Linux-Misc Digest #225, Volume #27 Sun, 25 Feb 01 13:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Could Linux be used in this factory environment ? (Paul Repacholi)
Re: icq chat port (Jerry Kreps)
Re: Mandrake: Can't login! ("John Bonner")
Re: Web page publishing (nobody)
Re: ISO cd images, whats wrong here? (Frank Hahn)
Re: HELP on /etc/passwd ("Filip Sneppe")
Re: Could Linux be used in this factory environment ? ("Brett I. Holcomb")
Re: Linux as terminal emulator. (Frank da Cruz)
Re: Does JDK 1.3 work with kernel 2.4? (Gerald Henriksen)
i586 kernel vs i686 kernel ("Ja")
Re: Could Linux be used in this factory environment ? (Robert Heller)
Re: 1280x1024 resolution with Geforce2 MX card (Chris Gilbreth)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Could Linux be used in this factory environment ?
From: Paul Repacholi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 25 Feb 2001 22:31:08 +0800
"Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Of course the workers would have to access the system to enter data,
> > etc, so the user interfaces can't be too complicated (GUI?).
>
> Your workers would know how to use a web browser, so why not make the
> inventory system accessible through any web browser? The MySQL database
> and PHP scripting language would be a good combination for this task.
Never worked in afactory have you? How long will the mouse keep working
after it has been grabbed by a paint/glue/oil... covered hand?
--
Paul Repacholi 1 Crescent Rd.,
+61 (08) 9257-1001 Kalamunda.
West Australia 6076
Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.
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From: Jerry Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: icq chat port
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 09:24:13 -0600
Try looking in /etc/services
Mathias Rodenstein wrote:
> hi,
> i was just curious if anyone knew the port icq uses for chat...need to
> know
>
> tia, m
>
>
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From: "John Bonner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mandrake: Can't login!
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:46:37 -0000
I removed it as there must be a bug somewhere. I installed a different
distribution (Redhat 6.1 )until I get a newer version.
Thanks for the advice.
JB.
sherror <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> i had a similiar error, this might or might not be yours depending on what
you did beforehand. did you recently upgrade initscripts?
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg27507.html
>
> sherror
>
>
> "John Bonner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in article
> <CSxl6.4631$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> :
> >Mark,
> >Thanks for the reply.
> >In answer to your questions:
> >
> >I get a "localhost" login prompt.
> >
> >When I type "root" I see it on the screen but when I press return , it
> >disappears and I do not get a password prompt but am still being asked
for a
> >login name.
> >
> >I was asked for both root and a user passwords which I set.
> >Is there a specific requirement for mandrake passwords, i.e. set number
of
> >characters or mixture of letters and numbers??
> >
> >There are no error messages.
> >
> >Hope you can help.
> >
> >John Bonner.
> >
>
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> >---
> >
> >
> >Mark Bratcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> In article <Qqdl6.4061$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Bonner wrote:
> >> >I have just installed Mandrake 6.1(Helios) on a standalone machine
> >(custom
> >> >installation). (It came on a magazine disk.)
> >> >
> >> >When I get to the login prompt at localhost, it will not accept root
or
> >> >username and acts as if I did not type anything. I don't even get an
> >error
> >> >messsage.
> >> >What is the problem here? Have I overlooked something? Should I just
> >choose
> >> >the "workstation" option?
> >> >
> >> >Any ideas welcome.
> >> >John Bonner.
> >> >
> >>
> >> John,
> >>
> >> Can you be more specific?
> >>
> >> - Did you get a "login:" prompt?
> >> - When you type, do the characters appear on the screen?
> >> - When you type in 'root' at the login prompt and press Enter, do you
get
> >> a "Password:" prompt?
> >> - When you did the install, it asked you for a root password or admin
> >> password, right?
> >> - What specific error message(s) are you getting?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Mark Bratcher
> >> To reply direct, remove both underscores (_) from my email name
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> >> Escape from Microsoft's proprietary tentacles: use Linux!
> >
> >
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (nobody)
Subject: Re: Web page publishing
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:01:56 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian Goodyear):
>| Grant Edwards wrote:
>|
>| > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Brian Goodyear wrote:
>| > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>| > >
>| > >> I use brain and Netscape.
>| > >>
>| > >> Also, to uploaded I use rsync via ssh.
>| > >
>| > >Yes, I realize that there are ways to cobble together something
>| > >but I would like something more along the lines of Front Page.
>| >
>| > Front page is a horrendous piece of crap. It generates *awful*
>| > HTML that has an approximately 0% chance of rendering properly
>| > on a different browsers and at a different resolutions. The BS
>| > required on the HTTP server to support Fromt Page is also
>| > horrible. Last time I installed Front Page support, it was
>| > almot 8 times larger than the server itself.
>| >
>| > I'm not aware of anything on Linux that's even remotely as
>| > screwed up as Front Page.
