Linux-Misc Digest #928, Volume #27 Wed, 23 May 01 12:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: linux libraries (Lack Mr G M)
Re: Load average overtime (Dustin Puryear)
Re: IBM to let Linux fans use mainframe--for free ("fmc")
XWindows desktop not fully coming up. Please help? ("LRW")
HELP! Can't install RH7.1 (Anaconda bombed) (Benjamin Han)
Re: A CPU cooler for Linux? (H Dziardziel)
Re: automount with cd's? ("Florian Schmidt")
Re: gnokii & Nokia 6210 (Rainer Krienke)
Re: XMMS core dumps constantly (aflinsch)
LILO and Operating System Missing ("LRW")
console keyboard failure ("Matt Vanderveer")
Re: how to undo a ramdisk ( /dev/ram* ) ? (Andrew Strebkov)
Re: XWindows desktop not fully coming up. Please help? (Jeremiah DeWitt Weiner)
Re: IBM to let Linux fans use mainframe--for free (Greg Porr)
Re: RedHat 7.1 PS2 mouse problems... (Leonard Evens)
Re: stack trace on linux (Martin Gregorie)
Re: how to undo a ramdisk ( /dev/ram* ) ? ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: XWindows desktop not fully coming up. Please help? ("LRW")
Re: XWindows desktop not fully coming up. Please help? ("LRW")
Re: Dumb newbie question about setting the system time. ("Juergen Fiedler")
Re: XWindows desktop not fully coming up. Please help? (Yvan Loranger)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lack Mr G M)
Subject: Re: linux libraries
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 13:06:07 BST
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
|>
|> I am running RH 7.1 at work and here at home. I have had a problem with
|> a couple differnt programs trying to install or compile from source or
|> from rpm. It is asking for libcrypto.so.0 and libssl.so.0 .
|>
|> Now i have both of these files in /usr/lib. And also have the latest (i
|> think) of these files in there, libcrypto.so.0.9.6 and
|> libssl.so.0.9.6.
How did they get there? These are from OpenSSL.
|> I have tried adding /usr/lib to my path
That will have no effect. LD_LIBRARY_PATH is what affects dynamic
library finding, and /usr/lib is going to be searched anyway. However,
if you haven't rebooted the system since adding them you might neeed to
run:
/sbin/ldconfig -v
as root.
--
========= Gordon Lack =============== [EMAIL PROTECTED] ============
This message *may* reflect my personal opinion. It is *not* intended
to reflect those of my employer, or anyone else.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dustin Puryear)
Subject: Re: Load average overtime
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 07:45:24 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 23 May 2001 02:30:44 GMT, Dances With Crows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 22 May 2001 17:46:25 -0700, Justin Lynch staggered into the Black Sun
>and said:
>>Does anyone know how I can calculate the load average of a machine
>>over a period of say a few hours, days or weeks?
>There's probably a better way to do it; this is just the first thing I
>thought of.
Another alternative would be to download and install sysstat, which includes a
sar implementation for Linux.
Regards, Dustin
--
Dustin Puryear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
http://members.telocity.com/~dpuryear
Integrate Linux Solutions into Your Windows Network
- http://www.prima-tech.com/integrate-linux
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From: "fmc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM to let Linux fans use mainframe--for free
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 13:16:31 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I found this info at:
>
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/zd/20010522/tc/ibm_to_let_linux_fans_use_mainfr
ame--for_free_1.html
>
> Anyone knows how to get this access?
Yes, read this:
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/zd/20010522/tc/ibm_to_let_linux_fans_use_mainfr
ame--for_free_1.html
fm
>
> Zalek
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From: "LRW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: XWindows desktop not fully coming up. Please help?
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 08:28:38 -0500
First the current problem, then what leads up to it.
When I startx, the Xserver starts, but all I get is three term windows and a
clock. The resolution changes work, and the color's fine, so I don't think
it's the device settings in XF86Config. The desktop doesn't come up.
Now when I've installed this version on other workstations it automatically
set to come up with Gnome. The only thing I've done different on this
machine, is I had to upgrade the 3.3.X XFree86 to 4.0.2, then to 4.0.3 so I
can get support for the Prophet II MX video card.
