Mihael Zadravec wrote:


On 1/12/07, *Mihael Zadravec* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:



    On 1/12/07, *Rob O'Rourke* < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
    <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:

        Christian Montoya wrote:
        > On 1/12/07, Marcio Werneck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
        <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
        >> Hello !
        >>
        >> I have a doubt regarding putting the logo in an H tag.
        >>
        >> Wrapping the website logo in an H1, is a good practice? -
        always?
        >
        > I have done the following with multiple sites:
        >
        > <h1><img src="logo" alt="site title"></h1>
        >
        > And have never seen any issues with regards to SEO.
        >
        > As for semantics, if you think about it, the title of the
        site is in
        > the <title> tag (you know, in the <head>), so having a
        duplicate of
        > that in the <h1> tag really isn't that useful. If you can go
        with just
        > using a div for the logo and making the <h1> the title of the
        current
        > page rather than the title of the site, that's a much better
        option.
        >

        I do this sort of thing too, I usually place both the logo and
        the site
        title in an h2 in the page header and then the page title in an h1
        associated with the content, depends on the layout and what
        people are
        likely to be searching for. If its a small site and your page
        titles are
        things like 'About Us' (and other favourites) then SEO wise
        you are
        better off putting the site name/company name in the h1. If
        it's a blog
        then you want the article titles in the h1 and nice readable url.

        Rob



    I you'd listen to screen reader... (I use JAWS), you could se the
    diference in expirience....  I still claim it is absolutly better,
    if it's headeing... let it be text. Screen reader otherwise reads
    it "heading one. image graphics. Company logo" ... it is much much
    more nicer if it says "heading one. Company name dash online
    computer store"

    image graphics bla bla... and than you also need to point out with
    alt text that the image graphic is "Somecompanyname logo"...
    I prefer the text in headings.



EDIT -> ROB, don't get me wrong... When I said "If you'd listen to screen reader", I was not pointing at you... It was just a figure of speech and for those who did not listen to screen reader...

cya!
Mihael



No worries Mihael, i think you wanted to say "if you have ever listened to a screen reader".

When I say I put the logo in a header it's because It's my opinion that it is an important part of the document and should be in the html as with other images that are relevant to the document. A website ideally should be accessible to everyone, sighted or not so I don't code specifically for screen readers nor any user agent. I always try to code a nice, meaningful document. 'Try' is the operative word there, one thing that's clear is that any consensus from these discussions is hard to come by.

I've not managed to get a screen-reader working very well for testing so far, does anyone know of one (preferably free) that provides a fairly typical screen reader experience?

JAWS is a bit out of my price range.

Cheers
Rob O


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