>| >
>| It turns out some kind soul pointed me to QUANTA2 which seems to be set up
>| in a way that I believe even I can work with it.
>|
Try Amaya it's even better IMO and is open source - done by the ww3
consortium. So it matches the standards.
--
Steve - Toronto ICQ 35454764
Powered by GNU/Linux
9:42am up 6 days, 18:51, 10 users, load average: 0.13, 0.07, 0.11
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frank Hahn)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.redhat
Subject: Re: ISO cd images, whats wrong here?
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:10:07 -0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 25 Feb 2001 06:32:39 GMT, matter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'm sure the crapola Easy CD software is the problem. I've burnt hundreds of
>ISO files using Nero and CDR Win without any problems at all. All my RedHat
>CDs work wonderful. Bottom line is to dump the Adaptec crap and try Nero.
>You wont regret it.
>
The last set of Slackware 7.1 ISO images that I downloaded were
burnt to CD-R using Easy CD Creator 3.5 on a Windows 95 system. The
Slackware Install Disk #1 booted fine on my system.
The motherboard is an ASUS TX-97XE. Both the CD and CD-RW drive
seem to boot this install CD-R without problems. Both of these
drives are connected to a SCSI card.
--
Frank Hahn
The human race has one really effective weapon, and that is laughter.
-- Mark Twain
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From: "Filip Sneppe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.comp.linux,be.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: HELP on /etc/passwd
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 15:43:03 GMT
"ob1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hello all
>
> I have a LARGE LARGE pbrl, you know this small file which gathers
> "user" under linux, and well I have modify the first word of " root "
> in " ROOt ", wonder not how I made... Is somebody would have a remedy
> has this kind of prbl???
>
> I have tried to log me as "ROOt " or to change the config via
> Webmin... etc NADA. It is on a small production server and this is
> really tedious to reinstall it...
>
It really isn't that much of a problem...
Reboot the server and then boot with either your intall CDROM or one of the
many "linux on a floppy" distributions:
http://www.redrobe.com/linux/
I particularly like tomsrtbt:
http://www.toms.net/rb/home.html
>From the install CDROM, escape to a shell as soon as possible (to put it
another way: don't repartition or format your drive :-) ). You should be
able to use ALT+Fsomething to break out to a shell. If you've used a "Linux
on a floppy" distro, just log on so you get a shell.
Now simply mount the partition that contains your /etc directory.
mount /dev/hdaX /mnt/
you can use fdisk to find out what partition you have.
Then edit your password file on the production system:
vi /mnt/etc/passwd
Put everything the way you want and reboot to your running system.
If you're already running on Reiserfs things may be a little bit trickier to
mount (if you're using a "Linux on a Floppy" distro), but it's essentially
the same thing.
Good luck,
Filip
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From: "Brett I. Holcomb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Could Linux be used in this factory environment ?
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 10:29:31 -0600
Use an industrial mouse - they last a little bit longer <G>.
--
Brett I. Holcomb
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Microsoft MVP
AKA Grunt<><
"Paul Repacholi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > > Of course the workers would have to access the system to enter data,
> > > etc, so the user interfaces can't be too complicated (GUI?).
> >
> > Your workers would know how to use a web browser, so why not make the
> > inventory system accessible through any web browser? The MySQL database
>
> Never worked in afactory have you? How long will the mouse keep working
> after it has been grabbed by a paint/glue/oil... covered hand?
>
> --
> Paul Repacholi 1 Crescent Rd.,
> +61 (08) 9257-1001 Kalamunda.
> West Australia 6076
> Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frank da Cruz)
Crossposted-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Linux as terminal emulator.
Date: 25 Feb 2001 16:41:40 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Frank da Cruz writes:
: > But then a year ago, for version 7.0, the [kermit] license was amended to
: > allow inclusion with all free operating system, including Linux, FreeBSD,
: > NetBSD, and OpenBSD:
:
: But it still isn't free software.
:
So what? Lots of software isn't free. Everybody is happy to pay money
for retail software and in return receive bugs, headaches, no
documentation, and no technical support.
C-Kermit free to *you* if you want to use it. If you ask for technical
support, you get it. It's free to Linux packagers if they want to include
it. But it's not free to people or companies who want to make money from
it. Seems fair to me.
The Kermit Project was giving software away before there was a GNU project
or FSF, before there was a Linux or FreeBSD. We all grew out of the same
environment -- university computer centers and CS departments in the early
days of the ARPANET, where we were paid to develop software. We had
secure jobs, so free software made sense. We all shared everything and it
was fun. But those days are gone. Virtually nobody is paid to develop
publicly available software in universities any more. The very foundation
of the free software movement no longer exists. Now free software is
developed by:
. Students who will soon get real jobs.
. People stealing time from their real jobs.
. A very few individuals who are actually paid to do it.