On a side note, it may not be an issue because it looks like the video
card's set fine, but while the XFree86 documentation shows "nv" drivers for
various GeForce cards, the xf86config setup only has NVIDIA listed, and its
compliment driver as "GEFORCE." Though in the config file it does list the
driver as "nv". So it may not be a problem.
Anyway, why is XWindows only coming up with 3 term windows, a clock, and
nothing else? I can left-mouse click and it somes up with a menu that only
has options for refresh, close, and other window specific options.
Thanks for any help!!!
Liam
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Benjamin Han <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: HELP! Can't install RH7.1 (Anaconda bombed)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 09:31:11 -0400
I'm trying a fresh install on my new Compaq Presario 5000 series PC
AMD 1GHz
384MB PC100 RAM
Voodoo 5 AGP graphics card
Intel eepro 10/100 ethernet
30GB UDMA hard drive
I booted my RH7.1 CD and no matter what option I chose (graphical, text,
expert install) they all bombed at Anaconda. The error message looks like
this:
--- error msg ---
Runnin anaconda - please wait...
install exited abnormally -- received signal 11
sending termination signals...done
sending kill signals...done
disabling swap...
unmounting filesystems...
/proc/bus/usb
/mnt/runtime
/mnt/source umount failed ()
/dev/pts
/proc
You may safely reboot your system
--- error msg ---
I've successfully installed W2k on this machine (plus the Windows ME
coming with the box), so hardware problems should've been ruled out.
Any suggestions on what to do next? Any 'alternative' install method that
doesn't require running Anaconda? (I read from RH support website RH7.0
used to have various anaconda problems - but it's RH7.1 I'm trying to
install)
Thank you SO MUCH!
Ben
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (H Dziardziel)
Subject: Re: A CPU cooler for Linux?
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 13:43:01 GMT
On 23 May 2001 14:36:27 +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>>>> "H" == H Dziardziel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>
> H> If I could add to it; my ammeter checks on several laptops
> H> (fairly easy to tap into the power for measuring)
>
>What? You tapped your ammeter to the power supply?
>
>I suppose by "tapping" you mean you put placed the 2 probes in contact
>with two points in the circuit, without modifying (cutting) the
>connections in the circuit. Right? That means you made a parallel
>connection? AFAIK, ammeter readings are only meaningful when you
>connect it IN SERIES to the part being examined. If you connected it
>to the circuit in parallel, I don't know what the reading would
>reflect. (By contrast, voltmeters should be connected in parallel,
>not in series.)
>
>
>
>
>--
>Lee Sau Dan ���u��(Big5) ~{@nJX6X~}(HZ)
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Thanks for your cautions. I should have used more precision in my
terminology. I am an EE originally by the way.
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From: "Florian Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: automount with cd's?
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 16:09:56 +0200
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Peter T. Breuer"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> automounted. i browsed the mountd and automount man-pages, but i just
>> didn't get it..
>
> man autofs. man automount. If you don't get it, you are stuck, because
> that's the way to do it.
hmm, i got to do more reading..
>> now, a super-duper-nifty feature would be an autounmount, whenever
>> leave all the directories on the cd..
>
> That's what normally happens.
ok. thanks
--
florian schmidt
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rainer Krienke)
Subject: Re: gnokii & Nokia 6210
Date: 23 May 2001 14:09:47 GMT
In article <9edl2u$mlo$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jan Slupski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Has anybody succeded in connecting Nokia 6210 with gnokii
> thru irda port?
>
> It works for me with minicom on ircomm driver.
> But gnokii howto say not to use linux-irda.
>
> My irda is connected to PC (not notebook) to connector on
> the mainboard. Should I use linux-irda drivers?
> Sholud I use irattach? Or maybe I have to use raw tty port
> where irda is connected (ttyS1)?
> What model should I use in gnokii configuration?
>
I tried it on a Laptop using irda (teh tty interface) but I did not get anything
from or to the mobile with gnokii. Did you really succeed doing this?
