Linux-Misc Digest #128, Volume #27 Fri, 16 Feb 01 21:13:01 EST
Contents:
Re: User permissions for vfat mount (Ralph Miguel Hansen)
User migrating from winders, to Linux. Need advice on programs. (Kevin C. Redden)
Re: Cron notification? (Martin Brown)
Re: How can I get rid of "bash"? ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: How to forward external requests to internal machine? (Mark Post)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Mark Bratcher)
Re: Size of LINUX (Stanislaw Flatto)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (S P Arif Sahari Wibowo)
Re: Size of LINUX ("Harlan Grove")
Re: How can I get rid of "bash"? (Donald Arseneau)
Re: movie_software? (Scott)
Re: Size of LINUX (Mark Bratcher)
Re: Upgrading RPM ("Harlan Grove")
Re: User migrating from winders, to Linux. Need advice on programs. (Mark Bratcher)
Re: User migrating from winders, to Linux. Need advice on programs. (Stanislaw
Flatto)
Re: Size of LINUX (Michel Catudal)
Re: Tips from Compaq/Linux users? (Scott)
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From: Ralph Miguel Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: User permissions for vfat mount
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 01:55:02 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Scott L. Foglesong wrote:
> Hello all--
>
> I have several vfat partitions (i.e., FAT32) mounted as //mnt/drivec,
> and //mnt/drived. These come up just fine (they're in fstab).
>
> However, they're accessible for writing only by root. I've tried
> changing the mode to allow all users to read-write, but that doesn't
> seem to work.
>
> I've also played around some with the DOS options (that you see in the
> LinuxConf settings for accessing local drives in RH7), but anything I do
> there seems to render the partition almost unaccessible across the
> board.
>
> Could someone point me in the right direction for finding out how to
> deal with this? I looked through the HOWTOs and I didn't find anything
> that seemed specific to this kind of a problem--although perhaps the
> information is somewhere in there, and I overlooked it.
>
> Any help you could offer would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Scott Foglesong
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Here a line of my /etc/fstab with umask-entry for read/write-access:
/dev/hda5 /Daten vfat defaults,umask=000 0 0
man umask (uarrgh !)
Cheers
Ralph Miguel Hansen
Using S.u.S.E. 5.3 and SuSE 7.0
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kevin C. Redden)
Subject: User migrating from winders, to Linux. Need advice on programs.
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 01:09:12 GMT
Hi all: I'm finally making the migration from linux to windows. What I
need now, is advice on programs. I want to get linux equals of
programs I use now on windows, and wondering if you can help?
I'd like to get freeware versions, with the same power, if possible. I
hate it, cause I bought some packages and can't use them in Linux.
What I'm using now is as follows:
Graphics manipulation program: Paint Shop Pro 7, and Adobe Photoshop 5
Desktop publishing package, Quark Express.
e-mail client: Pegasus Mail
Bulk usenet attachment saver: BinaryBoy. (www.binaryboy.com)
MP3 player: winamp
download manager: Gozillia
CD-R(w) burner: Easy CD Creator 4 (data, and audio burning)
Graphics Viewers: ACDC 3
Movie viewer: MS Media player 6.4 (sorry :)
a file manager: Dragnfile, or Windows explorer
Some programs I already have an idea, since their companies make linux
versions. (Like Corel Wordperfect, and Opera.) If you can point out
the linux equals of these programs, with a URL or FTP site, I'd
greatly appreciate it. Thanks!
Kevin C. Redden
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Subject: Re: Cron notification?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martin Brown)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 01:12:56 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I use cron to run nightly backups. Apparently, cron does not log this
>activity. (I'm running RH 6.0 6.2 7.0)
>
>How can I have cron send me notification that the backup task has completed
>successfully (I'm using cp for backup). Presumably, I could do this using
>mail, but I'm not sure what options/commands to use to accomplish this.
