Glad to see my comments are stimulating good discourse!
That's half the battle, the other half is finding viable actions.
Someone offer a realistic way to stop ICANN, and I'll listen,
and do what I can to help. I remain a "practical idealist".
E.g., What about the idea of a lawsuit challenging
ICANN's legitimacy as a vehicle of privatisation?
I agree that talk is cheap, what can we DO?
-- ken
P.S. Network democracy could help build politcal democracy.
Without a guiding vision, one wanders about blind & lost.
>Hi Everyone,
>
>For an excellent summary of where we are
>heading, check out the online book:
> http://www.winwinworld.net/book/
>
>I've embraced many of the concept there,
>as can be seen on:
> http://www.fenello.com
> http://www.aligningwithpurpose.com
>
>FYI & FWIW,
>
>Jay.
>
>
>At 9/8/01 02:27 PM, Ken Freed wrote:
>>Wrongaroonie, Einar --
>>The goal is a decentralized network of independent democracies,
>>just as we need individuals practicing reponsible self rule from a
>>common global sense of our deep interactivity. That how genuine
>>freedom and democracy can work best. Isn't it time for us humans
>>to outgrow our addiction to despots? Or do we still fear adulthood?
>>-- ken
>>
>>Ken Freed, Publisher
>>Media Visions Journal
>>http://www.media-visions.com
>>
>>"Deep literacy makes global sense."
>>
>>
>>
>> >And then we can undertake to create a global constitution for the
>> >Global Economy, and then take on any other edge controlled
>> >environments which also surely\ need to have a constitution, to apply
>> >Centralized Democratic Government.
>> >
>> >Enjoy your trip;-)...
>> >
>> >At 12:47 -0600 07/09/01, Ken Freed wrote:
>> >>Seems to me any effort to work within ICANN
>> >>to acheive "network democracy" is innately an
>> >>act of self-deception, continuing the public lie
>> >>that ICANN is a legitimate government. It isn't.
>> >>
>> >>There has never been a public vote to privatise
>> >>our public Internet. There has never been a public
>> >>vote to grant any governance power to ICANN. The
>> >>emperor is clothed in a fabric of veiled delusions.
>> >>
>> >>I still advocate a global Internet constitution, so we
>> >>have a governmewnt of laws not committees.
>> >>
>> >>Ken Freed
>> >>Media Visions Journal
>> >>http://www.media-visions.com
>> >>
>> >>"Deep literacy makes global sense"
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >(fixed)
>> >> >
>> >> >>Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 08:21:30 -0500
>> >> >>From: "ooblick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> >>Subject: Re: Re: Why wake up? (Re: [IFWP] Is this list up? (Test,
>> ignore,
>> >> >>sorry))
>> >> >>To: "Dan Steinberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> >>Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> >>MIME-Version: 1.0
>> >> >>Content-Type: text/plain
>> >> >>Message-ID:
>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> >>X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Sep 2001 12:18:55.0359 (UTC)
>> >> >>FILETIME=[EE94E8F0:01C13604]
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Hear hear. So i am going on vacation. The fix was in from the get go
>> >> >>and all we were was pawns to lend legitimacy to their fabricated
>>claims
>> >> >>of consensus.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>See you next week. I'm going diving.
>> >> >>>---- Original Message ---
>> >> >>>From: Dan Steinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> >>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> >>>Cc:
>> >> >>>Subject: Re: Why wake up? (Re: [IFWP] Is this list up? (Test, ignore,
>> >> >>>sorry))
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>Well to counter your argument I would say that I went to IFWP
>>meetings
>> >> >>>all over
>> >> >>>the globe, went to an ICANN meeting or two. I worked on the at-large
>> >> >>>issue in
>> >> >>>good faith in the first Membership Advisory Committee. I believe
>> I was
>> >> >>>very awake
>> >> >>>during the entire process, with gusts to diligent. What did all that
>> >> >>>work get?
>> >> >>>not much I think. I am not funded to work on lost causes.
>> >>Those that go to
>> >> >>>Montevideo are funded to act and more than a couple of them will
>> have a
>> >> >>>pre-set
>> >> >>>agenda. Unless you want to fund everyone on this list to show up
>> >>and make a
>> >> >>>presence felt, I think sleeping is the more economical course.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>Marc Schneiders wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> Why we should wake up fast? Quite a few people are on their way to
>> >> >>>> Montevideo right now. A couple of them may try to determine a
>> lot of
>> >> >>>> things on their own there without real input from those
>> affected. The
>> >> >>>> ALSC preliminary report leaves not much hope for a change to the
>> >> >>>> better. Now, if it would be a good, thorough, well argued
>>report, in
>> >> >>>> whi
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >--
>> >> > "But at the end of the day, even if you put a calico dress on
>> >> > it and call it Florence, a pig is still a pig."
>> >> > -- Bradshaw v. Unity Marine Corp. et al., 2001 U.S. Dist.
>> >> > LEXIS 8962, (S. D. Tex., 2001).
>> >> >
>> >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>>
>
>+++
>
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