Rainer
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Rainer Krienke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Universitaet Koblenz, http://www.uni-koblenz.de/~krienke
Rechenzentrum, Voice: +49 261 287 - 1312
Rheinau 1, 56075 Koblenz, Germany Fax: +49 261 287 - 1001312
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From: aflinsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: XMMS core dumps constantly
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 10:14:48 -0400
Stefan Viljoen wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> Is there an XMMS faq somewhere or can somebody help - I have RedHat 6.0 -
> sndconfig runs fine and plays the sample of Linus' voice and the midi
> sample. However, trying to play any MP3 with XMMS in Xwindows core dumps -
> no matter what user or what MP3 file. I have already tried chmod'ding my
> /dev/audio /dev/dsp /dev/mixer etc to a=rwx but nothing seems to help - I
> tried chown'ing to root, or any other user these devices too - 0 luck - XMMS
> just keeps dumping core like clockwork. Anybody got any ideas in what
> direction I can head to fix this?
Try to figure out what is wrong -
1 - try some other mp3 player - does it work?
2 - reinstall xmms - did that fix the problem?
3 - recompile xmms from source tarball or src rpm - did that fix the
problem?
You probably upgraded some library that xmmms is depending on. In my
experience, recompiling to the exact libraries that you are using
usually fixes that sort of problem.
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From: "LRW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: LILO and Operating System Missing
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 09:29:23 -0500
I have WinME installed on /dev/hda1, and Linux on /dev/hdb1.
I set up the install the first time to accidently install LILO onto /hda1
instead of /hdb1. No biggie, I just had to type "dos" at the LILO: prompt to
boot up WinME.
However, I had to reinstall Linux, and put LILO on /hdb1 and start from
floppy.
Now when I boot up w/o the floppy, after the POST I get only "LI" of "LILO:"
and it stalls. With the floppy in I get the whole LILO: and it boots to
Linux fine, but if I try to type dos, it says partition doesn't exist.
During setup with Disk Druid, I made no changes to the FAT partitions.
Any ideas?
IF I have to reinstall WinME, it's no big deal. My WinME OS is partioned off
on a seperate partition from the other FAT drive, so nothing important
should be hurt. (Again, I didn't make any changes to the FAT drive.)
My followup question then is if I have to reinstall WinME back onto drive a,
will it change Linux on the drive b at all? I'm doubting it, since I have a
boot floppy for it.
And a last question, I tried to edit the lilo.conf (sp?) file that contains
what OS options to boot too, and while /etc (?) has it, I mounted and ls'ed
the floppy and there's nothing there. How can I edit it on the floppy to
make sure the "dos" aprtition is an option?
Thanks!!!
Liam
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From: "Matt Vanderveer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: console keyboard failure
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 10:28:07 -0400
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Hi,
I am having console keyboard problems. I am running Red Hat 6.2. I shut
down my machine to add additional memory and then rebooted. Upon reboot
I was able to enter the bios, so the keyboard was working fine at that
point. I made no changes in the bios. The booted up fine, with no error
messages on the screen. However, once the system was up, the keyboard no
longer worked. I am able to get into the machine via ssh. I checked the
logs and there were no error messages or bott-time failures listed in
either boot.log or messages. I have tried using different keyboards, but
none of them work. I don't believe that it is a hardware problem as the
keyboard worked fine before the reboot and at boot time to access the
bios. The only thing that changed between shutdown and startup was the
addition of memory. Any help or pointers you can provide would be much
appreciated.
TIA,
Matt
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Strebkov)
Subject: Re: how to undo a ramdisk ( /dev/ram* ) ?
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 17:36:03 GMT
On Wed, 23 May 2001 08:48:11 +0200, Christian Capito
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi there Michael,
>
>
>on Wednesday 23 May 2001 08:18, Michael Heiming quoth:
>
>> Andrew Strebkov wrote:
>>>
>>> How do I "destroy" /dev/ram1 ?
>>
>> umount /dev/ram1
>
>Just a question: umount /dev/ram1 means that the device isn't integrated
>into the filesystem anymore. But does this also mean that the device itself
>is drestoyed?
>I think Andrew wants to know how he can free memory used by the ramdisk.
>That would be interesting if you're tight with memory and have created a
>32Mb ramdisk
>
Thanks to both of you. Apparently, unmounting and then redoing the
'mke2fs' command obliterates the previous /dev/ram1. I guess my
earlier glitches resulted from my exceeding the 4MB limit; I chose to
continue after the mke2fs size warning (quoted below). How does one go
about creating a ramdisk larger than 4MB?? I can't find the
documentation for this. Thanks.