>
If you run X, you could put your backups commands in a shell script run by
cron, and have the last command be 'xmessage' with the appropriate
information.
--
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How can I get rid of "bash"?
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 23:19:47 +0100
Doney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I found the problem and it was:
> I first was login in to my user account and then "su" to "root".
> Solution: To be able to do what I needed to do( basically configurations
> such us: turbonetcfg) I need to signup as root directly from the login
> promt.
No you don't. "su -" gets you into the root account just fine. And root
can do anything, including whatever you wanted to do.
Would you mind rephrasing? It isn't terribly clear either what you
couldn't do, what you wanted to do, or what you did do.
Peter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Post)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: How to forward external requests to internal machine?
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 01:21:02 GMT
On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:52:40 -0800, Warren Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'm running Mandrake 7.2 with ipchains as a firewall. I want to forward
>any requests to a certain port to an internal machine on the local
>network allowing it through. I've been looking around but can't find
>how to do this. The only thing I've found is that you can't do it with
>ipchains. What program can I use to do this?
"ipmasqadm portfw" will do what you want. Read up on the man page.
Mark Post
Postmodern Consulting
Information Technology and Systems Management Consulting
To send me email, replace 'nospam' with 'home'.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Bratcher)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 01:22:42 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 01:54:03 GMT, Robert Surenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>In comp.os.linux.misc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>> On Thu, 15 Feb 2001 22:00:09 GMT, Robert Surenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>In comp.os.linux.misc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 15 Feb 2001 20:38:45 GMT, Robert Surenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>>In comp.os.linux.misc Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dan Mercer) writes:
>>>>
>>>>Perhaps, although humankind existed for 100,000 years without
>>>>formal science... 3 or 4 hundred years is probably not enough time
>>
>>> So. That doesn't have any relevance to your own existence.
>>
>>I'm sure that ethics had a part to play in my eventual existence.
>>
>>Our parent's didn't strangle either of us at birth. I can't imagine
>>Science had anything to do with that.
>
> Sure it did.
>
> It avoided the conditions necessary for such issues to
> actually exist. You and your ancestors have lead rather
> sheltered lives compared to those animals that find the
> need to eat their young.
>
> Also, despite your protestations: in more "spiritual"
> days you would have been considered the property of
> your father to be disposed of accordingly.
PMFJI... but "disposed of accordingly" in "more 'spiritual' days"?
Could you be more specific? The only period of time I see more universal
"disposal" of offspring outside of primitive cultures is in modern
days (viz. abortion). What your describing certainly was not true in
family culture described in the Old Testament.
>
>>
>>
>>> That is just empty rhetoric on your part. The fact still
>>> remains that you only exist because technology has allowed
>>> you and your forebears to live and thrive. Unless you are
>>> Amish, just about anything you have is a result of this
>>> 'highly questionable' scientific method that is taken on
>>> faith.
>>
>>I agree, so what. I'm saying that Science depends on faith.
>
> That the universe works in a predictable fashion is not
> an article of faith. It is an axiom that is time tested.
Ah, and there lies the rub. Scientists over some period of time have
"pet" theories and notions that, although they are theories and have
indeed been confirmed for the time being, become axioms which make
them unquestioned assumptions to be defended to the death.
There's an interesting book, too bad it's out of print, called
"Science is a Sacred Cow" that discusses this issue.
[snip]
--
Mark Bratcher
To reply, remove both underscores (_) from my email name
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Escape from Microsoft's proprietary tentacles: use Linux!
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From: Stanislaw Flatto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Size of LINUX
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 12:42:52 +1100
You also forgot the convenience of teletype as terminal, especially when
correcting few thousand lines of source code.
"Those were the days, my friend!"
Stanislaw.
Slack user from Ulladulla.
Rolie Baldock wrote:
> Back in the days of the DEC PDP-6 we ran a TIME SHARING operating
> system in 4K words of memory. Now some horrendous amount of bytes are
> required to run an operating system such as LINUX which does not seem
> to provide any more intelligence than the old PDP-6 operating system.
