[/usr/lib]# ls -l /usr/lib/gtk/themes/engines/libmetal.so
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 40482 Aug 1 2000
/usr/lib/gtk/themes/engines/libmetal.so
valinux:root[/usr/lib]# file /usr/lib/gtk/themes/engines/libmetal.so
/usr/lib/gtk/themes/engines/libmetal.so: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object,
Intel 80386, version 1, not stripped
valinux:root[/usr/lib]#
I have recently run depmod -a, but that does not seem to help, because
depmod does not look in /usr/lib/gtk/themes/engines unless I add the
line
path=/usr/lib/gtk/themes/engines to /etc/conf.modules. If I do that, it
gets all bent out of shape because some of the other files in that
directory are not .so files. I tried putting a symbolic link to the
required module in /usr/lib and running depmod again. That does not hurt
anything, as far as I can tell, but it does not solve the problem.
What next?
--
.~. Jean-David Beyer Registered Linux User 85642.
/V\ Registered Machine 73926.
/( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey
^^-^^ 2:05pm up 10 days, 22:33, 4 users, load average: 2.18, 2.15, 2.10
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Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 19:50:50 +0100
From: Michael Heiming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: login loggging
Bill Dossett wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a web cam thingy and it logs in every 15 seconds
> to my server to put a new picture on it... it basically fills
> up my last log which I like to keep an eye on to know who
> logs in my server... is there someway I can keep this login
> from being logged in last log?
>
> Thanks
>
> Bill
Hi,
there is HUSHLOGIN_FILE option you could set in /etc/login.defs.
man login.defs has more info...
Or you could use something like this:
lastlog | awk ' ! /username/ { print $0}'
To get a better view on your lastlog.
Good luck
Michael Heiming
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From: "Kenny@BUI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: help with telnet session freeze.
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 14:16:17 -0500
hello,
we have a rh6.2 server running an app. that uses microfocus.
when we telnet to the box from win98 and try to run the app. the session
freezes
as we move through the software. we have done this so many times that this
one is a mystery. we have other linux boxes that do not behave like this.
thank you,
kenny.
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From: "joseph Philip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: compiling cdrecord
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 19:25:45 GMT
I am unable to compile cdrecord 1.9 on an i686 2.2.17 kernel
with
"gcc version egcs-2.91.66 19990314/Linux (egcs-1.1.2 release)"
First I had to define that the host is i686-linux
Then I defined that the target is i686-linux
Then I had to create the /opt/schily/lib path ( I don't have a /opt )
to get it to go through the motions atleast.
Now it complains that it the compiler is unable to create the executable.
I've put in the corresponding uname values into the configure.guess file,
but that does not change anything.
what am I missing, ?
though "upgrading" the compiler is an option, I do not like to change
something that is working fine.
Several kernels have been compiled with this machine, ( including the
current one) , as well as various tools (ipchains, tc , etc...).
What is so peculiar about cdrecord ???
PS : My health is not exactly helping the situation .
<sneeze!>
joseph
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From: David Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.powerpc,linux.dev.newbie,linux.news.groups,nf.comp.linux
Subject: Re: Intro. To Linux at U-Online
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 19:26:47 GMT
You failed to metnion the site is written in German, or something very
similiar.
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Reply-To: "U-Online" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "U-Online" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.powerpc,linux.dev.newbie,linux.news.groups,nf.comp.linux
Subject: Re: Intro. To Linux at U-Online
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 19:29:50 GMT
Could you please explain what you mean by that. Are you refering to
U-Online? If so, the site is English.
- U-Online Staff
David Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> You failed to metnion the site is written in German, or something very
> similiar.
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Reply-To: "U-Online" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "U-Online" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.powerpc,linux.dev.newbie,linux.news.groups,nf.comp.linux
Subject: Re: Intro. To Linux at U-Online
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 19:36:02 GMT
Actually, I believe I know what happened. The site you visited was
www.u-online.COM or site is at www.u-online.NET. The .COM site is, indeed,
non-English, but it isn't us.
- U-Online Staff
U-Online <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:OsCg6.5348$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Could you please explain what you mean by that. Are you refering to
> U-Online? If so, the site is English.
>
> - U-Online Staff
>
>
> David Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > You failed to metnion the site is written in German, or something very
> > similiar.
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (marmolejo)
Subject: Re: How to remove LILO ?
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 19:12:53 +0100
Reply-To: marmolejo(arroba)able(punto)es
Con fecha Thu, 08 Feb 2001 04:48:30 GMT, Eric Chow escribi�:
>Hello,
>
>Is it possible to remove LILO from other OS ?
>I delete the Linux NAtive partition. And formated the hard-disk. But
>when reboot, it still open the LILO, how can I disabled the LILO ?
