> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Ramos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [gundam] (OT)Matrix Revelations > Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 11:27:07 +0800 > > > >> Anyway, Tachs are armed with lethal weapons so they are purposed to > >> harm people (1st law), they can go AWOL or "acquire" contraband > >> parts(2nd law) and they sacrifice themselves without human explicit or > >> implicit instruction (3rd law). > > Yes, but they're also wired to be obedient and helpful to their > > masters, which means you don't really need Asimov's laws to begin > > with. > > Yes, but there are many logic loopholes on what it means to be > obedient and helpful, and there are also loopholes on what > constitutes one's master. I like the idea of hardwired Asimov's > laws - and yet again, as proven in one of Asimov's books, you can > redefine what "human" is, to narrow down whom the laws protect. >
imo, in order for a robot to qualify as a true AI, it has to be able to reprioritize various parts of its logic tree. Based on the experiences that the robot has, the AI must be able to figure out what works in a particular situation, and what does not. This is particularly important in an AI that's designed to see frequent combat, such as the Tachikomas that Section 9 uses. You want a think-tank that's not going to keep falling for the same stupid tricks over and over again. That leads to money being strewn across the landscape in the form of little bits of Tachikoma wreckage. You also want a think-tank that's capable of figuring out the way things work in the world before that think-tank encounters those same things in a combat situation. So you want to give the AI a certain amount of curiosity. Not necessarily all that much of it - but enough that the AI will pay attention when it encounters something new while the AI isn't involved in a mission. What appears to have happened with the Tachikomas is that the curiosity section of the AI's logic tree has received a great deal of importance (presumeably more than was initially alloted by the programmers - the Tachikomas have presumeably granted it a greater priority as time went by). The 'helpful' and 'friendly' segments of the logic tree are presumeably hardwired in place to make it impossible for the Tachikomas to rebel. But that only means that you've now got a 2-ton (or however much they weigh) think-tank wandering the streets trying to help a little girl find her missing pet. It's not supposed to be doing that. But it's fulfilling all three of the stated priorities that I listed. It's fulfilling its curiosity drive by being out and about in the real world (and swiping an old data unit it finds). It's being friendly to the little girl. And it's helping her find her missing pet. It would no doubt obey an order to return to base if one were given. But it's made apparent that Major Kusanagi is interested in observing the Tachikoma while it's wandering around. Of course while all of the above is shown as having it's risks, we do get to see the pay-off. Three completely unarmed Tachikomas manage to take down a piloted unit that's supposed to be more than a match for them when they're armed. They wouldn't have done that without the priorities listed above. As far as Asimov's Third Law goes, it is possible for a robot to sacrifice itself without even an implied request from a human. One of Asimov's short stories involves humans working in certain types of radiation that become hazardous if the human stays in it for very long periods of time (but are harmless otherwise). At one point we find out that the robotic assistants that the workers were using kept committing suicide by diving into the radiation to try and 'rescue' the human. They were concerned that the human might forget the time limit and stay in the radiation too long. Unfortunately, the radiation is instantly fatal to robots which means that the robots cease functioning even before they reach the humans that they're ostensibly trying to protect. junior -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 -------------------------------------------------- The Gundam Mailing List MK-II [email protected] Archives: http://www.gundam.com/gml Help: Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this in the BODY: help list
