But, your initial question was not "What level of security and integrity is provided by pfSense?" or "How do judge the safety and security of pfSense?"
Your question was "Has pfSense been compromised by Big Brother?" In the context of your Bank question it reads more like "Have you been robbed yet?" or "Are you working with crooks?" and not "How safe is my money?" For Microsoft it reads "How broken is Word", not "How good is Word?" Or closer to the question "Are you in bed with the NSA", not "How safe are are Word documents from others?" Most people are happy to engage in questions of the form "Tell about what your product does to solve/fix the problem?" and consider questions of the form "Have you sold out to the NSA?" or "How broken is your product?" to be insulting. I ask you "How broken are you?" It is a simple question, what is your response? Do you feel at all insulted by that question. You seem to be missing the idea that the context of the question matters. Do some research on the parse "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" and tell me if you would be upset if someone asked you that question. Walter On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Thinker Rix <[email protected]>wrote: > Hi Walter, > > > On 2013-10-09 21:53, Walter Parker wrote: > >> To answer your question about throwing the first stone. Your question >> reads a bit like the "Are you a criminal/commie?" questions. Many people >> would object to the question at the start because it implies that the >> people being asked the question has done something wrong. Watching the >> reactions to political debates shows that asking the question can be enough >> to get a sizable amount of the audience to think the answer is yes, even >> when no proof is ever given that something happened. >> > > Interesting what all kinds of different things you do interpret into my > question. > By my comprehension I just asked simple but important question and did > this quite straight-forwardly. > > > >> Then when the question was deleted, you demanded that pfSense take a >> stand on it. >> > > Yes. Censorship always raises questions. > > > Let me show you what it looks like from the other side: >> >> Have you planned to overthrow the government? When will you show that you >> are not plotting to kill your fellow country men? >> It is a simple question, when will we here something from you? I just ask >> because I want to be sure that you are not trying to kill me. >> > > Well, your example neglects one important aspect: pfSense is a kind of > security software project. Asking it about it's level of security and > integrity is a question that such a project must stand, IMHO. It is like > asking a bank how safe my money is. Or asking Microsoft how good "Word" is > for writing letters; while asking me about if I plan to overthrow some > government or kill other people refers to nothing. > > > For the tool in question, pfSense, once you start questioning it, there >> is no way to get the bottom without eithering trusting the pfSense people >> (which means that the question is pointless because if you trust them, >> asking them if they have violated your trust means that you don't trust >> them) or getting an external validation (trusting another group of people >> or doing the work yourself). >> > > I guess for anybody related to computer security it is a must to question > anything anytime and take nothing for granted. You should question > everything any time and any player in this domain should accept any > questions any time, IMHO. > > > FYI, there is a long history on the Internet of people asking simple >> "innocent " question, not to get actually answers, but to cause trouble by >> causing the effect described at the beginning of my email (these are called >> trolls). >> > > What trouble do you refer to? I only read some aggressive/ snappy answers > which - frankly - I find pretty awkward reactions to my simple question. > > > Regards > Thinker Rix > ______________________________**_________________ > List mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.pfsense.org/**mailman/listinfo/list<http://lists.pfsense.org/mailman/listinfo/list> > -- The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding. -- Justice Louis D. Brandeis
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