Linux-Setup Digest #91, Volume #19 Thu, 6 Jul 00 01:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Re: RH 6.2 random rants and raves -- HEY REDHAT! -- Open letter. (Edward A. Falk)
Re: kernel panic ("beo")
Re: Using Ipchains (Mike Kent)
Re: How to make a pc to a router ? (Eric Nichols)
Re: How do I assign major and minor numbers to devices??? -- answer (Edward A. Falk)
Re: Getting a working libg++ on Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: S3 Trio3D/2X VGA card in Xwindow ("Alan Pettigrew")
Re: What is dev/mixer ? (Edward A. Falk)
Re: 2 PCMCIA cards (David Efflandt)
Re: The Big Dogs and the Tech Shitzus. (C.J.)
Re: copy OS2, or win95 partitions using linux DD command? ("Sidney E Mathious")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Edward A. Falk)
Subject: Re: RH 6.2 random rants and raves -- HEY REDHAT! -- Open letter.
Date: 6 Jul 2000 04:27:23 GMT
[Posting this because Redhat doesn't have a "feedback" form that I can
find on their web page, and because I'm curious to see who else
shares these views.]
In article <8jt61t$1q7o$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Edward A. Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>I think the thing that bothers me the most about the RH 6.2 upgrade
>procedure is that it chose to arbitrarily change so many defaults.
>If I'd *wanted* underlined text to be drawn in yellow instead of
>underlined, I'd have changed the defaults myself. If I'd *wanted*
>"ls" to have the "--color==tty" option set, I would have set it
>myself. If I'd *wanted* the backspace key to generate some key other
>than backspace, I would have changed it myself. Etc., etc., etc.
OK, I just spent half an hour or more futzing around with vi, trying
to figure out how to turn *off* all those goddamned bells and
whistles.
DAMMIT REDHAT! I'm not a windoze user. Don't presume to know
better than I do what working environment I want.
I've been tuning my work environment for fifteen years under Unix.
I know what I want. I DON'T need you changing all the goddamn
defaults because some clown thought that his personal settings were
the be-all and end-all of productivity.
Yes, I'll admit that there were some neat features in the latest
version of vim. I may even start using some of them. But just
make a "sample" vimrc file and point me to it. Don't just assume
that I *want* every single gee-whiz feature turned on.
Geez. And I *still* haven't figured out where the
alias ls='ls --color=tty'
default is specified. What did you do, hard-code it into tcsh?
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From: "beo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.suse,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: kernel panic
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 04:37:25 GMT
Hello everyone,
I fixed the problem already. Thanks for all the suggestions.
"Leonard Evens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> beo wrote:
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > When I reboot my SuSE 6.2 , my computer just freeze after the message
below.
> > Does anyone know how to fix this problem? Thanks!!
> >
> > *Partition check:
> > *request_module[block_major_8]: root fs not mounted
> > *VFS:cannot open root device 08:01
> > *Kernel Panic:VFS:Unable to mount root fs on 08:01
>
> Your kernel seems to think the kernel is on /dev/sda1, which
> would be the first partition of a SCSI disk. If you do in
> fact have a SCSI disk, and you are using a generic kernel,
> SCSI support is a module. As a result there has to be
> an initial ramdisk with some vestigal SCSI support built in
> so that you can actually load the kernel. This is handled
> in /etc/lilo.conf with an initrd statement. But for that
> to work, you need to run mkinitrd.
>
> You should still be able to boot from a floppy and fix it
> all.
>
> --
>
> Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
> Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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From: Mike Kent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,linux.help,linux.redhat
Subject: Re: Using Ipchains
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 04:40:18 GMT
Peter wrote:
> I will be very happy if some one could tell me :
>
> What ipchains command will add some delay between packet send from a host?
Can't be done with ipchains.
> What ipchains command will only drop some certain amount of packets?
Can't be done with ipchains.
> What ipchains command will make the connection back as normal without
> restarting the PC?
RTFM -- man ipchains. Basically you want to flush the rules you
have and add whatever new rules you need.
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From: Eric Nichols <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,linux.help,comp.unix.admin
Subject: Re: How to make a pc to a router ?
