Linux-Misc Digest #470, Volume #27 Wed, 28 Mar 01 19:13:04 EST
Contents:
Library not found (Neil Kenneally)
Re: The death of MS Office? ("Harlan Grove")
Re: Turn on NumLock by default in future XFree86 ! ! ! ("Harlan Grove")
Re: ssh to linux/unix from windows ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: ssh to linux/unix from windows (Grant Edwards)
Re: ftp permissions (Juergen Heinzl)
Re: Optical Intellimouse Problem ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
migrating /home from / ("Sudhakar R.")
Re: How to tolerate improper shut downs ? (John Thompson)
shoutcast, icecast? ("Sudhakar R.")
Re: QT install problem (Collin E Borrlewyn)
Re: migrating /home from / ("Davide Bianchi")
Re: Turn on NumLock by default in future XFree86 ! ! ! - NOT! ("Jeffrey L. Susanj")
Re: Detecting Users using ssh to connect (Jeremiah DeWitt Weiner)
Re: Red Hat Linux 7.1 (Bob Westwater)
Re: ssh to linux/unix from windows ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Mounting ZIP/Jaz in multiple formats (Trevor Jenkins)
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From: Neil Kenneally <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Library not found
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:30:02 +0100
Hi,
I'm using a package called 'Electric', which allows me to
design and synthesise circuits. Electric can use Java as a
macro language and to this end I have installed JDK 1.1.8
and rebuilt Electric to use Java.
When I try to access Java from Electric I get the following
error:
====== Begin
Failed to locate native library "libnative" in path:
Aborting.
Couldn't find or load essential class `java/lang/Object'
java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError java/lang/Object
Abort
====== End
I have installed 'kaffe' which now lives in /usr/lib/kaffe.
The library libnative.so is installed here. This path is
included in my LD_LIBRARY_PATH (I use csh so I'm not
exporting the path).]
Does anyone have any ideas?
Neil
--
Neil Kenneally
Center for Computational Neuroscience and Evolutionary
Robotics.
The University of Sussex, Falmer, Brighton, UK.
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From: "Harlan Grove" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The death of MS Office?
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 21:33:18 GMT
Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 23:32:16 -0800, Noah Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>>The problem with StarOffice is that it is a slow, memory hoging, POS. I
>>think it has something to do with the language used to make the
>>monster.....which will probbaly not be easy to fix.
>
> Quite frankly most office software, I don't care who it is from, is
utter
>shite. I write everything, virtually everything, in an ascii editor and
that
>is perfectly fine.
>
> Let me ask you this, though. Which is better, the bloated, slow, POS
that
>you have to pay through the ass for or the bloated, slow, POS that is
/free/
>to download?
Limiting this to spreadsheets rather than word processors, text editors
ain't too useful. StarCalc is still bloated, and so is Excel. Applix
Spreadsheet and Xess are both serviceable alternatives with much less
bloat - though not free. Siag is free and may be OK - dunno. gnumeric and
kspread are still too immature even though free.
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From: "Harlan Grove" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Turn on NumLock by default in future XFree86 ! ! !
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 21:33:19 GMT
Seven of Nine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>It is truely amazing that the developers of XFree86 have not thought
>this through.
>In Windows, the NumLock is turned on and the LED is lit by default upon
>boot, which is the way it should be.
...
>obvious issue has been overlooked. NumLock should be turn on and
>activated by *default* upon boot, just as seen in Windows.
...
What Windows (or OS/2 or BeOS or . . .) does is irrelevant to Linux and X. X
is used on more than Intel-based PCs and clones. It's not even necessary to
use a keyboard with a dedicated numeric keypad (see the ads for the 'Happy
Hacking' keyboard). It's also not a set-in-stone default for Windows (at
least not NT - there's a registry setting to fiddle with), and having it ON
is a huge PITA when I'm using my laptop, which implements numeric keys in
the right-hand portion of the QWERTY keys, so I get to turn OFF this
'feature' every time I use the laptop out of its docking station (though I
admit I prefer NumLock on when using the docking station's 104-key
keyboard).
As others have mentioned, NumLock affects how various applications interpret
other keystrokes and mouse actions. This _is_ unfortunate - NumLock should
have no more impact on keyboard/mouse than CapsLock. However, X needs to be
as neutral as possible with regard to hardware, so this may be an
unavoidable necessity of having to support everything from 60-key minimal
keyboards to keyboards supporting various Asian language character sets.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: ssh to linux/unix from windows
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 21:42:04 GMT
ThanhVu Nguyen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sorry, I want to connect to a nix machine and able to use X on it. Can't
> run VNC because the Nix machines don't have those.
That might not be a problem, the vncserver process is started and run
by the user, not root. It's not suid root either. I have never
actually tried to install it as a non-privileged user, but it looks
worth trying.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: ssh to linux/unix from windows
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:05:37 GMT
In article <MUsw6.171200$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>ThanhVu Nguyen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Sorry, I want to connect to a nix machine and able to use X on it. Can't
>> run VNC because the Nix machines don't have those.
>
>That might not be a problem, the vncserver process is started and run
>by the user, not root. It's not suid root either. I have never
>actually tried to install it as a non-privileged user, but it looks
>worth trying.
