Linux-Misc Digest #261, Volume #27 Thu, 1 Mar 01 11:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: more help needed with changing root password ("Peter T. Breuer")
Fidomailer ifcico and incoming connections (long) (Oliver Battenfeld)
Re: Plextor can't mount CDs 121032A does not grab > 8x ("Mike Paul")
Re: Dell 120T DLT-4000 Autoloader w/Robot - Control? ("Dennis")
Re: Your Favourite X or Gnome Software? (aflinsch)
Re: suidperl - where the hell is it? (Art Haas)
Re: X Server questions (Michel Bardiaux)
Re: Web page publishing ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: X Server questions (Michel Bardiaux)
Re: Is my server sending information to Redhat? (Dustin Puryear)
Re: Web page publishing ("steve")
Re: X Server questions (Lew Pitcher)
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: more help needed with changing root password
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 15:16:33 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Jean-David Beyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
>>
>> In comp.os.linux.misc Jean-David Beyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > "Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
>> > Is that a good idea? Once you run pwunconv, everything is as in the
>> > bad old days. Someone could copy his /etc/passwd out the Internet,
>>
>> How? They have to get on to his machine to read it, and if they
>> have got on to his machine, then they don't need to read it.
> They might get on as an ordinary user (by maladministration of the
> system) and read /etc/passwd so as to crack the root password. They
If they are on your machine, they can run easier root exploits.
Cracking a password is the difficult way! (It should take months).
And if they get on your system as you (you being the only user in the
situation we are discussing - only one user), then there is no point
in cracking root. Editing your .cshrc or .profile will do fine as
a way to get all your powers.
> might have sniffed somebody's telnet sessions, for example, or nfs may
To run a sniffer they have to be root.
> not be securely set up.
NFS doesn't pass passwords (and can't be securely set up) .. you mean
either NIS or a kerberized NFS or a bit of NFS v3 that I don't even want
to _know_ about.
>> 8-byte encryption? Not sure what you mean but the standard unix
>> passwd encryption is perfectly safe by all reasonable measures.
> I was thinking that the MD5 encryption of passwords, that permit
> passwords to be over 8 characters long (255 characters max, IIRC), was
> more secure than the old crypt(3) encryption with the Enigma 3-rotor
> scheme that has long been the default.
In the sense that millennia to crack is longer than several months or
years (depending on what you use, but being realistic). If a cracker
wants to devote his computing resources to that, then he's crazy .. he
could pay me the amount he'd have to invest in time and equipment and
I'd tell him it in return! Please!
>> I meant that there is no point in using shadow on a system that
>> doesn't have any other users to protect the passwd file from.
>>
> I see we have different viewpoints. My view is that if you have more
> than one user (e.g., root and at least one other is more than one),
You have root + another. Becoming root does not give him access to more
info than "another" already had, because there is no more info. It
gives him the power to alter your system, but that power is pointless.
Peter
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From: Oliver Battenfeld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Fidomailer ifcico and incoming connections (long)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 16:08:03 +0100
Hello there,
I'm trying to set up a fidonet node system with ifcico (2.14 tx 8.10,
running on Debian Linux 2.2).
Outgoing connections ("ifcico fxxx.nxxx.zx") are running fine as far as I
can tell.
Incoming connections are handled by mgetty (1.1.21):
##### data dev=ttyI1, pid=25003, caller='xxx', conn='64000/X.75', name='',
cmd='/usr/lib/ifmail/ifcico', user='**EMSI_INQC816'
Contrary to any outgoing call, incoming connections do not appear in the
/var/log/ifmail/iflog-logfile. I configured syslogd to log local0.* to this
file as well.
Calling myself with some point software, I found out, that ifcico indeed
accepts a connection - though most of the time EMSI handshakes fail the
first 2 or 3 times (or even more). But: Inbound/outbound data transfers are
aborted with a timeout - as a caller, I can't send packets nor receive any.
Without a log of this, I can just guess, what might be the problem. I even
generously adjusted permissions for /var/spool/ftn/* - no go.
Any hints ? Maybe there' s a nice ifcico fido sysop out there who's even
willing to contact me via e-mail to help me out ...
TIA !
--
Ciao,
Oliver
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From: "Mike Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Plextor can't mount CDs 121032A does not grab > 8x
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 10:10:53 +0500
> I don't think it's a motherboard problem, but a question anyway. My
> mainboard recognizes the drive as Pio Mode 4, is it the same on your
> system?
Yes, the bios says it's in PIO mode 4, and the DVD drive is in DMA mode
2. But Linux puts the Plextor drive in DMA mode. ("hdparm -v /dev/hdc"
shows "using_dma" as 1.) That's under 2.4; I don't know if 2.2 uses DMA
on it or not, and I wonder what would happen if I were to disable DMA
before trying to mount anything. I'll have time to try that later...