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 04:41:34 GMT
Based on your other posts on comp.os.linux.setup, I gather that you want
to route traffic from your 3 machine network to the internet. If that is
the case, you'll need to use ip-chains and configure the IP masquerading
(network address translation) feature that Mr. Zahorec alluded to in his
reply. The 10.x.x.x.network is not routeable on the Internet. Check out
the howto compilation sites e.g. http://www.linux.org/help/ for config
instructions.
Good Luck,
Eric Nichols
"Kenneth W. Zahorec" wrote:
> Peter wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I have three computers, using Linux as operative system. I want to
>> connect
>> all of my computer to gather and make one of these computers as a
>> router to
>> my little network.
>>
>> I could send and receive data from each computers. But I dont know
>> how to
>> make one of them be a router? Should I use some special software to
>> make it
>> to be a router. Or I could configure Linux to be a router ?
>>
>> I would be very happy if you could give me some tips about router
>> and how to
>> make a router the software I should use or ...
>>
>> Thanks allot Peter
>
> Any networked pc is actually a router. A pc with a single network
> card in it is a simple router with a single default route which is
> directed out of the box. This default route is typically set up via a
> Dynamic Host Config Protocol (DHCP) server located somewhere on the
> network.
> It sounds like you want to create your own subnet within an already
> existing network. To do this you need to use one of your linux PC's.
> You will have two network cards installed into it. One network card
> will connect to your local subnet through a switch or hub. The other
> network card will connect to the existing network switch or hub. In
> some cases this may in fact be a modem which connects to the ISP's
> network.
> In any case, you will setup the linux box to enable both interfaces
> (eth0 and eth1) upon boot. You must setup the routing characteristics
> of the linux box using the ipchains utility. This will establish what
> to do with IP messages as they are received from the subnet side.
> Typically you can mask the IP messages and pass them out to the
> existing network. Masking the messages merely means to use the IP
> source address of the linux box on the existing network. To the
> existing network, the traffic appears to be coming from a single PC
> (single IP address). The masking functionality in the linux ip stack
> can manage the transformation back to the originator within the subnet
> by unmasking the return message and return it to the original host on
> the subnet.
> You don't have to use ip masking, but, if you don't, you may need
> additional IP addresses from your ISP and they could charge you for
> additional services based on this.
> It's difficult to suggest a particular solution without knowing
> exactly what your intentions are for this subnet. A router implies
> that you are connecting two subnets together and require IP message
> traffic to flow between them.
> If you are only trying to connect three computers together, then you
> don't need a router. You need a hub or switch. A linux box can serve
> as this but you will need a network card to connect each host within
> the subnet. This seems very costly.
> You may want to seriously consider using DHCPd running on the router
> to serve up IP configurations to the hosts on the internal subnet.
> The DHCPd configuration file will dictate settings such as IP address
> and default route IP to the hosts on the internal subnet. This makes
> setting up internal hosts very easy. Just specify DHCP as the
> protocol for the eth0 interfaces on these hosts. If you don't use
> DHCP, then you will need to set up the IP configurations of the hosts
> on the internal subnet manually (both IP address and defaut route
> address). Since the linux box will be providing the routing to and
> from the network, it only makes sense that it also provides the setup
> for the subnet hosts.
>
> Hope this helps you out,
>
> --
> Kenneth W. Zahorec
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Discover Linux today!
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Edward A. Falk)
Subject: Re: How do I assign major and minor numbers to devices??? -- answer
Date: 6 Jul 2000 04:43:39 GMT
>> When trying to mount one of my partitions on my drive, I get the
>> response "wrong major or minor number". I can mount all other
>> partitions/devices/block devices, so it's just this one. The device with
>> the screwed up numbers is a "vfat" partition.
