Dude,

First of all, for someone that still uses hotmail, you blame Microsoft
too much. Second, let me point out a few flaws in your POV:

On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Paul Saenz <[email protected]> wrote:
> The story definitely doesn't pass the sniff test.
> I wouldn't be surprised if M$ had a hand in it.

MS with a hand on this? Are you serious? Do you REALLY believe they
would waste time with such a small little thing?

> In addition, I wouldn't be surprised if dell had
> a hand in it.

Again? Do you REALLY believe in this?

> I'm sure they get some compensation
> for installing Windows.

Everyone knows they have deals with Microsoft to have Windows
pre-installed on new computers.

> Furthermore, the article
> was written by someone who either just ran with it
> rather than doing any research, and/or has a beef
> with linux and/or ubuntu.
>
> If the dell tech support tech is going to recommend that
> she stay with ubuntu, then they should have helped
> her connect to verizon. This problem is really more
> about Dell than ubuntu. When she called back, and they
> told her it was too late to get M$, then why did they not
> at least tell her that there is a way to make it work, and
> direct her to people who know how to implement it? I
> have seen many people have the exact same difficulty
> with windows, but in that case, Dell will definitely help
> them to get connected.
>
> The following quote from http://www.linux.com/feature/52729 Dated: March 15,
> 2006
> shows that this problem has been solved long ago:
>
> "I found some invaluable information online about how to get EVDO working in
> Linux online, mostly from kenkinder.com, www.ka9q.net, and
> LinuxQuestions.org. With the help of these sites and my own perseverance, I
> figured out an easy-to-follow, step-by-step guide to connecting to the
> Internet in Linux with EVDO."

Dude, like any non-ordinary hardware, it takes googling/tinkering to
install these things on Ubuntu or any other linux flavor.

>
> In light of the major improvement in ubuntu user freindliness
> as of late, if it was, "easy-to-follow, step-by-step guide,"
> back in early 06, then you know it is no harder than M$ today.

Have you tried to install one of these cards on Windows? I don't think
so. If you did, you certainly wouldn't say such a thing.

>
> Dell should be taking the hit not ubuntu.
> The community needs to focus the blame on Dell.
> There are many things that people don't understand
> about windows, and when they have a problem, Dell
> supports them. If they install ubuntu, and they have
> tech support, then why the hell did the tech recommend
> sticking with ubuntu if they are not going to at least give
> her the slightest direction on how to make verizon work.

While I agree that Dell shouldn't have insisted on Ubuntu, I find it
hard to believe in this story, given their long-standing practice of
pushing Windows for every desktop/laptop sold. There's more to the
story than this article seems to report.

>
> This is a quote from the updated article:
>
> "If you're not a computer tinkerer, and you're not willing to do research
> and digging, it may not be for you."
>
> This is still a major misstatement. You don't need to be a computer
> tinkerer to either use open office, fire fox or connect to the internet
> on ubuntu. Except for the verizon connection, everything is ready
> to go out of the box (so to speak). All you have to do is learn how
> to use synaptic, and how to search for programs

Learn how to use synaptic? search for programs? That's already
tinkering with stuff. Let's compare apples to apples: How does the
average joe blow user regularly search/install programs? He opens his
browser of preference and finds programs. Then he downloads an .exe
and opens it, then next, next, next, finish. Not so easy with Linux.
If you use synaptic, you've gotta know what you're looking for.

>. For the most
> part the ubuntu install comes with everything that a typical
> desktop user will need, and being a computer tinkerer is only
> required for someone who wants to do more that what M$ will
> do out of the box.
> If you think about it, running synaptic is no
> harder than downloading an exe, and clicking on run, and/or
> install: You simply select the program, and click on apply.
>
> On the brighter side, whoever may have intended to put a hit
>  on ubuntu has made a mistake. In light of the virulent response
> by ubuntu groupies, it seems that:
> This attack on ubuntu has BACKFIRED!

Although Linux has come a long way towards user friendliness, it's
still not for everyone and definitely not on par with Windows or OS X
in terms of friendliness. We here all like Linux a lot, and I suppose
everyone in this group knows its way around it. But this girl is one
of those that needs to stay away from it.

>

-Dante

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