> I guess the burner just doesn't mount normally under 2.4 kernel. BTW,
> have you tried it under 2.4.1 or 2.4.2?
I'm using either 2.2.18 or 2.4.2, depending on which I decide to boot.
> PS: How about Audio grabbing speed ?
It seems the same as when I rip in Windows using Plextor's software,
which never hits the 32x the drive is supposed to be capable of with this
firmware, but it does go above 8x. Cdparanoia doesn't show the actual
reading speed though; how do you check?
--
Mike Paul
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.lehigh.edu/~mbp2/
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From: "Dennis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Dell 120T DLT-4000 Autoloader w/Robot - Control?
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 15:32:56 GMT
Oh yeah, I know the pain... the PAIN!!! I have a Sony TSL-9000 autoloader
and found that I had no choice but to shell out a few more grand just to get
Arkeia. And then the pains started. That damn software never runs smoothly
for more than 3 weeks. If it's not this, it's that. And the worst?
Sometimes the backups appear fine. Then when I do a test restore on a
virgin machine, certain directories would be restored as empty! Nothing
inside! What kind of crap is that?
I hate Arkeia!
"Robert A. Matern" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:97l05i$jud$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> We've got a Dell 120T DLT-4000 autoloader which was purchased with a Dell
> Poweredge 2450 dual-Pentium server (very recently) preloaded with RedHat
> Linux. So far, we've found no reliable way to utilize this tape drive.
> Dell has not been able to help, either.
>
> The Arkeia software originally selected had the annoying habit of crashing
> the server during backup operations. Hardware was ruled out by Dell tech
> support... so the problem is in the software. So Arkeia was ditched in
> favor of simpler backup methods, since our needs are modest. The unit was
> placed in sequential mode, and loaded with tapes for daily backups using
> cpio or tar or an fbackup-type program. However, this necessitates
> resetting the sequence (to the beginning) manually every Monday.
Management
> wants this automated...
>
> So the one remaining problem is how to control the DLT autoloader...
> specifically, how to reset the sequence under software (or command-line
> script) control. Does anyone here know how to do this simply? Or does
> anyone know of a *reliable* and *cheap* backup package that can handle
this
> DLT autoloader properly?
>
> Our management is annoyed that they've purchased a $6000 tape unit and
> cannot utilize it... and they aren't willing to shell out thousands more
> trying to find software to run it... *sigh*
>
> --
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From: aflinsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Your Favourite X or Gnome Software?
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 10:08:35 -0600
Scot Mc Pherson wrote:
>
> What is your favourite software to use for e-mail, usenet and web-browsing?
Mail - kmail
Usenet - pan or slrn
Web - Netscape, Opera & mozilla
> What is your favourite productivity software for things like documentation,
> spreadsheets, presentations?
StarOffice for all of them, ocassionally WordPerfect
> And finally, how about database software, what are your favourite servers
> and front ends?
Database - Oracle
> --
> Scot Mc Pherson
> http://www.behomet.net
> N27� 19' 56"
> W82� 30' 39"
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From: Art Haas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: suidperl - where the hell is it?
Date: 01 Mar 2001 09:36:09 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ken Williams) writes:
> I've looked eveywhere, I do not have suidperl on my system, freshmeat, osdn,
> etc all do not have anything. Where can I get this?
It's built when you build perl, if you choose so.
http://www.perl.com
--
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# Art Haas
# (713) 689-2417
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From: Michel Bardiaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: X Server questions
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 15:41:55 GMT
Wayne Howarth wrote:
>
> Lew,
>
> Your reply was much appreciated. Thanks.
>
> In the following diagram am I right in thinking that although you are
> sitting at 'mysystem', the WM and DM are physically located on different
> machines?
Correct: the WM and/or DM need not run on the same host as the Xserver.
Although for performance reason one *usually* runs them there.
> Presumably your application running remotely on 'appsystem' would
> make use of the X Server on the same machine, but that the X Server would
> send all output to 'mysystem'... is this what the
>
> DISPLAY = <machine>
>
> environment variable is used for?
No. The diagram does not show an Xserver on 'appsystem' but even if
there were one, it would be totally uninvolved. DISPLAY tells 'xload
app' that it should connect to the Xserver on 'mysystem'. Directly. No
relaying.
>
> Finally how would the X Server running on 'appsystem' know to use the WM and
> DM on the other two machines.
Because the DM and WM are started with... guess what...
DISPLAY=mysystem, and make themselves known to Xserver at 'mysystem'.
>
> Once again thanks,
> Wayne.
