Linux-Misc Digest #866, Volume #27 Tue, 15 May 01 12:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Compile GCC 2.95.3 in RedHat 7.0 failed !! (Christian Rose)
Re: Newbie question on librairies (Jeremiah DeWitt Weiner)
Re: Disk errors with kernel 2.4.2 (Kwan Lowe)
Re: My Linux Experience (Steve Sivier)
Re: news/mail clients ("Rene M�rten")
Re: wie funktioniert apt-ftparchive ? ("Rene M�rten")
Re: improper /boot/System.map when installing new kernel (Kwan Lowe)
Re: System.map and multiple kernel versions. (Paul Kimoto)
Mandrake 8.0 problems (Eric Anderson)
Re: No DNS with DHCP sometimes (Dean Thompson)
RH7.0 port 110 connection refused ("John-Paul Delaney")
Special Characters ("Jason C. Hill")
PDA brand and type that runs linux... ("jan vandesompele")
Re: Disk errors with kernel 2.4.2 (Vladimir Florinski)
Re: Disk errors with kernel 2.4.2 (Vladimir Florinski)
Re: PDA brand and type that runs linux... ("Wayne Osborn")
Re: Linux in college & high school (Yvan Loranger)
Re: kernel panic every night (Stayka deyAvemta)
Re: Problem compiling Ed-0.2 ("Michael Pye")
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From: Christian Rose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Compile GCC 2.95.3 in RedHat 7.0 failed !!
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:03:28 +0200
"Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
> >> It certainly was experimental.
> > How come? It's a tested and reliable compiler.
>
> No it isn't. Your saying it does not make it so!
Yes it is. You may disregard from what I'm saying, but most people
actually using gcc 2.96 will tell you the same thing. It doesn't become
untested and unreliable just because you say so.
> It was not released by the gcc team.
True. Thet doesn't change the fact that it can be (and is) a tested and
reliable compiler nevertheless.
> It was not ready for a release when it was hijacked by RH.
No, it wasn't. When it was released later on, it was.
> When it was put out on their distro by readhat, it plain didn't work .. its
> executables did not run on my machines (even when linked
> statically, which is a trick I don't quite understand but would
> love to replicate - presumably a symbol fixup problem on load) and
> vice versa.
So, how does it work with gcc 2.96-81? Have you actually tried it?
> >> It was a not-for-publication development version.
>
> > I think we are talking about different things. I'm talking about the
> > released gcc 2.96 (or gcc 2.96-rh or whatever you want to call it) and
> > you are talking about gcc cvs. Those are different things. Only if you
>
> The difference is minor.
No, they aren't. One works and one doesn't.
> > choose to completely ignore the fact that gcc 2.96 was tested and fixed
>
> It wasn't.
It was. Just because you say so doesn't suddenly make it untested and
unfixed.
> > and made a reliable compiler before being released, those two versions
>
> It wasn't.
It was. There were some rare instances were correct code wouldn't
compile, those issues were fixed with the gcc errata. There is no
perfect compiler.
> > are equal. Please don't ignore such facts (although you do that all the
> > time anyway).
>
> Saying they are "facts" does not make them so, especially when they are
> not so.
They are facts. Nothing you have come with so far could even remotely be
called "a fact" (more of the kind "blatant lie").
> Did it pass gcc's own regression tests?
The gcc steering committe did not officially release it, and you know
that. You also know that releasing a compiler without regression testing
would be stupid, and you also know that a lot of the gcc people are
actually Red Hat people and most certainly know how that testing is
made. Now go figure. Not that the gcc steering committee would ever
admit that it passed tests, since they didn't do the testing.
> Can it YET compile gcc 2.95? Can it yet compile a kernel reliably? The answer
> is NO to both of those.
You're spouting out lies. Not only are you calling me a liar since I've
successfully compiled kernels with gcc 2.96, you're also calling
everybody else that has done the same a liar. More people than me in
this thread know for a fact that compiling 2.4 kernels with gcc 2.96
works just fine, and has said so.