>>
Holy cats; you too? I was literally in the middle of booting a
new kernel in the hopes of fixing the problem when I read your
post. I'd assumed that it was because the kernel wasn't configured
properly for DOS file systems. Stand by, here are the results of
my test:
dos, vfat configured as modules: fails
dos, vfat compiled into kernel: works
Conclusion: rebuild your kernel (again) and compile
the dos and vfat support in directly instead of using
modules. The modules seem to be broken in RH6.2
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Gandalf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>man mknod
>ls -l /dev/hdb*
>
>cd /dev
>mknod hdb14 b 3 78
Nice try, but I had the same problem and I checked the major/minor
nodes first thing.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Getting a working libg++ on Linux
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux,gnu.g++.help
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 08:34:05 +0100
Nick Kew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
: Is there a gcc/libstdc++/libg++ combination that *should* work?
I was able to get a program which uses the Integer class
working at the weekend by simply copying *.h, *.hP and *.cc
files out of the src/ subdir of the latest libg++ (2.8.1a
I think) and compiling as follows:
g++ -I. *.cc *.cpp -o my_program
(The *.cpp file was the source code to my own program).
For your information, to get Integer working, I needed the
following files:
AllocRing.cc
AllocRing.h
Integer.cc
Integer.h
Integer.hP
Obstack.cc
Obstack.h
builtin.cc
builtin.h
error.cc
fermat.cpp <-- this was my program
fmtq.cc
gcd.cc
lg.cc
std.h
Rich.
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From: "Alan Pettigrew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: S3 Trio3D/2X VGA card in Xwindow
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:02:48 +0100
You don't say what the problem is. I have Mandrake 7.0, kernel 2.2.15, and
this card.
The problem I had was the mouse cursor was a white blob about 2cm square.
If that is your problem, the way I fixed it was to use
sw_cursor
in /etc/XF86Config, but I can't remember where in the file to add the line,
and no access to my version at present. Maybe the man pages tell you.
I hope this helps.
Alan
"K. M. Lau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8jrpsm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Dear All:
>
> I am running slackware 7.0 with kenel 2.2.13.
>
> I could not config Xwindow to work with my display card: S3 Trio3D/2X.
>
> Does anybody konw the solution to wrok around with the S3 Trio3D/2X VGA
card
> in Xwindow ?
>
> Hope to have any reply soon.
>
> K. M. Lau
>
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Edward A. Falk)
Subject: Re: What is dev/mixer ?
Date: 6 Jul 2000 04:45:05 GMT
In article <3954c4ca$0$4839@reader2>,
Martin Herrman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Sat, 24 Jun 2000 16:01:25 +0100, C�dric Chausson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I get a message when i boot up that tells me :
>>
>> aumix : error opening dev/mixer : no such device found
>>
>> So what is it about ?
>
>i think it has to do with the sound card. /dev/mixer controls
>the mixer settings = the loudness, volume, bass, trebble etc.
>of your sound card. Maybe your sound card is not installed
>propperly?
Or the kernel is configured without sound card support? This
is how it's usually shipped.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: 2 PCMCIA cards
Date: 6 Jul 2000 04:45:28 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 05 Jul 2000 16:20:54 +0200, Alex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I have Toshiba Tecra8100 laptop with RH6.2 installed. I have 2 PCMCIA
>sockets availiable. I need one for ethernet card and another for serial
>(actually GSM card). Each of them work fine, if it is alone.
>I use 3com589 (network) and Psion Gold Card GSM (serial).
>I tried Ericsson DC23 GSM card as well.
>In case of 2 cards I have a problem with IRQ. I couldn't use
>second card at all.
>After booting with 2 cards:
>#cardctl config
>Socket 0: irq10
>Socket 1: no information about irq...
What pcmcia-cs version do you have? Versions before 3.1.10 did not handle
modem irqs properly with newer kernels. The latest version is 3.1.17.
>If only one card inserted, it always gets irq10.
>I have also followinf HW: com1(ttyS0), Yamaha sound, PS/2 mouse,
>Lucent V.90 modem (I guess winmodem).
You might check out http://www.linmodems.org/ about a module for your
Lucent if it does not show up in 'lspci' or your kernel boot messages. If
you have infrared, that may be one of the serial devices you see,
although, it might not automatically have the proper irq if it shows 8250
UART.
>What could I do in order to get irq for second card?
It should simply work. I have separate nic and modem cards and they both
work at the same time on my Sony (I have Yamaha sound also).