>
> > TCP/IP network
> > ------------------------------------------
> > / / / \
> > | | | |
> > +-----------+ +-----------+ +----------+ +----------+
> > | appsystem | | wmsystem | | dmsystem | | mysystem |
> > +-----------+ +-----------+ +----------+ +----------+ +- monitor
> > | xload app | | FVWM95 wm | | GNOME dm | | X server |-+- keybd
> > +-----------+ +-----------+ +----------+ +----------+ +- mouse
> >
> > I can sit at "mysystem", and run an X client application on
> > "appsystem" which will display it's windows on "mysystem". Further,
> > those windows will have window controls provided by the FVWM95 window
> > manager running on "wmsystem" and drag'n'drop facilities provided by
> > the GNOME desktop manager running on "dmsystem". "appsystem" does not
> > need a local X server, neither does "wmsystem" or "dmsystem".
Greetings.
--
Michel Bardiaux
Peaktime Belgium S.A. Rue Margot, 37 B-1457 Nil St Vincent
Tel : +32 10 65.44.15 Fax : +32 10 65.44.10
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Web page publishing
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 16:32:26 +0100
Goodyear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jeff Roediger wrote:
> For example, I wanted to change my logo so I decided to install the GIMP.
> 7 meg rpm download. My package amanger complains that it won't handle
> anthing with major number => 3. Downloaded 3 new versions of RPM to no
SO GET A VERSION 3 RPM!
Do not switch to the unstable rpm 4. How do you know the package
content was even aimed at your distro?
Peter
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From: Michel Bardiaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: X Server questions
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 15:51:41 GMT
Wayne Howarth wrote:
>
> Thanks for your reply.
>
> > Then there are the widget sets, these are libraries that contain the
> > widgets (e. g. menus, buttons, checkboxes, edit fields ...). The GNOME
> > environment uses GTK+, KDE uses Qt.
>
> Are these the libraries that are used by the Desktop Manager to display
> buttons, etc?
Actually, every application is free to choose its own toolkit. If you
like potatoid buttons and menus with serrated edges... go on! Simply,
all tools using GTK have more or less the same 'look and feel' - and
notably the DM and WM tools. But you can very well use KDE as DM, and
run GIMP which is GTK-based.
>
> Should I wish to do some development in the future, I guess I'd not need to
> be concerned what visual objects (e.g. buttons, windows) would look like
> when run under another window manager, but that I'd simply create them using
> the environment that I would be working under??
No, no, the look-and-feel of the 'visual objects' (which BTW are called
'widgets' by most 'nix toolkits) is governed by the *libraries* to which
one given applications links. Change the WM, that will only change the
look of the window borders, where the resize handles are, what there is
in the 'system' menu, whether you click left, middle or right on the
root window to access the 'start' menu... Change the DM and... I dunno,
I don't use any. But the *inside* of application windows will not
change.
> I seem to remember in the
> past that although I used the 'twm' (?) window manager, by using various
> libraries applications could be made to have 'Motif like' characteristics.
>
> Regards,
> Wayne.
Greetings.
--
Michel Bardiaux
Peaktime Belgium S.A. Rue Margot, 37 B-1457 Nil St Vincent
Tel : +32 10 65.44.15 Fax : +32 10 65.44.10
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dustin Puryear)
Subject: Re: Is my server sending information to Redhat?
Date: 1 Mar 2001 15:39:27 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 24 Feb 2001 12:47:28 GMT, Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>M$ crap. (anyone know how to easiy remove the "use netbios over
>tcpip" thing?)
This would essentially disable Microsoft networking, so why would you want to?
Regards, Dustin
--
Dustin Puryear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Integrate Linux Solutions into Your Windows Network
- http://www.prima-tech.com/integrate-linux
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From: "steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Web page publishing
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 10:36:19 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OnThu, 01 Mar 2001 07:10:55 -0500, "Robert Heller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Goodyear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> In a message on Wed, 28 Feb 2001 22:01:20 -0500, wrote :
>
> G> Robert Heller wrote: G> G> > Goodyear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, G>
> > In a message on Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:56:05 -0500, wrote : G> > G>
> > G> Jeff Roediger wrote: G> > G> G> > G> G> > G> > Brian G> > G> >
> You wont find anything like FP on linux or freeBSD. G> > G> > There
> are programs like Bluefish that are out there. But you do need G> > to
> G> > know html. G> > G> > but just about any text editor will do. G> >
> G> > jeff G> > G> G> > G> Yes, I finally figured this out although I
> settled on QUANTA2 which at G> > G> least makes an attempt to be for
> those of us who are not programmers. G> > With G> it I believe I can
> muddle my way though the site update. G> > G> G> > G> Thanks. I just
> didn't want to have to install a text editor, learn how G> > to G> >
> G> use it, install an ftp program, learn how to use it. Linux is G> >
> wonderful G> but sometimes trying to get any work done is a bear. G> >
> G> G> > G> For example, I wanted to change my logo so I decided to
> install the G> > GIMP. G> > G> 7 meg rpm download. My package amanger
> complains that it won't handle G> > G> anthing with major number => 3.
