I've just carried out a research project (http://www.roboneill.co.uk/research.htm) in which I observed blind web users in action. You just don't realise the obstacles they face until you see it for yourself.
 
Look in your yellow pages for a local self help group, I'm sure they would be happy to let you observe them and their access technologies in action.
 
Rob.
 
 
 


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On 2 Nov 2006, at 14:36:22, Barney Carroll wrote:

> Not sure if this is exactly the place to ask, but I am very eager 
> to get any authoritative (and by now, 'authoritative' can be 
> qualified by anybody who's so much as seen one) information on 
> screen readers.
>
> Despite the fact I haven't been able to find anyone who has ever 
> used a screen reader,

Have you asked any blind people? There's probably some charitable 
organisation local to you that would be able to put you in touch with 
people with various degrees of visual impairment, using assorted 
assistive technologies to various levels of competence, who would be 
willing to participate in a properly-constructed program of user 
testing.

> Only I can never know if I have achieved it, because I can't test 
> it; nor can I find anybody else to test for me, or even pin-point 
> known problems.
>

You can download trial versions of all the major screen-reading 
applications. (Learning to use them in the same way as a visually 
impaired user is a different challenge, hence the importance of user 
testing.)

> I think the myth surrounding screen readers is an incredibly bad 
> thing because it fills the community with superstition. A great 
> many otherwise intelligent, adventurous and imaginative potential 
> innovators in the world of web design are completely crippled by 
> this thing that they have no experience of whatsoever - it may as 
> well be imaginary.

My blind friend Andy would kick you in the balls for describing an 
awareness of the difficulties he faces as "superstition" or 
"imaginary". He wears heavy boots, too.

> w3c's accessibility guidelines are highly revered, and for the most 
> part there is go! od cause for this - and as I've said I am a 
> supporter of the notion of standardisation - but when talking about 
> the precepts of design for the blind, I become very cynical because 
> this stuff is pure idle theory from sighted people.
>

Not so. There is plenty of good information out there based on the 
actual experiences of blind and partially sighted people. Also note 
that the W3C's accessibility guidelines are not exclusively concerned 
with visual impairment.

> I would love any links to articles/archived polemic/research 
> studies/the appropriate list... If anybody here has actual 
> experience of a screen reader, I would be overjoyed to hear from them.
>

Download and use one (or preferably several). And read, mark, learn 
and inwardly digest the book "Web Accessibility: Web Standards and 
Regulatory Compliance" (Thatcher et al., pub. Friends of Ed 2006).

> Likewise, if this is wholly irrelevant to this list then please 
> tell me. :)
>

I think any discussion of accessibility is valuable when intended to 
improve awareness of the issues involved :-)

Regards,

Nick.
--
Nick Fitzsimons
http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/





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