Please go troll somewhere else, your stupid FUD ramblings are no fun to
anyone.
Christian
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From: Jeremiah DeWitt Weiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Newbie question on librairies
Date: 15 May 2001 14:28:35 GMT
Natacha Joseph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have installed njamd and i'm now trying to run it in console mode.
> But I always have this message :
> /bin/bash: error in loading shared libraries: libnjamd.so: cannot open
> shared object file: No such file or directory
Firstly, make sure that the library is readable (always check the
simple things first) as well as the directory it's in. If those are OK,
try setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH to the directory that the library lives in.
Run ldd on the library to make sure it's not linked to something else you
need.
JDW
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From: Kwan Lowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Disk errors with kernel 2.4.2
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 14:40:32 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Vladimir Florinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Now this is definitely not the state of events I would like them to be. My
> old RedHat 6.1 worked fine on this machine on an old Seagate hard drive.
> It seems therefore that either the 2.4.2 kernel is broken or the new disk
> is defective. The log file would occasionally have this message:
I had similar problems with 2.4.2 and 2.4.3, usually when deleting large
directories from ext2 partitions. The problem seems to be fixed in 2.4.4 but
I've not fully tested it yet.
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From: Steve Sivier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: My Linux Experience
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 14:42:53 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Robert Heller
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve),
> In a message on 14 May 2001 23:16:15 GMT, wrote :
>
> S> I ended up getting rid of the Epson Colour Stylus because I
> S> couldn't get it to work, and the replacement doesn't work all
> S> that well either. I wanted to print from Star Office, but I
> S> can't get it to recognize the ports so ended up just printing
> S> through gv, and saving the doc files that I create in ps format.
>
> *I* have no problems with the Epson Colour Stylus 600 I bought from my
> mom. Set up a ghostscript filter with the uniprint driver. I in fact
> have two print queues: color (1440x720DpI) and fastcolor (720x720DpI).
> (RH 5.2, GS 5.10 (1998-12-17))
>
> I don't use Star Office -- I use LaTeX and things work just fine.
I don't have a problem printing from Star Office using my Epson Stylus
Color 740, that is once I got the printer set up. There are a number of
apsfilter drivers for Epson Stylus printers and the first two I tried
didn't work. But the one I'm using right now works great (I don't have
linux up and running right now so I'm not sure which one that was).
Steve
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From: "Rene M�rten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: news/mail clients
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:38:22 +0200
andi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> I'm in the process of a slow migration to linux - but I need
> recommendations regarding mail and news clients.
KMail & KNode looking fine !
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From: "Rene M�rten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: wie funktioniert apt-ftparchive ?
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:41:00 +0200
Thomas Weidner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
9d6j28$rl1$00$[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> hi NG
>
> ich hab mich dazu in den man pages erkundigt,bin aber nicht schlau
> geworden,kann mir da jemand helfen ?
das ist ne englischsprachige Newsgroup, glaube Du solltest in der deutschen
posten :)
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From: Kwan Lowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: improper /boot/System.map when installing new kernel
Crossposted-To: osu.sys.linux
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 14:55:14 GMT
doug reeder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> depmod -a 2.2.16 gives the following errors, which are for modules
> I can do without, for now:
> /lib/modules/2.2.16/fs/vfat.o: unresolved symbol(s)
> /lib/modules/2.2.16/fs/msdos.o: unresolved symbol(s)
> /lib/modules/2.2.16/fs/fat.o: unresolved symbol(s)
> /lib/modules/2.2.16/misc/lp.o: unresolved symbol(s)
These occur because the modules exist from a previous kernel build, but are not
currently enabled in the active kernel. The easiest way to fix this is to rename
the lib/modules/2.2.16 directory then rerun 'make modules_install'. Doing so
will recreate the 2.2.16 directory with only the active modules.
