And then we can undertake to create a global constitution for the 
Global Economy, and then take on any other edge controlled 
environments which also surely\ need to have a constitution, to apply 
Centralized Democratic Government.

Enjoy your trip;-)...

At 12:47 -0600 07/09/01, Ken Freed wrote:
>Seems to me any effort to work within ICANN
>to acheive "network democracy" is innately an
>act of self-deception, continuing the public lie
>that ICANN is a legitimate government. It isn't.
>
>There has never been a public vote to privatise
>our public Internet. There has never been a public
>vote to grant any governance power to ICANN. The
>emperor is clothed in a fabric of veiled delusions.
>
>I still advocate a global Internet constitution, so we
>have a governmewnt of laws not committees.
>
>Ken Freed
>Media Visions Journal
>http://www.media-visions.com
>
>"Deep literacy makes global sense"
>
>
>
>
>
>  >(fixed)
>  >
>  >>Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 08:21:30 -0500
>  >>From: "ooblick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  >>Subject: Re: Re: Why wake up? (Re: [IFWP] Is this list up? (Test, ignore,
>  >>sorry))
>  >>To: "Dan Steinberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  >>Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  >>MIME-Version: 1.0
>  >>Content-Type: text/plain
>  >>Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  >>X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Sep 2001 12:18:55.0359 (UTC)
>  >>FILETIME=[EE94E8F0:01C13604]
>  >>
>  >>Hear hear.  So i am going on vacation.  The fix was in from the get go
>  >>and all we were was pawns to lend legitimacy to their fabricated claims
>  >>of consensus.
>  >>
>  >>See you next week. I'm going diving.
>  >>>---- Original Message ---
>  >>>From: Dan Steinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  >>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  >>>Cc:
>  >>>Subject: Re: Why wake up? (Re: [IFWP] Is this list up? (Test, ignore,
>  >>>sorry))
>  >>>
>  >>>Well to counter your argument I would say that I went to IFWP meetings
>  >>>all over
>  >>>the globe, went to an ICANN meeting or two.  I worked on the at-large
>  >>>issue in
>  >>>good faith in the first Membership Advisory Committee.  I believe I was
>  >>>very awake
>  >>>during the entire process, with gusts to diligent.  What did all that
>  >>>work get?
>  >>>not much I think.  I am not funded to work on lost causes. 
>Those that go to
>  >>>Montevideo are funded to act and more than a couple of them will have a
>  >>>pre-set
>  >>>agenda. Unless you want to fund everyone on this list to show up 
>and make a
>  >>>presence felt, I think sleeping is the more economical course.
>  >>>
>  >>>Marc Schneiders wrote:
>  >>>
>  >>>> Why we should wake up fast? Quite a few people are on their way to
>  >>>> Montevideo right now. A couple  of them may try to determine a lot of
>  >>>> things on their own there without real input from those affected. The
>  >>>> ALSC preliminary report leaves not much hope for a change to the
>  >>>> better. Now, if it would be a good, thorough, well argued report, in
>  >>>> whi
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >
>  >--
>  >     "But at the end of the day, even if you put a calico dress on
>  >      it and call it Florence, a pig is still a pig."
>  >      -- Bradshaw v. Unity Marine Corp. et al., 2001 U.S. Dist.
>  >      LEXIS 8962, (S. D. Tex., 2001).
>  >
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