>DK> ><snipped double quoted>
>DK> >Pah! You come from Windows, don't you :-)
>DK> >Like someone says in his/her sig:
>DK> >"You have moved the mouse.
>DK> >Windows has to be rebooted for the changes to take effect..."
>DK>
>DK> Then i wonder why there is any reboot option in Linux if it is the most
>DK> fatal error a Linux user can do - i thought Linux is bugless. ;)
>
>You thought wrong dude. No one ever said Linux was "bugless"
This reply was more aimed to the way Marc Mutz replied to it coming along
a bit like the "superior user of Linux who is better than the rest of the
universe". On some days i get ticked off pretty easy, hehe.
>Perhaps you are confusing bugless with robust, stable, superior to
>anything that ever came out of Redmond... :-)
If you are talking about Microsoft Windows 95 i can only say that i
installed it in September 95 and had to do one reinstall because i was
using a broken Bus master driver. I bet Linux would be messed up pretty
much if its kernel is partly broken. Besides that i run that system without
any problems every day, no data loss, no brakadowns, no problems at all.
That's why I don't understand why all the others have so much trouble with
it. I have mostly widely supported hardware, e.g. a genuine SB and not one
of these 66% compatibles, same with my board, nic, scanner, streamer,
drives, video card and so on, so maybe that's why.
I don't call W95 "da bomb" of OS, but i really wonder very hard why my
copy is working so well and all the others don't.
>
>The reboot functionality of Linux is there for three reasons...
>
>1 - To install new hardware.
Hmm, it is more that in interest of the hardware one has to switch off the
puter. I guess if it would work with power on Linux could handle it.
>2 - To upgrade the kernel
Never did that, I'm a bit afraid of that after I tried to get soundcard
support into a SuSE 6.0 and therefore had to recompile the kernel (great,
isn't it ?). As a bloody newbie that is not really what one should start
with. I'm keen on one of these 2.2 kernels, but right now there are new
patch levels every week and i go fine with my 2.0.36.
>3 - For the people who can't bear to let go of Microsoft's apron-strings
That is not really the reason why i shutdown my Linux box after i used it.
Its pretty noisy and in order to save the environment and engery i see no
good reason to let it run 24/7 if i use it only once in a while.
My aim is to get the turn to Linux completely, but as long as I don't have
a clue of half what is going on and i can't do the same tasks as with my
W95 i will use it both in good brotherhood with BeOS.
My intention why i like Linux is not because i hate W95 to death and wish
Bill Gates to rot in hell as it seems to be the motivation for tons of
linux users. IMHO W95 is easier to use than Linux, what doesn't make it
technically better, but for "users" that is what they want - use the
computer and not get a nervous breakdown because they want to install sth
silly like ICQ or an FTP program. I ran into tremendous problems with doing
that on Linux and i'm sick of missing dependencies or 75 MB downloads that
then are an "unknown tar-archive" or request a file that is available under
a slightly different name. I bitched about that in dozens of postings to
the newbie list and Arandir and me came up with the idea to start a
Software-installation-HOWTO as soon as we have time for sth major like
that. I think that would be a great support for anyone who uses Linux and
likes to install something neat like a StarOffice 5.1. I still try to do,
but i can't even unpack the package *argls*.
>
>Not once have I had to reboot because I installed a new program/package or
>because I tweeked or re-configured something (apart from a kernel).
Recently i have the problem from time to time that keyboard and mouse
crash under X, looks like the whole system halts for some reason. Other
days it runs smooth. So my RedHat 5.2 seems not to be that stable as
everyone tries to make me think - and what shall i do then if i can't give
commands (yea, telnet into ur machine....i will then after i finally set up
the network where everyone says too that it is sooo easy :/).
In that case i see no other chance than to press the so widely hated reset
button.
>
>Generally I find that people who constantly reboot Linux are people who
>try to do Linux things the Windoze way, and because it is easier than
>finding out how to do it the Linux way.
Well, what is wrong with doing it the easy way if the result is the same ???
Rather than spending 1.5 minutes
>finding out how to make a process re-read it's configuration they will
>spend 3 minutes re-booting.
Honestly, who worries about 1.5 minutes has a strange problem as i see it.
It is what one wants, either work with software running on the system or
administrate what the system does. To me both is a legitimate way.
It is the same fight with what browser is the best, is it IE, Netscape,
Opera, net+ or whatever it may be - to me they do all the same, they
display websites.
Gee, some like rootbeer and some don't. You know what i mean ?
Greez
Dave