> When I try to boot using the new kernel, the system complains that
> System.map has the wrong version number, which makes sense because
> there is no version of System.map for 2.2.16, and System.map is a
> symlink to 2.2.17-14:
> /boot/System.map@ /boot/System.map-2.2.12-20smp
> /boot/System.map-2.2.12-20 /boot/System.map-2.2.17-14
Make sure you copy the System.map from your kernel sources to /boot. Then,
delete the symlink to the old version.
from:
http://www.digitalhermit.com/linux/kernel.html
> What do I need to run to fix System.map ?
> --
> P. Douglas Reeder Lecturer, Dept. Computer/Info. Science, Ohio State Univ.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~reeder/reeder.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: System.map and multiple kernel versions.
Date: 15 May 2001 11:02:08 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Wayne Osborn wrote:
> Just curious as to the requirement for /boot/system.map when you have
> multiple kernel versions setup in lilo.
>
> For instance, if I upgrade my 2.2.16 kernel to 2.4.4 and want the option
> to support both with lilo, what system.map should I have in /boot ?
It doesn't matter. LILO and the kernel do not care about
(/boot/)System.map.
Programs like ps(1) and klogd(8) do care, and may spew out some (harmless)
error messages. If you care about that, see their man pages to see where
they look for System.map. Or you can change /boot/System.map at startup
before they are invoked.
--
Paul Kimoto
This message was originally posted on Usenet in plain text. Any images,
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and may be a violation of international copyright law.
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From: Eric Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Mandrake 8.0 problems
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 08:11:22 -0700
Yesterday I installed Mandrake 8.0 on top of a Mandrake 7.2 system. I
reformatted /, but left the /home partition as it was. Both are ReiserFS
formatted.
I'm now having two problems. The first is that I keep getting error
messages like this in the 'messages' file:
May 15 07:29:06 catamount kernel: hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady
SeekComplete Error }
May 15 07:29:06 catamount kernel: hda: dma_intr: error=0x84 {
DriveStatusError BadCRC }
The drive containing all of the above partitions is a 6-month-old IBM 45G
IDE drive. I would hope it's not going bad already!
The second problem is that Mozilla 0.9 is now acting up. When I exit the
program, at least one thread gets hung in uninterruptible wait state, and
nothing short of a reboot will kill it.
These two problems may be related. I'm wondering if there might be any
incompatibility between the filesystem on /home (formatted using the
ReiserFS version in Mandrake 7.2) and the ReiserFS in Mandrake 8.0.
Any thoughts?
Eric
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http://www.ultracode.com/
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From: Dean Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.suse,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: No DNS with DHCP sometimes
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 01:08:06 +1000
Hi!,
> How or where do you specify the -d flag to put the server into debug
> mode?
Depending on how your dhcp server is started, you may need to edit the file
/etc/rc.d/init.d/dhcpd or dhcp (I am not sure what the file is). Look for the
section of the file which is responsible for starting the DHCP server and then
add a "-d" to the line. This will start the dhcp server in debug mode.
>
> Will this also put sendmail into debug mode?
Nope, this is a different program altogether. You might find that sendmail
already provides the logs that you require. Take a look in your
/var/log/maillog file to see if the debugging information you require in there
is present.
See ya
Dean Thompson
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From: "John-Paul Delaney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RH7.0 port 110 connection refused
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 17:18:28 +0200
Hello, any guidance on how to trouble-shoot the following pop3 connection
refused problem would be appreciated:
RH 7.0 - I rpm'd imap and enabled ipop3 and imap in /etc/xinetd.d files.
NTSYSV says ipop3 and imap are automatically started.
chkconfig --list ipop3
chkconfig --list imap
both result 'on'.
netstat -a
Neither pop3 110 nor imap 143(?) appear as listening servers.... though smtp
does.
sendmail working ok (telnet port 25 responds).
mail/access contains hosts allowed to relay
mail/local-host-names contain local aliases
telnet localhost 110 (on mailserver):
unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused.
telnet localhost 143 ditto.
many thanks for any leads,
/j-p.
