On 3/7/06, Dr. Core <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Seems like interesting concept. Mind evaluate further?
My friend, you towards Zeta is just like me towards V, which you said you love. I don't remember much of V but the stupid wheeled battleship, and the chronic mindless killing got into the way of narrative... and I'm the one who don't mind all the killing in Ideon!
Emma is really good character towards the end, even though there's not much direct description on herself but only thru interaction with other characters. Her ending in the end of Zeta TV is the only part that's actually touching (the other deaths are simply an element to the cruelty of war, and plain hatred if you think of Jarid).
Four is believeable? I think Apolli is more believeable than her.
Well, "making epic toy commercials" is precisely NOT Tomino has been doing; he is well known to have fought against Bandai for all the inputs to the anime/story. Turn A is his effort to explicitly make anime that's not good for mechandizing (I own you the reference here; I'll find it for you. It's either in one of Turn A book's interview or any interview read online. Can anyone here help me with this?); so Turn A is exactly a success for Tomino as an author.
As for failure in rating... remember the 0079 series was downright cancelled in initial run. It's the fanfare and mechandize that revived the show. For Turn A, as it's intentionally "not for mechandize", the response is much weaker. But even you'd say Turn A is a great show, so you have to admit the fanfare is there.
For Bandai/Sunrise, yeah, it's down the drain.
If you talk about stability, there're far worse artists in anime or movie industry. Would you call Georga Lucas stable commercial artist?
I'm sure he didn't say "bull shit", but it'd be a funny gag. :-D
Overman is hard to describe for those used to Tomino... it's very light in story and the whole show seems like a "space" for relaxation and give new talent a chance (I think Tomino said it in one of the interview... I remember somehow it's in Newtype USA). It feels more like a Super Robot show than Real Robot....
The best part I think is 1) the supporting mecha and 2) all the snow!
"Turn it upside-down", what a description for "Turn A"!
I agree it's hard to say if the new elements Tomino does
beat the originals, but they do beat the original "kill'em-all" Tomino
for Tomino's mindset ... and I think that's the point of it. The Dakar arc, together with the key bits of 0083 story arc, could
have, should have made a compelling backdrop to the many "people"
stories that Tomino wanted to tell. Without the backdrop, the people
stories all fell apart. Well ok, let's no say "all", but all the
personal choices surrounding Titans (both for and against).
Seems like interesting concept. Mind evaluate further?
> "cut all the famous/infamous scenes fans enjoys and memorized out; emphasize
> parts and concept that didn't get thru well in the TV series".
If that's how he really think about it, then forget about me paying
money to see it. I have not memorized anything other than Camille's
story in the first 5 episodes. When the chronic random deflections
sets in, my attention and suspension of disbelief start to waver. The
rest is mostly impressions (often negative) and fragments of story
lines ( e.g. Kabala and Dakar).
My friend, you towards Zeta is just like me towards V, which you said you love. I don't remember much of V but the stupid wheeled battleship, and the chronic mindless killing got into the way of narrative... and I'm the one who don't mind all the killing in Ideon!
> And yes, it means there's more "people" element than "political" element in
> the movies.
But the people elements don't make sense to me. It's pretty fucked up
when I think Four is a more believeable character than Camille, Emma,
Jamitov, Bosque etc.
Emma is really good character towards the end, even though there's not much direct description on herself but only thru interaction with other characters. Her ending in the end of Zeta TV is the only part that's actually touching (the other deaths are simply an element to the cruelty of war, and plain hatred if you think of Jarid).
Four is believeable? I think Apolli is more believeable than her.
> >From Turn A -> (Overman) -> Gundam Evolve 5 -> Zeta movies, I think Tomino
> is showing that he has gotten comfortable as the anime creator of this giant
> burden called "Gundam", and take good use to it.
Well I haven't seen Overman and Zeta movies, and GE5 is way too short
to justify an analysis. (the trailers of Star Wars Ep. 1 were
masterpieces too, it's just too bad I went and saw the whole movie)
If I have to name Tomino's no.2 artistic achievement (no.1 being
0079), Turn-A would be it. But I still think Tomino is a highly
unstable commercial artist. He carries an aura of a visionary
(heavily promoted that way by Bandai/Sunrise). But his career is
about making epic toy commercials. On that level Turn-A is an utter
failure, far worse than ZZ, Victory and SDGF. It fared better than
Savior, but only just.
Well, "making epic toy commercials" is precisely NOT Tomino has been doing; he is well known to have fought against Bandai for all the inputs to the anime/story. Turn A is his effort to explicitly make anime that's not good for mechandizing (I own you the reference here; I'll find it for you. It's either in one of Turn A book's interview or any interview read online. Can anyone here help me with this?); so Turn A is exactly a success for Tomino as an author.
As for failure in rating... remember the 0079 series was downright cancelled in initial run. It's the fanfare and mechandize that revived the show. For Turn A, as it's intentionally "not for mechandize", the response is much weaker. But even you'd say Turn A is a great show, so you have to admit the fanfare is there.
For Bandai/Sunrise, yeah, it's down the drain.
If you talk about stability, there're far worse artists in anime or movie industry. Would you call Georga Lucas stable commercial artist?
So... perhaps... I should check out Overman before investing time and
money on Z movies. Most people who've seen it seem to like it. Maybe
Turn-A isn't just a random flash of brilliance but part of the pattern
of an older wiser Tomino. Didn't Confucius say "When a man is 50 year
old, he may stop blabbering bull shit."
I'm sure he didn't say "bull shit", but it'd be a funny gag. :-D
Overman is hard to describe for those used to Tomino... it's very light in story and the whole show seems like a "space" for relaxation and give new talent a chance (I think Tomino said it in one of the interview... I remember somehow it's in Newtype USA). It feels more like a Super Robot show than Real Robot....
The best part I think is 1) the supporting mecha and 2) all the snow!
> it, by approaching his work in a different prospective. "What if"s. Redo the
> part that he think he didn't deliver. It's a healthy thing for any authors I
> believe, no longer being imprisoned to what you did but expand it to what
> you can still do.
Hmm... other than music and maybe fine arts (arguable), I am
hard-pressed to come up with an example of someone going back and
tweak an earlier creation and made it better. Best chance of success
is take your old creation(s) and turn it upside-down, which is what
Turn-A is about. It's great because it's so un-Gundam, but it's also
an utter failure because it's un-Gundam.
"Turn it upside-down", what a description for "Turn A"!
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Boaz
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