> Downloaded 3 new versions of RPM to no G> > G> avail Now in the
> process of downloading theGimp sources 12 megs. No G> > doubt G> when
> I try to compile it, something or other will be missing and G> > I'll
> spend G> more time plinking around. G> > G> G> > G> There's something
> to be said for just going down to the Office Depot G> > and G> buying
> a program in a box. G> > G> > What Linux distro did you install ?!?
> GIMP is included in RedHat 5.2 G> > through 6.2 (Don't know about RH
> 7.x). G> G> eDesktop 2.4
>
> Never heard of this one. It *sounds* like one of the sleazy 'easy'
> *small* Linuxe distros. From what I have heard, these 'stripped down'
> distros tend to be more hassle in the long run than one of the various
> full-scale distros (i.e. Slackware, SuSE, Debian, or RedHat).
> Although, these 'full' distros have lots of 'stuff' and might seem a
> little confusing to someone who just wants a basic desktop system, in
> the long run you will sooner or later want random extra bits and
> pieces. It is possible to do a 'minimual' install, and then go back
> and install additional bits later.
LOL, its the desktop distro from Caldera Systems, one of the most
respected distros around - a full scale distro btw that doesn't try to
be bleeding edge therefore it's very stable and just well...works.
For a good gui web page editor for Unix/Linux try Amaya, put out by the
W3 consortium. Quite good for an opensource editor.
BTW The GIMP comes with the eDesktop distro. The user probably didn't
install the right packages in the beginning.
--
Steve - Toronto ICQ 35454764
Powered by GNU/Linux
10:32am up 10 days, 19:41, 9 users, load average: 0.10, 0.07, 0.03
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lew Pitcher)
Subject: Re: X Server questions
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 16:01:08 GMT
On Thu, 01 Mar 2001 15:51:41 GMT, Michel Bardiaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Wayne Howarth wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for your reply.
>>
>> > Then there are the widget sets, these are libraries that contain the
>> > widgets (e. g. menus, buttons, checkboxes, edit fields ...). The GNOME
>> > environment uses GTK+, KDE uses Qt.
>>
>> Are these the libraries that are used by the Desktop Manager to display
>> buttons, etc?
>
>Actually, every application is free to choose its own toolkit. If you
>like potatoid buttons and menus with serrated edges... go on! Simply,
>all tools using GTK have more or less the same 'look and feel' - and
>notably the DM and WM tools. But you can very well use KDE as DM, and
>run GIMP which is GTK-based.
Further, to make an analogy to MSWindows app development, the difference between
these toolkits is like the difference between Microsoft's MFC and Borland's AWT:
both provide a bunch of predefined procedures for displaying certain common
information (i.e. windows, buttons, listboxes, file-selection menus, print
menus, etc.), but they differ in both the API calls used (which function name
and arguments does what) and in the end-result look-and-feel of the widget.
In the X world, instead of MFC and AWT, we have xLIB and GTK and OpenLook and
Motif, and ... (well, you get the picture <g>). There's lots of different
client-side widget sets to choose from, and _none_ of them are the 'officially
approved, gen-you-wine, vendor-branded, use-no-other' API. Each has it's
benefits and drawbacks. Application developers have to choose the
toolkit/widgetset that best suits their (and in their opinion, the user's)
needs.
>> Should I wish to do some development in the future, I guess I'd not need to
>> be concerned what visual objects (e.g. buttons, windows) would look like
>> when run under another window manager, but that I'd simply create them using
>> the environment that I would be working under??
>
>No, no, the look-and-feel of the 'visual objects' (which BTW are called
>'widgets' by most 'nix toolkits) is governed by the *libraries* to which
>one given applications links. Change the WM, that will only change the
>look of the window borders, where the resize handles are, what there is
>in the 'system' menu, whether you click left, middle or right on the
>root window to access the 'start' menu... Change the DM and... I dunno,
>I don't use any. But the *inside* of application windows will not
>change.
>
>> I seem to remember in the
>> past that although I used the 'twm' (?) window manager, by using various
>> libraries applications could be made to have 'Motif like' characteristics.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Wayne.
>
>Greetings.
>--
>Michel Bardiaux
>Peaktime Belgium S.A. Rue Margot, 37 B-1457 Nil St Vincent
>Tel : +32 10 65.44.15 Fax : +32 10 65.44.10
Lew Pitcher
IT Consultant, Development Services
Toronto Dominion Bank Financial Group
(Opinions expressed are my own, not my employers')
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