I am not an expert on LANs, but my son is. He is a network administrator and long time Linux user. I will help as I am able.
----- Original Message ---- From: jim allan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2007 7:31:41 PM Subject: Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Debian EMC & Ubuntu EMC Roy, you and I need to communicate privately. I would not want to bother the list with to much discussion on Linux. I will say though that my main problem right now is getting my LAN to work stable so I can get it on line and be able to transfer problems through e-mail so I can eventually make a complete jump to Linux. I am running Ubuntu on a separate box. More later. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Charles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com> To: <LINUX_Newbies@ yahoogroups. com> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Debian EMC & Ubuntu EMC >I multi-boot to the extreme. I have two hard drives, one with two NTFS >partitions for Windows and one with 7 partitions for Linux. On the Linux >partition I run four distros (PCLinuxOS, OpenSuse 10.3, Ubuntu 7.10, and >one is empty for now). My main distro is Ubuntu. I test other distros for >fun. My point is that it can be done very easily without disturbing your >system. > > You need to become familiar with a partition manager. There are several > good ones for Linux. I use a graphical one. Most installers come with one. > It really depends a lot on which distro and which installer. Some are > easier to understand than others. I find that Suse and Fedora's are not so > easy for beginners, and SimplyMEPIS (Debian based) and Ubuntu's are > easier. > > The first trick is to get around Windows. If Windows is to be one of your > dual boot partitions (you did not say) then it should be installed first > and be on the first partition. Better still run them from separate drives. > I have literally installed hundreds of Linux distros without disturbing > Windows once because I use separate drives. Many installers will resize > the Windows partition for you and establish the necessary Linux partitions > in one step. Be sure to back up your Windows drive first! If you do not > have Windows then this is not a consideration. > > If you need to do this manually from scratch then you will need at least > two partitions equally divided for each Linux distro. I recommend four > partitions, one for each distro, a home partition and a swap partition. > The root partition in Linux has the mount point /. The home partition > mount point is /home. You also get to choose the file format, usually ext3 > or swap for the swap partition. The swap partition can be small 512 MB for > example, if you have 512 MB of RAM. Don't exceed a GB since it won't have > much affect. The root partition can be 1 GB or less for a really small > distro or up to 20 GB for a big one such as Sabayon. Usually 4 GB is > enough, but choose more if you have lots of room and you plan on adding > lots of packages. The rest will go for your home directory. Mine is 50 GB. > This gets eaten up really quickly, especially if you use it (as I do for > all of the distros). Data files with music downloading and partial files > can be huge. Use your > discretion. My Ubuntu root partition is 30 GB and the rest are all 20 GB. > > The reason for having a separate home partition is this. If you decide to > upgrade or re-install then you lose your home partition and all of the > files if you use only one partition. If you have a separate home partition > then you can not only keep your files, but also all of your settings. I > have bookmarks that go back years. > > Each time you install a new distro it will replace the boot loader. A good > distro should detect all of your partitions and set them up to boot > properly from a menu (graphical or otherwise). Some have been known to > mess up your boot loader. I have found Freespire to be heavy handed in > this respect. Be careful to have it write to the proper drive, if you have > more than one hard drive. > > If it doesn't add your other bootable partitions, all is not lost. As > root, you go into the partiton that is not booting and navigate to /boot > directory. Grub is by far the easier boot loader to modify and fortunately > it is more common than LILO. You go to the sub-directory called /grub and > load the file called menu.lst into into a text editor such as Kate and > copy and paste sections into the same file of the boot loader that works. > For example if on my system it does not show PCLinuxOS in my boot menu > then as root I go to my file manager and choose my hda7 partition. I > navigate to /boot in my root directory then to /grub, then load the > menu.lst file into Kate. I copy the lines that refer to PCLinuxOS: > title PCLinuxOS > kernel (hd0,6)/boot/ vmlinuz BOOT_IMAGE=PCLinuxO S root=/dev/hda7 acpi=on > splash=silent vga=788 > initrd (hd0,6)/boot/ initrd.img > > Then I navigate to my Ubuntu drive hda5 to the same file in the same > place. I go to the bottome of the file menu.lst and paste what I copied > above. I save it and then when I reboot the option to boot PCLinuxOS > appears when it didn't before. > > This may not be the most elegant way to do it, but has got me out of > several jams. You can manually modify grub at boot time, but it isn't the > same. The devices aren't even the same number. It is trickier to modify > from the grub menu in my experience. > > My set-up is on the extreme I admit and I have learned from hard > experience. It needn't be scary. to modify partitions or to install new > distros. Just be logical and take your time. > > Cheers, > Roy > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Joan Leach <[EMAIL PROTECTED] .net> > To: LINUX_Newbies@ yahoogroups. com > Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2007 5:10:51 PM > Subject: Re: [LINUX_Newbies] Debian EMC & Ubuntu EMC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The word is multi-booting, and you have to edit the menu > program depending which one you have chosen, i.e.: Grub or Lilo, but > you're right on the partitioning of you're hard drive, too. It would be > good to have a persistent Home folder on a separate hard drive maybe. > Others will have more info, but here's a Google search to get you started: > > > > http://www.google. com/search? hl=en&client= firefox-a& channel=s& > rls=org.mozilla: en-US:official& sa=X&oi=spell& resnum=0& ct=result& > cd=1&q=how+ to+multiboot+ linux+&spell= 1 > > > > Welcome, and good luck, > > Joan > > > > peppermark1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED] net> wrote: > Would like to ask group how to install both Debian & Ubuntu EMC to > > PC?? I can install Debian with CD but not sure how to prepare the HD > > partition so I will be able to install Ubuntu on the same HD and have > > a window to choose which one. > > > > The Debian EMC installs nicely as does the Ubuntu EMC. However I > > missing something as one will eliminate the other when installed > > individually, and vise versa. What is left is the EMC version that you > > last installed. > > > > Probably has something, I suspect, with preparing the HD partitions > > when asked by the program? Can anybody help? 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