. Companies that hope it will destroy their competition.
. Companies that believe it will somehow turn a profit.
This is all fine with me -- everybody should do what they please if it
doesn't hurt anyone else. But it's not exactly a sound and stable system.
Unpaid developers have little incentive to care about what their users want.
And, with very few exceptions, it does not provide a career path except in
the sense that if you become famous for some free creation, then you can get
a high-paying job at an investment bank and disappear from the scene.
The Kermit Project is one of the last surviving university-based nonprofit
software development projects. We're here full-time to serve and help our
users. The money has to come from somewhere, and believe me, we've tried
every funding model. Sure, Kermit would be more popular if it was free to
everybody, but that would also kill it. Somehow we're still here.
In the end, I think this kind of puritanical doctrinaire insistence on
license purity is kind of silly, if not disingenuous. If the software is
free to you, then what do you care if it's not free to somebody else who
wants to sell it? If you yourself want to sell it, why do you think you
have the right to expropriate somebody else's labor for your own
enrichment? If everybody thought that way, nobody would do any useful
work and we'd all starve to death.
Suppose your company (as many do) had a commercial product of which Kermit
was a critical component. Doesn't it make good sense pay for it, thus
assuring its survival and continued development? Lots of companies think
so. If they don't mind, why should you?
The fact is, C-Kermit is highly functional, useful, modern, well-documented,
aggressively developed and supported software that can be in Linux if you
want it to be. As of C-Kermit 7.0, 1 January 2000, nothing is stopping
Linux packagers from including it. They'll do it if their customers want
them to.
- Frank
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From: Gerald Henriksen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.misc
Subject: Re: Does JDK 1.3 work with kernel 2.4?
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 16:50:45 GMT
On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 04:18:50 GMT, Tom Waterhouse
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I am getting the following message:
>
>[tomw@linuxserver /]$ java
>/usr/bin/java: /usr/bin/cut: No such file or directory
>/usr/java/jdk1.3/bin/i386/native_threads/java: error while loading shared
>libraries: libjvm.so: cannot load shared object file: No such file or
>directory
>[tomw@linuxserver /]$ uname -r
>2.4.0-0.99.11
>
>This is with the Fisher release of Redhat 7. Is this error a Redhat error
>or a Java problem, or am I supposed to set a shared libarary path?
Error in the jdk as it apparently makes an assumption about glibc,
which the latest glibc breaks.
See http://www.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=27090
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From: "Ja" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: i586 kernel vs i686 kernel
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:10:54 GMT
Does anyone know of benefits or pitfalls of using a i686 kernel instead of a
i586 kernel?
I've just upgraded my RH6.2 kernel from 2.16-3.i386 to 2.17-14.i586 but I
have a Cyrix 6x686 CPU and it looks like I'll have to upgrade a bunch of
packages before upgrading to the i686 kernel.
Thanks.
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Could Linux be used in this factory environment ?
Date: 24 Feb 2001 18:10:47 -0600
peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
In a message on Sat, 24 Feb 2001 17:40:48 GMT, wrote :
p> Could Linux be used in this factory environment ?
p>
p> What I'm trying to do, is design a factory inventory system. To keep
p> cost down I want to use Linux. The model I'm using, is a furniture
p> factory. I want to design a system that will allow the factory to
p> keep track of their "work in progress" and finished goods. I'm
p> guessing that this will be a little more complicated than your
p> average inventory system?
p>
p> Of course the workers would have to access the system to enter data,
p> etc, so the user interfaces can't be too complicated (GUI?).
p>
p> SOFTWARE
p>
p> Is there any "open source" software that can help me with the
p> inventory and tracking ? or
p>
p> Would I have to write a program from scratch or could I modify some
p> existing software ? or
p>
p> Would it make more sense to just buy the software (for linux) ?
p>
I don't know of any complete and ready-to-run packages, but ALL of the
pieces you need exist:
PostgreSQL -- a full featured database system.
Tcl/Tk -- there is a version of the Tcl/Tk system with an interface to
PostgreSQL. Tcl/Tk is *excellent* for rapidly prototyping a GUI.
p> HARDWARE
p>
p> This is an easy (well easier) one for me, first I would make sure the
p> hardware (I'm buying) is linux compatible. I would go out and buy B/W
p> 9" monitors, those cool small cases (with the 810e chipset, if the
p> 810e is linux compatible), and celeron cpus, etc. I would pick up
p> some retractable keyboard and mouse holders and set up several rack
p> mount style data centers throughout the factory (I would love to set
p> this up!!!)
p> On the server side, things get a little tricky, maybe (just maybe) tie
p> into a win 2000 server (A lot depends on what existing system they
p> already have, and we all know that many of the existing systems will
p> be win98, etc). I guess the management would need to access the data
p> entered by the factory workers to check progress, productivity, etc.
p> A linux server could be used and we could somehow give the management
p> access to this server though their existing win boxes (secure CRT ?).
p> Or we could design a simple way to access and read the data in linux
p> (write a small reporting program or use some simple database program)
p> and also have the forms printed automatically at the end of the day.
p>
The only real isses WRT hardware will be things like NICs (avoid the
cheap NE2000s clones) and video cards (X Server support). Most of the
problems with video cards are the bleeding edge 3D AGP cards. Since you
are dealing with a low-res B&W system and don't really need
real-time-3D-animation-role-playing-game sillyness, any common video
card will do just fine. Everything else is pretty standardized.
