Sorry. I'll stop.
On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Pim van Stam <[email protected]> wrote: > All, > > Can this flame be put to an end or continued via private mail? > This endless discussion would be reason for me to unsubscribe and that's > not the goal of the list i guess. > > Regards, Pim > > > On 9 okt. 2013, at 22:26, Thinker Rix wrote: > > > Hi Walter, > > > > On 2013-10-09 21:53, Walter Parker wrote: > >> To answer your question about throwing the first stone. Your question > reads a bit like the "Are you a criminal/commie?" questions. Many people > would object to the question at the start because it implies that the > people being asked the question has done something wrong. Watching the > reactions to political debates shows that asking the question can be enough > to get a sizable amount of the audience to think the answer is yes, even > when no proof is ever given that something happened. > > > > Interesting what all kinds of different things you do interpret into my > question. > > By my comprehension I just asked simple but important question and did > this quite straight-forwardly. > > > >> > >> Then when the question was deleted, you demanded that pfSense take a > stand on it. > > > > Yes. Censorship always raises questions. > > > >> Let me show you what it looks like from the other side: > >> > >> Have you planned to overthrow the government? When will you show that > you are not plotting to kill your fellow country men? > >> It is a simple question, when will we here something from you? I just > ask because I want to be sure that you are not trying to kill me. > > > > Well, your example neglects one important aspect: pfSense is a kind of > security software project. Asking it about it's level of security and > integrity is a question that such a project must stand, IMHO. It is like > asking a bank how safe my money is. Or asking Microsoft how good "Word" is > for writing letters; while asking me about if I plan to overthrow some > government or kill other people refers to nothing. > > > >> For the tool in question, pfSense, once you start questioning it, there > is no way to get the bottom without eithering trusting the pfSense people > (which means that the question is pointless because if you trust them, > asking them if they have violated your trust means that you don't trust > them) or getting an external validation (trusting another group of people > or doing the work yourself). > > > > I guess for anybody related to computer security it is a must to > question anything anytime and take nothing for granted. You should question > everything any time and any player in this domain should accept any > questions any time, IMHO. > > > >> FYI, there is a long history on the Internet of people asking simple > "innocent " question, not to get actually answers, but to cause trouble by > causing the effect described at the beginning of my email (these are called > trolls). > > > > What trouble do you refer to? I only read some aggressive/ snappy > answers which - frankly - I find pretty awkward reactions to my simple > question. > > > > Regards > > Thinker Rix > > _______________________________________________ > > List mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.pfsense.org/mailman/listinfo/list > > _______________________________________________ > List mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.pfsense.org/mailman/listinfo/list > -- The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding. -- Justice Louis D. Brandeis
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