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From: "Jason C. Hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Special Characters
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:12:44 -0400
Hopefully these will show up correctly.
How would I reproduce an : � on a Solaris keyboard/OS (Or Linux). In case
that doesn't come out correctly, that's the letter e with an ' (accent) mark
over the top of it. It's not sufficient enough for me to type e' in order
to reproduce it.
Thanks,
-Jason
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From: "jan vandesompele" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PDA brand and type that runs linux...
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 17:11:10 +0200
Does anyone know a PDA brand and type that can run Linux? I would like to
have a color display. Don't say the Compaq Ipaq, that's way over my budget
:o(
Kind regards
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From: Vladimir Florinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Disk errors with kernel 2.4.2
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 07:53:56 -0700
Hal Burgiss wrote:
>
> On Mon, 14 May 2001 18:15:52 -0700, Vladimir Florinski
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >So, I would really appreciate some help from those who are familiar with
> >IDE drivers or had similar experiences. My system is not usable at this
> >point and I need to know whether to replace the disk or the OS.
>
> First, I have 7.1 on an IBM harddrive, and after 2 weeks, I ran e2fsck
> -c on it, just to make sure. This is the kind of thing I worried about
> most with 2.4.x. Zero errors though. But this is not a particularly
> heavy used machine. I have it on another system that gets hit much
> harder, with a Maxtor drive (both DMA BTW), and ran e2fsck on it the
> other day. There were a few what looked to be very minor problems.
>
> Do you have a boot disk with a 2.2 kernel? Or make one. Boot with that,
> maybe single user mode, run e2fsk to make sure the disk is good, then
> run something a loop where you copy/delete some directories. Like /usr.
> Do this for a while, then run e2fsk again, and if there are errors, it's
> the disk. I've been there and this is how I proved it to myself. It was
> a new drive, and I didn't want to believe it ;)
>
Well, I still have my old Seagate disk, so I put it in instead of the ORB.
Booted into RH 6.1 (with a custom kernel 2.2.18). I then wrote a script to copy
the entire new /usr tree 25 times into 5 different directories in the new /home
partition (that's over 30GB total) on the IBM disk. Then I forced e2fsck on both
new /usr and /home partitions and got zero errors, just as I expected. This
proves that the disk is not to blame, but Linux is.
It's sad to realize that Linux is unable to properly handle an IDE hard drive.
This is a kind of task it is supposed to do perfectly, without a single error. I
find it disgusting that the kernel development team chose to release a version
that is as unstable as this.
--
Vladimir
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From: Vladimir Florinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Disk errors with kernel 2.4.2
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 08:05:06 -0700
Dave Uhring wrote:
>
> It may be that your Intel system reacts to the drivers in the 2.4.X kernels
> like my VIA MVP4 chipset. Lots of cksum errors?
>
Well, all I have is these hda errors in the system log. These cause massive
filesystem corruption. And the Intel BX has always been well supported by older
kernels.
> Get linux-2.2.19 from ftp.kernel.org, build it and make it your default
> kernel and I expect your problems will disappear.
I doubt a 2.2 kernel would be a drop-in replacement for the 2.4.2 in the new
RedHat. It would break initscripts and a lot of tool would probably stop to work
(procps, util-linux, etc.) I also like certain new features in 2.4 such as drm
modules, new video4linux and better PCI modem support. Well, it's sad that Linux
has evolved to become an unstable OS.
--
Vladimir
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From: "Wayne Osborn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: PDA brand and type that runs linux...