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Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (C.J.)
Subject: Re: The Big Dogs and the Tech Shitzus.
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 04:53:24 GMT
While this isn't comp.os.linux.advocacy I had to put in my $.02
I've worked with:
MS-DOS 3.x, 4.x, 5.x and 6.x
IBM-DOS 4.x, 5.x
DR-DOS 4.x on up
A few other DOSes that the "old timers" would recognize.
Windows 3.0, 3.1, 95, 98, NT 3.50, 3.51 and 4.0
Netware 2.x, 3.x, 4.x, and 5.0
For Linux I've only tired Slackware 3 and 4 and RedHat 5.2, 6.1 and 6.2
By worked with, I don't mean that I've simply used a PC with these O/Ses on
them. I mean I've installed them on completely blank systems and ran them on
my own systems (server or workstation.) I've set them up for others and
managed all sorts of networking combinations in them. I've done installation,
maintenance, and troubleshooting as well has help-desk and end-user training.
I've done programming on many of the above (exception being Netware since I
never took the time to learn how to make .NLMs)
Do I know all there is to know about them all. Gawd no! But I've had a good
chance to become mighty familiar with them on all sorts of systems used for
all sorts of purposes. I still have a long way to go with Linux before I'd
feel comfortable with someone calling me a guru... if I ever did.
I guess that makes me an "old timer." I've been a geek/hacker type for I
guess almost 20 years now... gawd I feel old suddenly. Anyhow, I'm actually
going somewhere with all this.
I choose Linux as my OS of choice (I say hypocritcally as I use a Win95 news
program.) I do know what I'm doing with Windows. I know how to baby it so it
keeps running more than 6 months (sometimes as much as 8) before it needs to
be rebuilt. I know how to fix a lot of things without rebuilding Windows
too... including some of that infurating speed loss that creeps in during
normal use over time. (Note I said some... it eventaully still slows to a
crawl.) But still I choose Linux.
I choose linux because once I set it up it stays set up. Even if something
gets messed up (which, unlike Windows, rarely happens "spontaniously") I can
usually fix it without any kind of full re-install or reconfig. I can count
on my desktop icons staying on my desktop. I can count on my system files and
programs not spontainiously corrupting or being replaced by older versions.
But all that isn't what this message is about either. It's about People and
Linux. It's about why People do/don't want Linux. By People, I don't mean
the geeks of the world like myself who actually like digging into the
text-based config files. Or the hackers who would rather fix it themselves
than ask for help. I mean John/Jane Q. Public who buys a computer at an
electronics superstore and uses Windows 9x.
Why do they use it? Because it's there. It is what is installed. It is what
their friends have. It is what they use/see at work. They are told so often
that it is easy and user friendly that the believe it before they even touch a
mouse.
They are so convinced that Window is super easy to use that if they have
problems, they believe it is their fault. As a whole, they are happy to use
the "restore CD" that came with their computer to fix Windows after "they"
mess Windows up. They don't question Window's stability. They just say "I
messed it up," stick in the CD, and reboot.
Why is Windows so popular? Why do People complain if you give them a
wonderfully working Linux system. It's numbers. It's the 90%+ market share
that Windows holds. It's hard to fight that. Give your non-geek family
member or loved one a Linux system with Gnome and all the apps you can think
they may need. What do you think will happen?
The same thing that happens in the Mac/Windows clashes. Their friend or work,
or somebody they happen to know has this cool program. But guess what. It's
not available on Linux. Someone else has this cool game. But gues what?
It's not available on Linux. They go to a web site that "everybody" is raving
about and, surprise, they plug in it requires isn't available under Linux.
And why not? Why is general Linux acceptance thwarted like this? Because
it's a minority out there yet. People write programs and utilities and
plugins for Windows because that is what there is a LOT of out there. In a
catch-22 relationship, acceptance of Linux in place of Windows is slowed
because these same progs and plugins aren't available for Linux.
So, am I saying Windows rulez? Hell no. I'm just saying it is dominant and
won't go anywhere really soon. The point I'm trying to get accross is this:
Linux is emerging. It's picking up market share. It's certainly getting the
attention of industry and developers.
