On Jul 30, 2014, at 4:34 PM, Espen Johansen <[email protected]> wrote:

> As a allways on device it would make sense to have a highly integral self- 
> repairing FS don't you think? Remeber pfs started in 2005 not yesteryear. A 
> lot of decisions where made by devs (myself included) based on what was the 
> greatest thing/best choice at the time. And over time a lot of things stay 
> like it "allways" has untill there is a need for change.

As an enthusiastic early adopter of ZFS on FreeBSD, I'm probably one of
the last people you'll need to convince to use it. :-)  In fact, this
week I just installed a server with ZFS-on-root over gmultipath'ed
drives, combined with beadm-style boot environments that allow me to do
complete system rollbacks to known configurations.  (I've used ZFS+beadm
in the past to build a cloner KVM VM image that has both bootable
FreeBSD 9 and FreeBSD 10 installations on the same ZFS pool.  When I
deploy it I just "beadm destroy" the version of FreeBSD I'm not using.)

Despite all that FreeBSD ZFS love, I still would not recommend it on
FreeBSD/i386-based installations (as the OP said he was using).  It is
much more of a headache to use in that milieu, and, IMHO, doesn't get
the testing and general care and feeding that the FreeBSD/amd64 version
gets.  (And this is as someone who used ZFS-on-root on FreeBSD/i386
literally for years over several major FreeBSD versions.)

Also, ZFS would not be a good fit on low-memory embedded hardware.
There are enough problems getting ARC to play nicely on high-memory
systems under memory pressure... :-)

> To OP; Set it to 640MB and be a happy camper.
> 

Well, at least that will make that message go away, which seems to be
the main concern. :-)

Cheers,

Paul.

> -lsf
> 
> 30. juli 2014 22:24 skrev "Paul Mather" <[email protected]> følgende:
> On Jul 30, 2014, at 4:09 PM, Espen Johansen <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> > ZFS = FS+LVM. Its efficient in many ways. Its highly resillient to things 
> > like silent data corruption ( disk FW bugs, power spikes). It has on the 
> > fly checking and repair. Copy on write, snapshoting, NFSv4 native acls and 
> > a few more nice things. I dont understand the bashing?
> >
> 
> I swear by ZFS on my regular FreeBSD systems (though I was having
> trouble with it on FreeBSD/i386 latterly).  I don't think there's any
> "bashing" of ZFS per se, just a wondering why you'd use it on a
> firewall appliance that's basically a nanobsd setup at heart...
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Paul.
> 
> > -lsf
> >
> > 30. juli 2014 21:44 skrev "Stefan Baur" <[email protected]> 
> > følgende:
> > Am 30.07.2014 um 16:43 schrieb Vick Khera:
> > > On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Paul Mather <[email protected]> 
> > > wrote:
> > >> Personally, I think ZFS on i386 has become a losing proposition as of
> > >> late.  I ran a ZFS-on-root FreeBSD/i386 10-STABLE system with 2 GB of
> > >> RAM and it appeared to become very flaky with ZFS in its latter months
> > >> (I eventually switched it out for a FreeBSD/amd64 system).
> > >
> > > I cannot fathom a sensible use case for using ZFS on pfSense at all.
> >
> > I'm not consciously using ZFS for anything on pfSense, I *think* I
> > performed the default install, but it could be using ntfs or vfat for
> > all that I care. ;-) So I don't know why it's trying to use that - is it
> > normal for a default pfSense install or not?
> >
> > I just saw the warning message and was wondering what to do about it.
> >
> > -Stefan
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