Andrew
]mke2fs -vm0 /dev/ram1 7168
]mke2fs 1.14, 9-Jan-1999 for EXT2 FS 0.5b, 95/08/09
]mke2fs: Filesystem larger than apparent filesystem size.
]Proceed anyway? (y,n) y
]Linux ext2 filesystem format
]Filesystem label=
]1792 inodes, 7168 blocks
]0 blocks (0.00%) reserved for the super user
]First data block=1
]Block size=1024 (log=0)
]Fragment size=1024 (log=0)
]1 block group
]8192 blocks per group, 8192 fragments per group
]1792 inodes per group
]
]Writing inode tables: done
]Writing superblocks and filesystem accounting information:
done
>
>chris capito
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From: Jeremiah DeWitt Weiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: XWindows desktop not fully coming up. Please help?
Date: 23 May 2001 14:47:45 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc LRW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> First the current problem, then what leads up to it.
> When I startx, the Xserver starts, but all I get is three term windows and a
> clock. The resolution changes work, and the color's fine, so I don't think
> it's the device settings in XF86Config. The desktop doesn't come up.
It sounds like you're not getting the window manager you expected.
Do 'ps wux' and see what's running. I'm guessing that your X startup files
are not the way they usually are. Check ~/.xinitrc.
JDW
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM to let Linux fans use mainframe--for free
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Greg Porr)
Date: 23 May 2001 11:08:32 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>I found this info at:
>http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/zd/20010522/tc/ibm_to_let_linux_fans_use_mainframe--for_free_1.html
>
>Anyone knows how to get this access?
http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/os/linux/lcds
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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RedHat 7.1 PS2 mouse problems...
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 09:42:54 -0500
Jeffrey Hood wrote:
>
> Thanks... but I should have posted that it is a symlink to /dev/psaux...
> changing the reference from one to the other doesn't seem to help...
> same errors...
>
> I haven't recompiled the kernel, so that isn't the problem... mostly I
> am wondering why it worked during the install, but not now after the
> install...
>
> Thanks,
> JH
>
> > /dev/mouse is likely a symbolic link pointing at the actual /dev/ file.
> > What is the result of:
> > ls -l /dev/mouse ???
> >
> > It should point at something else. For a PS2 mouse, it should point to
> > /dev/psaux. If it points elsewhere, this is your problem. If so, you can
> > remove symbolic links without hurting the file it points at, so cd to
> > /dev/, then "rm /dev/mouse", and recreate pointing to psaux:
> > ln -s psaux mouse
> >
> > I'm fairly sure that install kernels have ps2 support, so it is unlikely
> > the problem, but if you have recompiled the kernel, you must also add
> > support for ps2 mice there.
> >
> > D. Stimits, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
Go to Bugzilla on the RedHat web site and look at the discussion
for Bug 37812. This refers to an interrupt conflict on irq 12
involving the PS/2 mouse and the PCMCIA controller on Winbook
XL laptops. The interesting point is that in this case, once
pcmcia is run, it claims irq 12 and keeps it at the hardware
level even if pcmcia is stopped. In console mode, as long
as gpm is not running there is not problem. But when you start
X, the interrupt conflict comes out and keyboard and mouse,
which share a controller, freeze. Probably something is claiming
irq 12 that shouldn't be. Try lspci -vv to find out what.
This sort of thing seems like a minor endemic problem in 2.4.X
kernels.
--
Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martin Gregorie)
Subject: Re: stack trace on linux
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 15:19:35 GMT
On Wed, 23 May 2001 16:44:19 +0530, Sandeep Grover
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>hi all.
>
>I have a signal handler for my software that catches the
>deadly signals like SIGSEGV, SIGBUS etc...
>now, I want to print the stack trace for the process, when
>it crashes...can anyone help me with this??
>
pstack for Linux:
http://www.whatsis.com/pstack/
or go via www.freshmeat.net
--
gregorie | Martin Gregorie
@logica | Logica Ltd
com | +44 020 76379111
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: how to undo a ramdisk ( /dev/ram* ) ?