> Doesn't seem to show any degree of cleverness to my way of thinking.
> In those days all operating systems were written in assembly
> language!!!!! I rest my case.
>
> --Rolie Baldock. email: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
From: S P Arif Sahari Wibowo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 01:37:01 GMT
On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Peter T. Breuer wrote:
>> This not accurate. Science is based on *consistency*. A theory need not to
>> be repeatable to be considered science, but it need to be consistent with
>> other theory and observations.
>
>Theories are NOT "repeatable"! Experiments are. The big bang theory has
>testable consequences.
Exactly my point. The big bang theory is consistent with known
'repeatable' experiments, some other observations, and other theories. So
the big bang itself cannot be put in experiment. Nobody will ever know if
big bang exist, since the theory itself will contradict any direct
observation of its existance. We can only see that so far what we know is
consistent with the theory. In the future - as we have more data - will
that theory still be consistent? Nobody knows, we can only have faith. :-)
>> In math and logic, there is only 3 state of any statement: consistent /
>> absolutely true, inconsistent / absolutely false, or unproven.
>Well, there are more subtle distinctions too! You forgot to say
>"relative to what".
No, I didn't forget. There is no relative. In math & logic, the truth of a
statement is absolute. A complete math statement will not only say the
relation, but all definition of objects involved in that statement.
Therefore its truth is absolute. Obviously, "a+0=a" is relatif, but it is
not a math statement. A math statement will say something like, "for G is
a group, a is a member of G, + is addition operation of G, 0 is the
identity element of G, and = signify equality, then a+0=a." Then for each
word you will have more definition. That's why its truth is absolute.
>No. A theory has predictive power and testable consequences. A
>hypothethis in itself requires the framework of a theory in order to
>make sense and be testable. If it tests OK, and refutations fail, then
>its a fair enough approximation to truth for the moment.
Read my sentence again. You actually talking about the same thing, but you
see it from the point of presentation. Yes, predictive power, testable
consequences, role in humanity, etc. that will make the hypothethis
interesting to other people, and therefore more people know and talk about
it. But it doesn't mean a statement that cannot be tested immediately (or
ever) is not hypothethis or theory. Many hypothethis lay dormant for years
until other part of science grown enough to make is possible to test that
hypothethis.
Conceptually, predictive power and testable consequences is no other that
consistency to the other theories and observations.
>Well, this is true. It's a theory with no testable consequences. I.e.
>it's consistent with the rest of our theories (which doesn't make it
>true! Both the continuum hypothesis and the negation of the continuum
>hypythesis can be shown consistent with all of the rest of set theory,
>for crissake).
No it doesn't make it true, it doesn't make it false either. As you said,
if have no consequences, then it have no role, then we don't even have to
care at all. Well, that is the question, right? Is there any consequences?
Thank you.
--
S P Arif Sahari Wibowo
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From: "Harlan Grove" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Size of LINUX
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 01:40:43 GMT
Rolie Baldock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>Back in the days of the DEC PDP-6 we ran a TIME SHARING operating
>system in 4K words of memory. Now some horrendous amount of bytes are
>required to run an operating system such as LINUX which does not seem
>to provide any more intelligence than the old PDP-6 operating system.
>Doesn't seem to show any degree of cleverness to my way of thinking.
>In those days all operating systems were written in assembly
>language!!!!! I rest my case.
I know this is a troll, but . . .
1. Same could be said for Windows, OS/2, BeOS, MacOS, various unix, yada
yada yada.
2. How was the interactive graphical interface on that old PDP-6? Was your
input device a punch card reader? The cli on a VDT is a huge improvement.
3. And this PDP-6 OS was so popular it's still in wide-spread use on a
number of different platforms because assembly language is so easy to port
from one architecture to another?