The times I've used VNC, it's been a "screen-scraper" that
allows remote access to a real-physical screen that is
manipulated by the remote user. Does VNC also operate as an X
server so that there is no pysical display being used?
That would be cool...
--
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Juergen Heinzl)
Subject: Re: ftp permissions
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:14:01 GMT
In article <CTdw6.1500$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Paul wrote:
>I want to setup a ftp server and am confused about the correct permissions.
>I want to allow anonymous access to the pub directory. I want anyone to be
>able to read or download any file or directory within pub. I also want one
>directory that people could upload to. What should the permission be. Thanks
[-]
You might add a user ftp, to start with and a lot depends on which
ftp server you intend to use as with some you can configure access
rights not just with permissions (makes life easier).
Just a link else since it's worth a read and helpful IMHO ...
http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/
... and there ...
Anonymous FTP Abuses
... and ...
Anonymous FTP Configuration Guidelines
... just follow the instructions 8-)
Ta',
Juergen
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Optical Intellimouse Problem
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:30:27 GMT
Jason C. Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm currently running RH 7.1b (wolverine) with 2.4.2 kernel SMP on a VP6
> Abit Mother board. I currently have my optical going in to a USB -> PS/2
> converter going in to a KVM. For some odd reason, I can't get the optical
> to work correctly under RedHat. 90% of the time the mouse will spaz out and
> shoot to the lower left corner, and it will pop up menus and collapse the
It's usually shoots to the top of the screen for me... :-)
I get this when I specify the wrong mouse type in the XF86Config
file. Here's what I use for my Microsoft optical "with IntelliEye"
mouse:
Section "Pointer"
Protocol "IMPS/2"
Device "/dev/psaux"
Buttons 3
EndSection
It works with the Logitec optical mouse on one of my other systems as
well.
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From: "Sudhakar R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: migrating /home from /
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:40:43 -0500
I currently have /home residing on / and would like to make more room on
my / partition. So I've decided to use fips to shrink my windows
partition and free up some space on my hard disk where I can put
/home. Can someone please detail the necessary steps that I shud
follow.
I can work with fips and free up some space on my harddisk. How do I go
about formatting this new space into an ext2 filesystem and then how do I
migrate /home to this new partition.
Thanx in advance,
-sud
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From: John Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to tolerate improper shut downs ?
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 13:27:06 -0600
LFessen106 wrote:
> >Please don't ask me to tell my co-workers not to turn off the computer.
> >You must assume that this is beyond my control.
> Bahh.. Simply be sneaky about it.. grab a power switch off a junk computer,
> open up the case and hook the power up to the junk switch leaving it in the
> case and the actual case switch in place (although no longer connected to
> anything). Then they can flip that switch all the want and it wont do a thing.
You must always assume that a better idiot will eventually come
around and simply unplug the box. Maybe hard-wire it directly
into a UPS?
--
-John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: "Sudhakar R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: shoutcast, icecast?
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:46:02 -0500
I am planning to run a radio station on my linux box and have been looking
at various options. Can someone tell me the most convenient (from the
point of a listener) to stream live audio over the net? I'd prefer that
the listener doesn't haven't download any extra plugins to tune into my
station. I believe that shoutcast and icecast are some of the options..but
shoutcast seems to require the user to download some plugin to listen to
the station. is that right? which one is better between shout and icecast?
Thanx in advance,
-sud
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Collin E Borrlewyn)
Subject: Re: QT install problem
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:54:14 GMT
On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 13:17:44 GMT, Carl Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Collin Borrlewyn wrote:
>
>> I don't know if this is the appropriate place to ask (since this is a linux
>> newsgroup, and not a QT newsgroup) but I don't know where else to look, so
>> here I ask...
>>
>> In short, before installing QT I need to set some environment variables, but
>> I don't know to what.
>>
>> In length:
>> I have a copy of Red Hat 5.2, which I got from a book in my local library.
>> This is currently all I can afford, since I haven't got the money to
>> purchace a copy or the bandwidth to download something better. I installed
>> RH5 on an old system, and have been having a grand old time. After a while I
>> got a book titled Mastering Unix out of the library for help with some
>> configuration (all of which has worked beautifully). This new book had a CD
>> with it containing many things, including complete source for KDE (and QT)
>> and Gnome. So, somewhere along I got the idea into my head that I'd install
>> KDE. The process seemed fairly straightforward, and the book had
>> instructions (of sorts) on what to do. But it assumed QT was already
>> installed, so I was on my own for that. The trouble is that when I get to
>> the 'make' step, it spits out errors amounting to needing environment
>> variables LD_LIBRARY_PATH, LIBRARY_PATH, and CPLUS_INCLUDE_PATH to be set.
>> And they are not. While the other item that needed to be set (MANPATH) I
>> mannaged to figured out, I don't know where to begin on these others.
>>
>> So... what should such variables be set to? Why are they not set already?
>> And, if this is not a good place, where do I ask?
