On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 5:20 PM, Joel M. Halpern <[email protected]> wrote: > Actually Luigi, in my personal opinion: > 1) It is not our job or our requirement to involve the RIRs. It is our job > to come up with what we think LISP and the Internet need for EID allocation. > 2) I would be really surprised if EID allocation policies were at all > related to current RIR address allocation policies. The behaviors are VERY > different, as are the assignment implications.
Are you thinking something more along these lines http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/lisp/current/msg04155.html ? In there I mention the RIR simple because they have the _infrastructure_ to support the operational side of any delegation, whois+dns+++... If we can get it to work any other way, maybe something along domain names, that is also another option. --- Roger J --- > Yours, > Joel > > > On 2/27/2013 6:59 AM, Luigi Iannone wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> >> On 27 Feb. 2013, at 01:46 , Joel M. Halpern <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> As a participant, I have an even stronger pinion on the RIR references >>> than terry. >>> >>> I think that the block management needs to define >>> o who the root is >>> o what policy we require for allocating blocks to allocators (the root is >>> not an allocator >>> o What the behavioral requirements are for an allocator >>> o are there any special requirements for re-delegating to another >>> allocator? >>> o What policies allocators should respect for end site allocation >>> >>> Once we have this defined, then organizations that wish to participate >>> can do so. If the RIRs want to come play, they may. If not, then they >>> don't. >>> >> >> Got it, is what I've also understood from Terry's point. >> >> Again, there was no intention to put work on RIRs back, rather to show >> that we can come up with a framework that involves RIRs and is compatible >> with current RIRs' policies. (apparently the message was not clear ;-) ). >> >> It comes to my mind the question of what we are going to do with the EID >> block if in 10 years the IETF decides that LISP is the best thing ever and >> we need to assign the EID block permanently? >> >> Ideas are welcome :-) >> >> ciao >> >> L. >> >> >>> (Repeated for clarity, the above is a personal opinion, not a WG chair >>> position, nor associated with any other hats I may have.) >>> >>> Yours, >>> Joel >>> >>> On 2/26/2013 7:26 PM, Terry Manderson wrote: >>>> >>>> Speaking just as a WG participant. >>>> >>>> I would rather a document like this focus purely on the allocation >>>> criteria that needs to be applied to: >>>> 1) An experimental EID block >>>> 2) ongoing LISP allocations beyond the life of the experiment >>>> >>>> Given the expected (numbering) requirements of a LISP site. >>>> >>>> Simply, while it is temping to use the RIRs, and name them, it is not >>>> appropriate in my opinion to assign work to the RIRs. That is the job of >>>> their membership. >>>> >>>> Similarly, what policies the RIRs have now are all subject to change >>>> within their own policy development processes. Please don't re-codify >>>> them >>>> here. I would also prefer to see this document take the approach of >>>> defining what is best for LISP, not how can we use the RIRs as an >>>> allocation framework. The concern I have is that if LISP ends up >>>> requiring >>>> something very different to how the RIRs do it - we would be doing a >>>> disservice to both LISP and the RIRs by pushing it that way. >>>> >>>> The definition of terms is well stated elsewhere, perhaps you can point >>>> to >>>> those locations? >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Terry >>>> >>>> On 26/02/13 7:59 AM, "Luigi Iannone" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> FYI a new version is available. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Comments still welcome ;-) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> L. >>>>> >>>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> Subject: >>>>> I-D Action: draft-iannone-lisp-eid-block-mgmnt-01.txt >>>>> >>>>> Date: >>>>> 25 February 2013 21:47:29 GMT+01:00 >>>>> >>>>> To: >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> Reply-To: >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >>>>> directories. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Title : LISP EID Block Management Guidelines >>>>> Author(s) : Luigi Iannone >>>>> Roger Jorgensen >>>>> Filename : draft-iannone-lisp-eid-block-mgmnt-01.txt >>>>> Pages : 9 >>>>> Date : 2013-02-25 >>>>> >>>>> Abstract: >>>>> This document proposes an allocation framework for the management of >>>>> the LISP EID address prefix (requested in a separate document). Such >>>>> framework relies on hierarchical distribution of the address space to >>>>> RIRs (Regional Internet Registries), who will allocate on a temporary >>>>> basis sub-prefixes to requesting organizations. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-iannone-lisp-eid-block-mgmnt >>>>> >>>>> There's also a htmlized version available at: >>>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-iannone-lisp-eid-block-mgmnt-01 >>>>> >>>>> A diff from the previous version is available at: >>>>> http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-iannone-lisp-eid-block-mgmnt-01 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >>>>> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> I-D-Announce mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce >>>>> Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html >>>>> or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> lisp mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lisp >> >> > -- Roger Jorgensen | ROJO9-RIPE [email protected] | - IPv6 is The Key! http://www.jorgensen.no | [email protected] _______________________________________________ lisp mailing list [email protected] https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lisp