I wouldn't have believed it a little over a year ago, but Linux has a real
shot at some serious dominance in the market.
Believe it or not, People DON'T CARE what their operating system is. They
just want to do something with their system. If the only thing something
wants to do is write a novel, they probably could care less if the write it on
Linux, Windows, BeOS, Mac, or CP/M for that matter. As long as they can work
the word processing program they have and it helps writing instead of
hindering it, they're happy. (The one exception to this happy state is if
they think they are lacking features which MIGHT make their job even easier...
that's where marketing comes in.)
As an example, I set up a Linux account on my system for my wife. I installed
everything I could think that she might want. It worked great... for a while.
Then she wanted to use Yahoo messenger to talk to her sister and her neice so
she was back in Windoze. I found a good Linux util that worked with Yahoo's
messenger service. She was once again happy in Linux. Then she found out
about dialpad.com. This site lets you make FREE long distance calls to any
telephone in the US using your PC. In order to use Dialpad.com, however, you
need to use Windows. Now Linux wasn't good anymore.
The point is that she could care less what the operating system is. She could
care less if it is more stable. She could care less if it made better use of
the hardware. For her needs, Linux got in the way of what she wanted to do.
The things she did like about Linux were some of the Gnome games. (go figure)
She also liked the idea that she could have her own private folders in Linux
that the kids couldn't get into. That puts the score for OS-specific features
she actually cared about at Linux-1:Windows-0.
Most People would be perfectly happy to receive their new computer with Linux
pre-installed if only the rest of the world supported it better. And the good
news is that slowly, the rest of the world IS supporting it better. As a
result, more people will be in the group that simply could care less if they
had Windows or Linux.
When it gets to the point that having Linux will keep you out of no more
sites or services than having Windows, guess who will be choosing what OS the
average Joe gets pre-installed on their system. Believe it or not, it'll be
the geeks that already see the advantages of Linux over Windows. Because, if
you're honest, the average user doesn't support their own system very much.
It's the brother or sister or son or cousin or uncle or next door neighbor
that "knows all about computers" who helps install and fix things. As happy
as he/she/you/I may be to help out, we all get tired of fixing the same things
over and over. We get tired of reinstalling or walking them through
reinstalling the same apps every time they have to rebuild their system.
When they can get almost all the same services under Linux as they get under
Windows (plus some non-Windows services.) They won't care what OS they get.
Then we'll hear the dreaded "I'm thinking of buying a new computer. What do
you think I should get." We'll recommend Linux.
In article <S_R85.81218$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Brian"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
><clipped for brevity>
>
>Alex wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>>You really think so? I have used M$ Windoz for over six years. I have done
>>Windoz installation so many times. I find myself having a lot of trouble
>>installing Windoz 98. On the other hand, I only use Linux (Red Hat) for 2
>years
>>(Starting with Version 5.2).
>
>
>I have been installing and configuring Windows since it was called IBM DOS!
>Sometimes the magic works but more often than not there are many problems.
>One of the biggest problems when installing W98 is the horrendous upgrades
>that must be installed by downloading from MS (hours and hours by POTS
>modem), endless reboots, installation of MS applications and then of course
>the upgrades, more hours and more reboots. GAWD!
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From: "Sidney E Mathious" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.setup,comp.os.ms-windows.setup.win95
Subject: Re: copy OS2, or win95 partitions using linux DD command?
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 00:01:55 -0700
I think that the partitions size are different in OS/2 and Linux. OS/2 and
Windows have the same size partitions, but Linux is different.
Sidney E. Mathious
Paul Elliott wrote in message ...
>
>I have an OS2 partition I want to copy to an identical (type, size) OS2
>partition on another disk. After I create the partition with OS2
>fdisk on the other disk, is there any reason why I can not do
>a byte for byte copy of the partitions by using linux's "dd" command?
>The disks are scsi so no problem with bad blocks.
>
>Perhaps there might be references to the partition's absolute
>disk address in the partition's header, and this would preclude
>such an approach?
>
>I have the same question concerning some win95 FAT partitions?
>
>Has anybody tied this?
>
>Thank You.
>
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