>>
>> ~Collin
>
>LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/X11R6/lib
>
>or wherever your X11 libraries are, it could vary
>
>also, say all the qt stuff is in /usr/local/qt, you might want to do:
>$QTDIR=/usr/local/qt
>
>LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:$QTDIR/lib
>
>CPLUS_INCLUDE_PATH=$QTDIR/include
>
>LIBRARY_PATH could probably be set to the same as LD_LIBRARY_PATH, but I'm not
>sure.
>
>Put all this stuff in your .bash_profile, log out then log back in again.
>
>Check the variables are set to the correct values with
>
>echo $CPLUS_INCLUDE_PATH
>
>Frankly it is a bit wierd these are not set, did you run ./configure ?
>
Oddly, there was no ./configure
I also found it rather strange that such things weren't set on
install. Perhaps a quirk of this particular version of the distro?
Anyway, after setting the env vars as you suggested it now appears to
be working. Goodbye FVWM, hello KDE.
use sig;
my $sig = new sig;
my $name = $sig->name;
my $email = $sig->email;
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From: "Davide Bianchi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: migrating /home from /
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:00:52 -0800
"Sudhakar R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I can work with fips and free up some space on my harddisk. How do I go
> about formatting this new space into an ext2 filesystem and then how do I
> migrate /home to this new partition.
In a nutshell: you use fdisk to create the new partition, then
mkext2fs to format it.
Mount the new partition somewhere (under /mnt/temp for example) and then
use cp -Rp to copy your /home into the new partition
(be sure you have enough space).
Rename (with mv) the hold /home, mount the new /home in place.
Then modify the /etc/fstab to mount the new partition under
/home automatically.
See also the TIPS-HOWTO
at http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/Tips-HOWTO.html
Davide
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From: "Jeffrey L. Susanj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Turn on NumLock by default in future XFree86 ! ! ! - NOT!
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:42:15 GMT
"Chris Coyle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:mEpw6.5075$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> 1. Kindly refrain from presenting your opinions as gospel.
> 2. I don't give a damn what windows does.
> 3. I hope XFree86 does not change this. I like my numlock off,
> thank you very much.
>
>
>
This is a rare case where it does matter to me what Windows does. I am
unfortunate enough to have to use Windows at work and with the num lock on
by default I have gotten used to reaching for the keypad to type in number
strings. But, when I get home I do the same thing and find myself roaming
around the screen because the num-lock is off. It seems that the num lock
state is set at logon rather than at X startup since I can set it on and log
off and logon again and it is unset. Is this controllable in an init file
somewhere? Also, is it a function of X, the display manager or the window
manager? I.e. will it work differently with Black Box as opposed to KDE?
Jeff S.
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From: Jeremiah DeWitt Weiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Detecting Users using ssh to connect
Date: 28 Mar 2001 23:08:12 GMT
Michael Heiming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I had the same problem a while back and was never really able to
>> figure it out - but I did notice that the sshd binary on my machine did not
>> checksum the same as the binary on another host (which did not have the
>> 'invisible users' problem). I copied over the sshd binary, restarted sshd,
>> and all was well.
> That's curious, was this the same sshd version? What kind of distro do you use?
It's been a while...I think I was using Slackware 7.1. I don't
remember where I'd gotten the bad sshd from. I think I replaced it with the
same version. Not very helpful, I know...
JDW
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From: Bob Westwater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc,redhat.general
Subject: Re: Red Hat Linux 7.1
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:49:57 -0500
E J wrote:
> First quarter of 2001: codename Florence probably includes kernel 2.4.x
>
> rick wrote:
>
> > Any estimated release date for rh 7.1?
> >
> > thx
I am running the 7.1 beta 2.4.0-0.99.11
as you can see it has teh 2.4 kernel
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: ssh to linux/unix from windows
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 23:56:21 GMT
Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The times I've used VNC, it's been a "screen-scraper" that
> allows remote access to a real-physical screen that is
> manipulated by the remote user. Does VNC also operate as an X
> server so that there is no pysical display being used?
>
> That would be cool...
On a Linux/Unix (I've used it under HPUX as well), it's actually an X
server. When you start it up, it is just another display/screen, the
next free one. If your machine is named nessus, the X server on your
physical screen might be nessus:0.0, the X server that the vnc user
(there can be more than one remote vnc user) sees might be
nessus:1.0. A third might be nessus:2.0
On Windows, which does not have the concept of displays and screens,
you just wind up with a second keyboard and mouse controlling the same
screen.
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From: Trevor Jenkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Mounting ZIP/Jaz in multiple formats
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 23:56:06 +0000
I've read the relevant HOWTOs regarding usage of Iomega's Jaz and Zip
drives. However, there's one issue that I still unclear about.
I don't quite understand from the various HOWTOs how to mount a Jaz or
Zip cartridge depending upon its format: ie MS-DOS
(FAT-16/FAT-32/whatever) or Linux native. Also there is no mention of
how to mount a Mac format cartridge. I use all three systems and need to
backup files from either the "MS-DOS" machines or Apple Macs and restore
to the Linux systems.
What amendments should I make to /etc/fstab so that I can mount an
arbitrary Jaz/Zip disk? Of course, I'll know what format the disk is in
but do I need to specifiy this on the mount?.
Regards, Trevor
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