On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 08:35:40 +1300
Jim Cheetham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Thanks Jim,

> On Nov 3, 2004, at 11:45 PM, John Rye wrote:
> > Does Ubantu use run-levels?
> 
> Of course it does, it's a Linux :-)
> 
> But "everything" runs at all available run-levels, by default.

Ahh, now I begin to understand what's happening - it's that 'fault'
thingy raising it's ugly head again eh?? :-))

I was thinking in terms of editing /etc/inittab to force text mode until
the gdm/kdm/$HOME permissions thing was sorted out.

> 
> The only difference between "X" and "text" is the invocation of gdm (or 
> possibly kdm if the system has been dragged into the kde world), so you 
> can always remove the gdm invocations from /etc/rc*.d. Future package 
> upgrades might put this back, I'm not sure. But Ubuntu 4.10 Warty has 
> no package upgrades save security ones.
> 
> > If the system is dual-booting surely lilo or grub will permit logging 
> > on in text mode?
> 
> You probably could start in single-user mode, or just let it start up 
> normally and switchback to a text console.

Yes, that's the way I was thinking. I recently had to try and trouble
shoot a similar problem where the user had installed with autologon and
later attempted to apply some KDE updates from within KDE.

The upgrade failed when her dial-up connection dropped and because
the system appeared to have frozen, she hit reset and got the resulting
chaos.

> 
> The problem with "Linux" is that so much user-instruction is based on 
> the specifics of the distribution that it comes with.

Yes, that's always a problem too :-))

I've only been back in the *nix world for 4 years after a break of 10 or
12, so I'm learning head over foot too!

And it's real hard to trouble-shoot remotely if you can't get the
diagnostic material too!

Must get a copy of this Ubantu thingy and have a play.

Cheers

John (The NI lurker)

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