>
>Best regards,
>Eric
Yep, try from DOS: fdisk /MBR (if LILO was in the Master Boot Record
installed, so i think it was, wasn't it?
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From: Chet Vora <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Stumped by random X freezes,slow system
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 14:53:43 -0500
Tim,
<sheepish grin> I realized after sending out that mail what a idiotic impression that
statement must have given. What I meant to convey was the SCSI driver could be a
problem...oh, well, some days are just not your days.
Anyway, the reason I suspect SCSI driver is cos I vaguely remember hearing somewhere
that RH (and Linux in general) has somewhat unstable support for SCSI. Again, I'm a
relative newbie so don't know if this is so.
Regards,
Chet
Tim Roberts wrote:
> Chet Vora <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >... There doesn't seem to be any pattern to the freezes. The one thing worth
> >mentioning is that the system seems to be using the SCSI driver for the PCI bus.
> >
> >Relevant o/p of dmesg:
> >-------------------------
> >VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem).
> >ncr53c8xx: at PCI bus 2, device 0, function 0
>
> Come on, that's silly. Your SCSI controller is a device ON your PCI bus.
> That's all it means.
> --
> - Tim Roberts, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Providenza & Boekelheide, Inc.
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From: "D F" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: OT: Atheism, anarchy and amorality (WAS: MS to Enforce Registration - or
Else)
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 14:57:36 -0500
Aaron R. Kulkis wrote in message
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>The prefix "a-" for "not-" implies "anti-", not
"without-"
Aaron,
I'd have to say that I'm largely on your side in this
discussion but the statement quoted above, I'm afraid, is
abjectly false. The prefix "a-" is entirely homologous with
the prefix "un-", both of which mean "without". If someone
is "unsympathetic" does that mean they are "against
sympathy" or "without sympathy"? Would you say that an
agnostic is "against" knowledge (gnosis)?
Consider the term "amoral". One might be said to lead an
amoral lifestyle. Simply put, this means a lifestyle
_without_ morals. It does not mean that the person is
"against" morals. Similarly, the Greek gods were said to be
amoral. Evidence of this is that there was a god of
pickpockets, for example (whose name escapes me at the
moment.) Or Bacchus, the god of debauchery. This does not
imply that the gods were against morality, only that they
did not, necessarily, observe any moral code themselves.
Similarly, a period during which there was no ruler (archon)
of a city-state was known as a period of anarchy. This does
not mean that people suddenly became opposed to rulers, only
that there wasn't one during that time.
Now, it is true that all of these terms have been somewhat
morphed over time. Anarchists, nowadays, are considered to
be against rulers, and that's the way the term has come to
be used. But, the fact remains that the definition of the
term anarchy does not include any judgement on the
desirability of rulers. It just so happens that those who
desire no rulers (== against rulers) have come to be labeled
anarchist because they _advocate_ anarchy.
What I'd like to offer, though, is this:
1. "I don't believe in the faeries." is equal to or
approximately equal to "I believe that faeries do not
exist." which is equal to or approximately equal to "I
believe there are no faeries." (save, perhaps, for some
semantic gerrymandering of convenience.)
2. "I don't know if there are faeries." does not equal
"I believe there are no faeries."
And, if we substitute gods or three-legged spiders or
whatever for faeries, the relationships of (near) equality
or inequality still hold. In the case of gods, those who
subscribe to statement 1 in any of its variants are, by
definition, atheists. Those who subscribe to statement 2 are
agnostics. This much is a certainty. We may choose to use
other definitions in common parlance, but we would be well
served to keep in mind that these are the root meanings of
these terms. If there is a dispute about meaning, reference
to the origins of a term are sometimes all that we have to
settle such a dispute.
I think we can all agree on these four points:
1. Atheists either believe there is no god or they don't
believe there is a god. Since both of these are,
essentially, equivalent, it amounts to the same thing save
for some semantic gerrymandering one might wish to make
solely for the sake of convenience.
2. Agnostics are uncertain if there are gods. They have
chosen to remain "on the fence", as it were. Really,
agnostics are all from Missouri!
3. Neither of these positions is absolute, inasmuch as
they exist on a continuum. There are those who might say
they are atheists but are willing to consider the
proposition that there might be gods. For them, the default
is "no gods" but they remain open to the possibility that
they may be in error. These might be said to be atheists
with an agnostic streak...
4. Theists are much less likely to be open to the
possibility that their belief may be in error. ;-)
Hope this helps
Dave Fluri North Bay, Ontario Canada
(After an analysis by spectral decomposition, I'm announcing
that my opinions are orthogonal to those of my employer.)
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From: entropy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: source code help
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 19:46:25 GMT
hello,
i'm trying to get the source code for the 'who' command but am having
no luck finding it. is it in the kernel or am i missing something?
thanks in advance,
entropy
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