Lee, which side of the thermostat is the hot water heater plumbed to? If you 
can plumb it to the interior side, not the heat exchanger side, the water will 
heat faster. That should be the fresh water pump side.


-----Original Message-----
From: Lee Haefele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:48 am
Subject: [Liveaboard] Hot water project



I would like hot water for showers and dish washing without running the 
engine.? Would also like to improve time the engine takes to heat water. 

I have an Attwood 11 gallon heater, it seems to have ~1/2" of fiberglass 
insulation, at least on the front where I can see.? I have new Westerbeke 44B 
motors, the antifreeze circulates from below the thermostat, to the water 
heater and back to the water pump.? The previous Westerbeke 42B engine tapped 
water with a restricting double "T" that was inline to the heat exchanger.? 
Neither arrangement would heat water at idle, both took 1-2hrs at cruise 
speed.? There is an expansion tank plumbed in the antifreeze output line of the 
heater, it is such that all water flows through, it holds about a gallon and 
takes about 5 minutes to heat after the hoses are very hot.?So I think flow is 
less than 1 quart/minute.?I am going to replumb this so that the hot water 
flows directly back to the engine and the tank is on a "T".? Doubt this will 
make much difference.? The exit water is colder than the entry water, possibly 
by 30 degrees, but it is hard to get a good reading on a rubber hose.?!
  Other boaters heat water in less than 1/2 hour, why is mine slower and what 
can I do to improve it?? Is there a better?place to tap hot antifreeze?

I have 4 120W solar panels and usually have some excess energy, however, I 
have?a Blue Sky MPPT controller that does not switch excess power to a load.

Possibilities: Foam insulate existing heater (What to use? Great Stuff brand?) 
and use either a 12V heating element or a 240V element run on 120V from the 
inverter (This will give 1/4 wattage), combined with a wind up timer switch.?? 
Automatic operation would be much better, is there any way I could use a Blue 
Seas adjustable battery combiner for this?? Any other ideas?

Big $$ idea:? Replace heater with Isotherm model 40DS, ~$800?, this has foam 
insulation, a double loop in the exchanger tube and this model has 2 exchanger 
loops.? Could I plumb a solar water collector in to the second loop?? This 
could be as simple as a coil of black pipe, but would need a pump and 
controls.?I have heard of some mini solar pumps, what I find is expensive.?I 
could plumb a coil of hose in line with the shower, but I normally shower not 
at times of hot sun.? It seems silly to have tropical sun and no hot water.

Lee Haefele

Leopard 38 cat Alesto 2



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