In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, you wrote:
>On Thu, 30 Jul 1998 18:23:12 -0700 "Ronald F. Guilmette"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
>>If you have a defense for that which I have already stated (here)
>>appears to be indefensible,
>
>This isn't a court Ronald, and you aren't the judge. You're just a person
>who called me names in public without provocation and who now has the
>nerve to insinuate that the only reason I do not wish to waste my time in
>a flame war is that there is no sensible explanation for the LISTSERV
>behaviour you have described.
I did not insinuate anything. You stated that the bizzare and inexplicable
behavior of your software is so self-evident as to not even require explana-
tion. I felt and still feel that it does, and I'm still awaiting that ex-
planation.
>Well, as I said, it should be fairly
>obvious why you want to send a "probe failed" message with MAIL FROM:<>,
>in fact it borders on self-evidence.
I believe that you meant `self-evident', and no, it isn't.
>I'm sure someone else on this list
>will post an explanation if you really can't figure it out on your own
>after making a *genuine* attempt (hint: what is the typical criterion for
>auto-delete on a typical LISTSERV list?)
Beats the hell outta me. I don't use your LISTSERV software, so why would
I have any knowledge of what the devil you mean by ``auto-delete'' and how
the devil would I know what that thing (whatever it is) has to do with the
price of tea in China _or_ with the problem I have described here (which
seems to have been trigged by some *manual* removal procedure at your site
and at other sites using LISTSERV).
>It seems that my signoff request
>needs to be approved by the list owner (?), but consider me gone.
It seems that you make a habit of speaking in riddles. I grok neither what
you just said, nor what it has to do with anything. I suspect that I am
not entirely alone.
>>P.S. Why is it that you folks at lsoft have been unable to remove the
>>long-bouncing addresses of subscribers to your mailing lists who have
>>died and gone to heaven many months ago?
>
>Perhaps if you would provide specifics, a meaningful and productive
>discussion could ensue...
What more specifics do you need?
Do you or do you not remove addresses from your mailing lists that have
been non-deliverable for months? If not why not?
(I have PLENTY of evidence that you don't, and I will provide specific
examples to you in confidence, via private E-mail, since the specific
E-mail addresses involved are now being used for other proprietary pur-
poses, and I don't care to have them spread around.)
>... but that just doesn't seem to be your goal
>tonight. Without specifics, I can only make guesses. Maybe your mail
>system has so many "smart" spam filters that it doesn't always return
>bounces to the right address...
No, but thanks for playing.
The entire *domains* which contain the addresses in question had NO ACTIVE
DNS OF ANY KIND for several months.
That makes it a little tough for you to blame this on me now doesn't it?
>...maybe it's one of the lists where the
>customer reloads a whole new roster of subscribers from a database they
>maintain themselves using their own methods (typically web-only), maybe
>LISTSERV is such a piece of garbage that the auto-delete mechanism just
>never works and the whole auto-delete process is secretly driven by a
>random number generator! Either way, if you can provide more information
>I will be happy to pass it on to the people in charge of the list in
>question.
So lemme see if I got this... You folks are supporting a whole slew of mailing
lists for other people... and running them out of your site and off of your
servers, but you don't exercise any quality control over them or over the
activities of their true owners, yes?
OK, fair enough. I don't expect every sysadmin to watch over the day to day
activities of every list admin who runs a list off his/her system. But I
am still wondering if there is something about your software itself which
causing bounces for non-existant domains to fail to even show up on the
radar screens (or, more accurately, the video screens) of list admins who
are using your software.
If so, then that's a rather serious problem, IMHO.
-- Ron Guilmette, Roseville, California ---------- E-Scrub Technologies, Inc.
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