You may still be able to get a used copy of CP/M for IBM machines through an
auction site. It'd be 6 to 10 times larger than the PDP-6 OS you still love
so much, but I don't doubt you'll enjoy every bit as much raw functionality
and as broad a selection of modern software. Have fun!
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From: Donald Arseneau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How can I get rid of "bash"?
Date: 16 Feb 2001 17:48:19 -0800
"Doney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I first was login in to my user account and then "su" to "root".
> Solution: To be able to do what I needed to do( basically configurations
> such us: turbonetcfg) I need to signup as root directly from the login
> promt.
The problem was probably that root's login script (.bashrc or .bash_profile)
includes /sbin in the $PATH. It would probably work if you did
su -
Donald Arseneau [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 17:42:45 -0800
From: Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: movie_software?
ImageMagick is a suite of tools which includes one to do what you want.
See their web site for how to use.
Scott
Jerry Kreps wrote:
>
> GIMP
>
> arau wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > anybody knows a free Linux software to convert a sequence of images
> > (tiffs or whatever) into a common movie format (mpeg, avi, rpl....).
> > So far I have only a dinosaur mpeg-code from U. of Berkeley.
> >
> > Thanks
> > --
> > Andreas Rau
> > Sunnybrook Health Sciences Centre / Medical Imaging
> > U of T, Dept. Medical Biophysics
> > Toronto, Ontario, Canada
> >
> >
> > Sent via Deja.com
> > http://www.deja.com/
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Bratcher)
Subject: Re: Size of LINUX
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 01:40:50 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rolie Baldock wrote:
>Back in the days of the DEC PDP-6 we ran a TIME SHARING operating
>system in 4K words of memory. Now some horrendous amount of bytes are
>required to run an operating system such as LINUX which does not seem
>to provide any more intelligence than the old PDP-6 operating system.
>Doesn't seem to show any degree of cleverness to my way of thinking.
>In those days all operating systems were written in assembly
>language!!!!! I rest my case.
>
I agree that things have gotten bloated. There are a number of reasons
for this:
1) A lot of the stuff now is GUI stuff which didn't exist on the old machines.
2) We didn't demand as much as fast out of the older machines.
3) There are a lot more apps and utilities now then there were then.
4) Because disk space and memory are a lot cheaper, programmers get away
with writing much sloppier code.
5) The drive for developing code faster these days leads to use of large
libraries of pre-designed modules and components and objects, which leads
to bloat. In other words, if you were to take just about any given
application and rewrite it from scratch in, say, in well-written assembler
or even in well-written C with a good optimizing compiler, it would
probably take much less space.
There are probably other good reasons I can't think of off hand.
So what have we gained in all this? I think it's a compromise. I think
we now see app and OS changes more rapidly (with the possible exception
of MicroSoft stuff hehe), but also code is written a lot less efficiently.
--
Mark Bratcher
To reply, remove both underscores (_) from my email name
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Escape from Microsoft's proprietary tentacles: use Linux!
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From: "Harlan Grove" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Upgrading RPM
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 01:44:24 GMT
Mark Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>Is there a way to upgrade from RPM3 to 4 without trashing the db or
>having to start a new db?
If you upgrade RPM successfully you'll need to rebuild the db. If you don't
want to rebuild the db, don't upgrade.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Bratcher)
Subject: Re: User migrating from winders, to Linux. Need advice on programs.
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 01:45:18 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Kevin C. Redden wrote:
>Hi all: I'm finally making the migration from linux to windows. What I
>need now, is advice on programs. I want to get linux equals of
>programs I use now on windows, and wondering if you can help?
>
>I'd like to get freeware versions, with the same power, if possible. I
>hate it, cause I bought some packages and can't use them in Linux.
>
>What I'm using now is as follows:
Some ideas:
>
>Graphics manipulation program: Paint Shop Pro 7, and Adobe Photoshop 5
gimp
>
>Desktop publishing package, Quark Express.