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 23:27:12 +0800
In article <9drgq3$99i$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "jan vandesompele"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does anyone know a PDA brand and type that can run Linux? I would like
> to have a color display. Don't say the Compaq Ipaq, that's way over my
> budget :o(
>
> Kind regards
>
I remember seeing something called the "Yoppi" or similar, sorry, can't
remeber where I saw this... It was not cheap though...
--
Wayne A. Osborn, SCADA Engineer.[dnar AT iinet DOT net DOT au]
Registered Linux User #212818. [2.2.16-22-Win4Lin-686] [i686]
11:20pm up 11:16, 3 users, load average: 4.60, 4.61, 3.76
...Martin was probably ripping them off. That's some family, isn't it?
Incest, prostitution, fanaticism, software.
-- Charles Willeford, "Miami Blues"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Yvan Loranger)
Subject: Re: Linux in college & high school
Date: 15 May 2001 15:43:25 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Yvan Loranger)
"Bobby D. Bryant" ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:
> Dave Martel wrote:
>
>> Or at least a smiley. Without the necessary voice cues, sarcasm just
>> doesn't come across well in text.
>
> Without the necessary voice cues, everything appears to be marked with implicit
> <flamebait></flamebait> tags.
which can be nested :-)
--
Merci........Yvan Pour le plein air: Club Vertige
http://www.ncf.ca/vertige
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stayka deyAvemta)
Subject: Re: kernel panic every night
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 15:43:29 +0000 (UTC)
Cevat Ustun ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: I have a machine here that freezes almost every other night.
: Usually I don't know what went wrong (and I cannot telnet to it ) however
: once I caught it displaying a kernel panic message. (It's running
: kernel 2.2.14-5.0). I've heard that memory problems can cause this
: but the bootup memory test does its thing without problems and I don't
: know of any other way to test the memory. Any ideas?
I had exactly the same problem an it *was* a faulty memory chip,
even though the boot-up memory check went through without any
problems. I strongly suggest checking your RAM anyway. After
I did that, my system ran totally stable again.
Bb, Stayka
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From: "Michael Pye" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Problem compiling Ed-0.2
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:33:46 +0100
I think it is
ln -s "vi -e" ed
or similar. You would have to check the vi option first though. It might
only apply to vim... Check the help files...
MP
"Peet Grobler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:3b00d790$0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Mine didn't even compile outside of the chrooted environment.
> How would you create that symlink? ln -s ed vi -e?
> Michael Pye wrote in message ...
> >Apparently vi -e works the same as ed. I might just forget it and create
a
> >simlink to vi emulating ed.
> >
> >Annoying thing is, I get a different error each time. Once it even
compiled
> >correctly, but I wasn't in the chrooted environment so it was build
against
> >the wrong libraries. Never got it to work again though...
> >
> >MP
> >
> >"Peet Grobler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:3aff7f80$0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> Strange enough... I build a Linux from Scratch this weekend as well.
Got
> >the
> >> same problem, though I cannot remember the exact messages. I continued
to
> >> install the other software, and the machine is now completely
installed,
> >> except for ed. I've tried installing it now, once the machine is fully
> >> installed, but no luck, same problem.
> >>
> >> Maybe, if you have the exact make error messages, you should post them
to
> >a
> >> forum on www.linuxfromscratch.org, or open a bug report for it, or
> >> something.
> >>
> >> Please let me know what you do, since I need to get this resolved as
> well.
> >>
> >> Michael Pye wrote in message ...
> >> >I'm building a Linux from Scratch system and I am receiving an error
> >about
> >> a
> >> >function being defined twice while making Ed-0.2
> >> >
> >> >I have tried the copy from both the LFS site and the GNU site, but
> >neither
> >> >will compile. I am using the latest versions of both gcc and the glibc
> >> >(2.95.3 and 2.2.2). I can't find any patches like the one used to
solve
> a
> >> >similar problem in the findutils-4.1 package.
> >> >
> >> >Has anyone else come across this or a way around it?
> >> >
> >> >Thanks
> >> >
> >> >MP
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
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