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 17:10:51 +0200
Andrew Strebkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> earlier glitches resulted from my exceeding the 4MB limit; I chose to
> continue after the mke2fs size warning (quoted below). How does one go
> about creating a ramdisk larger than 4MB?? I can't find the
As far as I recall, the maximum size of a ramdisk under the 2.2 kernels
is (by default) 16MB, and a ramdisk expands to this size when you ask
it to by writing to it.
Peter
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From: "LRW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: XWindows desktop not fully coming up. Please help?
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 10:45:42 -0500
Hi! Thanks!
Yeah, someone else told me /root/.xinitrc may need to be fixed. (I'm logging
in as root thus ~/ = /root)
I was given the example it must contain:
exec gnome-session
Is that all it should contain? If I want it to run KDE instead, what should
I put there?
I have a working Linux box here at work, and it's running KDE just fine. I
looked for an .xinitrc and it doesn't have one. WHy might that be?
Thanks for replying!!
Greatly appreciated!
Liam
"Jeremiah DeWitt Weiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9egiih$snb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.misc LRW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > First the current problem, then what leads up to it.
> > When I startx, the Xserver starts, but all I get is three term windows
and a
> > clock. The resolution changes work, and the color's fine, so I don't
think
> > it's the device settings in XF86Config. The desktop doesn't come up.
>
> It sounds like you're not getting the window manager you expected.
> Do 'ps wux' and see what's running. I'm guessing that your X startup
files
> are not the way they usually are. Check ~/.xinitrc.
>
> JDW
>
>
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From: "LRW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: XWindows desktop not fully coming up. Please help?
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:00:53 -0500
Oh, and one other question, how will "ps wux" help? I tried it on my working
Linux box and it comes up with (among a lot of other things)
[startx]
[xinit]
/etc/X11/X :0 -auth /root/.Xauthority
kwm
and so on. What's this supposed to telle me? I looked at the .Xauthority,
but it's all machine code (or rather a bunch of random ASCII symbols.)
I will give a looksee for .xinitrc when I get home to the non-working box.
But again, if that file doesn't exist, do I just make it and use the one
line?
Thanks!
Liam
"Jeremiah DeWitt Weiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9egiih$snb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.misc LRW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > First the current problem, then what leads up to it.
> > When I startx, the Xserver starts, but all I get is three term windows
and a
> > clock. The resolution changes work, and the color's fine, so I don't
think
> > it's the device settings in XF86Config. The desktop doesn't come up.
>
> It sounds like you're not getting the window manager you expected.
> Do 'ps wux' and see what's running. I'm guessing that your X startup
files
> are not the way they usually are. Check ~/.xinitrc.
>
> JDW
>
>
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From: "Juergen Fiedler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Dumb newbie question about setting the system time.
Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:52:20 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Christian Capito"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Joel,
>
> on Wednesday 23 May 2001 04:51, Joel quoth:
>
>> the name. How do I set the hardware time on my computer? I have
>> Windows
>
> You can't set the *hardware* time on your computer - do that in the
> BIOS. Linux gets the hardware time from the BIOS at boot time, offsets
> it according to you time zone setting and then runs its own clock which
> is async to the bios clock.
> Any changes you make to the system clock will be lost at reboot.
>
> Chris capito
I believe that setting the time via 'date' and then doing a
'hwclock --systohc' should write the time to the hardware clock.
I never actually tried that, though, since Debian synchronizes the clocks
automatically during the shutdown process.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Yvan Loranger)
Subject: Re: XWindows desktop not fully coming up. Please help?
Date: 23 May 2001 16:05:26 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Yvan Loranger)
"LRW" ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:
> Hi! Thanks!
> Yeah, someone else told me /root/.xinitrc may need to be fixed. (I'm logging
> in as root thus ~/ = /root)
> I was given the example it must contain:
> exec gnome-session
> Is that all it should contain? If I want it to run KDE instead, what should
> I put there?
>
> I have a working Linux box here at work, and it's running KDE just fine. I
> looked for an .xinitrc and it doesn't have one. WHy might that be?
maybe it uses a global /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xinitrc
--
Merci........Yvan Pour le plein air: Club Vertige
http://www.ncf.ca/vertige
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