>
>e-mail client: Pegasus Mail
I use Netscape messenger, but there may be better ones out there. I know
a number of people use some of the text based ones that come with Linux.
>
>Bulk usenet attachment saver: BinaryBoy. (www.binaryboy.com)
>
>MP3 player: winamp
xmms - almost exactly like winamp
>
>download manager: Gozillia
>
>CD-R(w) burner: Easy CD Creator 4 (data, and audio burning)
X-CD-Roast
>
>Graphics Viewers: ACDC 3
Electric Eyes perhaps. Comes with many Linux distributions.
>
>Movie viewer: MS Media player 6.4 (sorry :)
RealPlayer 8 for Linux.
>
>a file manager: Dragnfile, or Windows explorer
>
>Some programs I already have an idea, since their companies make linux
>versions. (Like Corel Wordperfect, and Opera.) If you can point out
>the linux equals of these programs, with a URL or FTP site, I'd
>greatly appreciate it. Thanks!
You didn't mention MS Money. On Linux, gnucash is a very nice alternative.
For other apps, look at other posts and do a search on www.freshmeat.net.
--
Mark Bratcher
To reply, remove both underscores (_) from my email name
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Escape from Microsoft's proprietary tentacles: use Linux!
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From: Stanislaw Flatto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: User migrating from winders, to Linux. Need advice on programs.
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 13:00:54 +1100
"Kevin C. Redden" wrote:
> Hi all: I'm finally making the migration from linux to windows. What I
> need now, is advice on programs. I want to get linux equals of
> programs I use now on windows, and wondering if you can help?
>
> I'd like to get freeware versions, with the same power, if possible. I
> hate it, cause I bought some packages and can't use them in Linux.
> Thanks!
>
> Kevin C. Redden
> -----------------
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
Hi Kevin!
Tall order.
No matter what, you work with programs, get used to their performance and
there is NO direct replacement.
All the programms listed have their counterparts in Linux, many times more
than one.
The best thing would be to invest in some distribution (S.u.S.E comes to
mind) which includes everything plus the kitchen sink and trying to find
what to throw away and what to keep.
Have fun.
Stanislaw.
Slack user from Ulladulla.
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From: Michel Catudal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Size of LINUX
Date: 16 Feb 2001 20:00:35 -0600
Stanislaw Flatto a �crit :
>
> You also forgot the convenience of teletype as terminal, especially when
> correcting few thousand lines of source code.
> "Those were the days, my friend!"
>
And the high speed of 110 Baud, a lot easier than dealing with a fast keyboard
with a voodoo video card.
--
Tired of Microsoft's rebootive multitasking?
then it's time to upgrade to Linux.
http://www.netonecom.net/~bbcat
We have all kinds of links
and many SuSE 7.0 Linux RPM packages
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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 18:01:00 -0800
From: Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Tips from Compaq/Linux users?
I installed RedHat 6.2 on my Presario (I don't remember the model number,
but it's an AMD K6-2 with 128MB). No problems really except that I never
got the modem to work (WinModem crap). The RedHat install is pretty good.
My only recommendation is to run XConfigurator after your done since the
installer never seems to get it quite right.
Scott
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I installed RH 6.2 on my 4122. Only problems I had were drivers for
> some after-purchase add on devices.
>
> On Tue, 9 Jan 2001 20:39:28 -0500, net name
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Just got done reading a rather lengthy thread on the troubles people
> >have using other than OEM os's with compaqs. I know compaq is a junk
> >machine, especially the presarios, but I am stuck with mine for now.
> >
> >Has anyone successfully used linux on a presario 1610? If so,
> >what flavor of linux was it? Any tips on the install? For someone on
> >a budget with one of these presario dinosaurs, a slow hard drive and
> >only 16MB ram, what version of linux would you suggest. Or, should
> >I just forget about it and stick with that other piece of crap, windoze?
> >
> >Thanks.
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