For the management types, you can use a Linux server and let the
management types keep their silly winblows boxes. You can do one of
two things: set up an interface via Tcl-based CGI scripts running on an
intranet web server on the server box -- the management types just fire
up netscape or (shudder) IE and connect to the webserver (not on the
live InterNet) and use some nice friendly CGI forms. You would use the
non-GUI version of the Tcl<=>PostgreSQL package to run these scripts.
OR you can install X Server software on the winblows boxes and have the
management types login via XDM to the linux server and use a Tcl/Tk
GUI.
p> SUPPORT
p>
p> Depending on the size of the factory, in-house linux/windows support
p> would be smart, But if it's a small company, then they could call on
p> the systems/software provider (me) for support. From what I read
p> about linux, if I design the system right, there won't be to many
p> problems. I would probably set up a service contract where I would
p> come in every month and check things out.
Yep. You might want to have the managers hire on a full time 'office
net support' guy to help them with 'silly' problems with their winblows
boxes, including answers to 'How do a do [stupid thing] in Word?' type
questions.
p>
p> SECURITY
p>
p> This system would not be accessible from the outside, This is a lone
p> factory (pretty rare in today's world, but let's keep things simple :)
p> Managers would have internet access, so normal virus protection, and
p> other precautions would be in place.
Right. You should have TWO networks: a factor-internal one and
firewalled one to the 'outside':
[factorynet]=======[firewall]========[public webserver and mail server]->'net
| | | | | |
[factor floor |
data terminals] |====================...
| | | | |
[managers]
Actually, there is no reason not to have N sets of these for companies
with multiple factories. One can use SSH through the firewall to allow
*secure* communication between distant factories. Not on a
minute-by-minute basis, but things like daily, weekly, or monthly
reports. Maybe a another server at the company HQ...
p>
p> FORGET LINUX
p>
p> If, for some strange reason it would be better to do this on some
p> other platform, like freeBSD, or windows 2000, please tell me. Let's
p> assume that the factory is a midsize factory (40-60 factory workers,
p> 10-12 manager/sales/etc, and that they will need about 10 data entry
p> terminals, and every manager already has a windows 98 box.
Oh, you can really blow the minds of the manager types by getting a
batch of *cheap* Axis Network cameras. Trivial to tie into the Intranet
webserver on the Linux box and the manager types can get 'live' video of
the factor floor. The Axis Network cameras are in fact miniature Linux
webservers. Visit <http://www.axis.com/r/?keyword=2100prodpage> for
details.
p>
p> NOTE
p>
p> I know I've left out a lot a details, I've never worked in a factory
p> and I'm trying to understand how this can all work together. I think
p> if we let are imaginations loose we can all have some fun with this;
p> and a lot of the newbies to Linux and IT can learn a little.
p>
p>
p>
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From: Chris Gilbreth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: 1280x1024 resolution with Geforce2 MX card
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 17:39:16 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi,
> Has anybody been able to set 1280x1024 @ >70Hz vertical
> refresh rate with their Geforce2 MX graphics card on Linux? If
> so, I would be grateful for some help.
>
> I have managed 1024x768 @85Hz and also 1280x1024 but at a
> refresh rate of only 60Hz (which is quite hard on the eyes).
>
> I am running Redhat 7.0 with Xfree86 V4.0.2 with the Nvidia
> drivers
>
> NVIDIA_Kernel-0.95
> NVIDIA_GLX-0.95
>
> Graphics Card: NVIDIA Geforce2 MX - 32MB
>
> Monitor: Mitsubishi Diamondplus 73 (Diamondtron NF)
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> krishan
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
I am running 1280x1024 @ 85Hz with a configuration similar to yours; your
problem is most likely the limitations of your monitor. You need to
check the "Monitor" section of your XF86Config file and make sure the
horizontal and vertical scan rates comply with the specifications of your
monitor, which should be available in the manual for your monitor or
possibly on the manufacturer's website. I've included the appropriate
section from my XFF86Config file; note that you should NOT use these
exact settings, but should use the ones available from the manufacturer
of your monitor.
Section "Monitor"
Identifier "Generic Monitor"
HorizSync 30-96
VertRefresh 50-160
Option "DPMS"
EndSection
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