Derek,
Hmm, well i don't want to start another Mac-Vs-Linux flamewar...
I use both Mac and Linux daily (and in my opinion, Mac is better :) but that is irrelevant, the point is that a Mac is undoubtedly easier to use for beginners, and you did say that:
Part (c) in particular just cries out "get a Mac" - they just work day in day out.a) they are in Invercargill b) cannot be bothered with joining a *lug group c) expect to have something that "just" works.
An eMac is about NZ$1500 i think and I can personally guarantee that it will last longer than cheap PC hardware. Or you could get a second hand one - my brother uses a 450MHz G4 as his main machine and it is very fast and very usable.
I am on the CLUG group because I work with embedded linux and as such inevitably use Linux on a variety of machines.
Hugo
On 29/11/2004, at 12:49 PM, Derek Smithies wrote:
Hugo, the implication from your suggestion, "Get them a Mac" is that a) I have lots of money (false)
b) Mac is superior in many ways to linux
What are you doing on the clug group?
Derek.
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Hugo Vincent wrote:
Get them a Mac.
On 29/11/2004, at 12:09 PM, Derek Smithies wrote:
Hi,
For the sake of the discussion, I will use the phrase, "my parents".
In fact, I am referring to a potential new linux user, who maybe
any age. The reason I ask, is that I have had this conversation with
many people, and wondered what the consensus is.
My parents have a win 95 machine, that is loaded down with avg etc etc,
and cannot send email.
what do you think would best suit my parents. semi computer literate. long term exposure to windows 95 notion of folders/directories is a bit vague
they need a)email, b)webbrowsing, c)office. "
Here is the sticky bit: However, given that a) they are in Invercargill b) cannot be bothered with joining a *lug group c) expect to have something that "just" works.
Let me explain the requirements. They are in Invercargill, so a support trip is not easy. For that matter, they could be in Christchurch, but I cannot see them for the next 4 days. So, the actual amount of my support required better be low low.
The are not going to joing *lug group to get help. No way are they
going
to download 10-100 messages a day, filter out the non useful answers
etc.
yes, filters "work", but they cannot be bothered with installing/using
them.
Worse, some of the answers are intensely time consuming.
Video problems? Ah, go read www.xfree86.org, or, search google
When you buy an appliance from the store, you take it home, plug it in,
and it just works. Breadmakers, video recorders, cars take minimal
effort
to get going.
Why is the same not true of computers?
================================== In an offline discussion, Nick made the comment::
yes its annoying that they haven't made a computer that just works yet.
certainly microsoft is not the answer for them, given this post i read
this morning on nzlug.
http://www.linux.net.nz/lists/NZLUG/2004/11/0394.html
Its that damn flexibilty thing, it implies complication.
I wiuld try ubuntu, it gives them a straight up sensible defaults for browsing (firefox) , email (evolution) and it has OOo. They do not need to choose between konqueror, mozilla and firefox, nor between kmail, evo and mutt, nor between abiword, lyx and OOo.
Its the sort of thing that would require a newer computer if they
bought
their last one with w95. Its also the sort of thing that you'd want to
spend the weekend with them installing and explaining, but they should
be able to grok firefox, evolution and OOo if they have used the MS
fare.
Are guis ever going to change? apart from getting prettier, the point.
click, drag concept has been pretty constant for a while now.....
============================= Derek.
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IndraNet Technologies Ltd. If you find a virus apparently from me, it has
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] forged the e-mail headers on someone else's machine
ph +64 3 365 6485 Please do not notify me when (apparently) receiving a
Web: http://www.indranet-technologies.com/ windows virus from me......
