Norm,
Check out Costa Rica, you only have to prove to the government that you have an 
income of $600.00...
HTH

 Sea Ya
Larry 
S/V Two Step-N
N 40* 53.320'
W 073* 47.122'




----- Original Message ----
From: Norm of Bandersnatch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Jeff S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: A LiveAboardList <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 12:06:10 PM
Subject: [Liveaboard] The LIvaboard Lifestyle

 
 
Jeff,
 
There is one other gentleman whom I see often at his boat in Julington Creek, 
the green-hulled Tahiti ketch, Tahiti Rover, anchored closest to the marinas.  
He is Robbie Johnson and has a cruising cookbook, the Gourmet Underway, or 
similar.  He is not sociable unless he is holding forth about his victory over 
his recent cop attack.
 
My boat is anchored farthest from the marinas due to draft limitations.  Jan 
and I are off and on because we are taking care of my elderly mother in Ft 
Myers.
 
You should be aware that the liveaboard lifestyle is under constant attack.  
Many Florida municipalities, and I have heard the State itself too, actually 
outlaw living aboard a boat, as does Georgia.  We are considered to be bums and 
tramps, akin to Gypsies, and there are laws against our very existence.  Some 
weeks ago my nearest neighbor ashore stated that he hated me because: I didn't 
pay property taxes (he pays $25K/year for his multi-million dollar house), I 
poop in the river (I have a composting toilet) and I am anchored in his sight. 
 
I am considering taking my pension and SS checks and moving to another country 
to live out my retirement.  Suggestions anyone?
 
Or I could find a marina in this country somewhere and tie the boat up even 
though the boat is self-sufficient at anchor.  Rent and utilities would cost me 
about half my retirement stipend.   It is far more acceptable to the bosses for 
someone who lives aboard to do this.  It is a lifestyle more similar the lives 
of the politicians and cops and more to the point; part of one's rent money 
finds its way into their pockets.
 
"Local cities and counties in Florida have been prohibited by statute 327.60(2) 
from regulating the anchoring of non live-aboard vessels even though many of 
them have been doing so for years." (from the recent posting)  
 
Notice that this prohibition only applies to "NON-LIVEABOARD" vessels.  Locals 
are free to outlaw anyone who actually lives aboard his vessel.  If you own a 
residence somewhere you are a "full time cruiser" instead of a "liveaboard".  
This is why cops often ask if you have a home on land.  The proper answer is 
always "yes".  Keep in mind that it is crime to lie to a cop, whether you are 
under oath or not.  (However, is is perfectly legal for a cop to lie to a 
citizen and they often do.)
 
Notice further that our being declared to be criminals has entirely to do with 
owning property ashore or tying up in a marina.  The crux of the matter lies in 
money, which relates to the greed for power.  Paying property taxes on a 
residence ashore is the primary source of the money in the politician's and the 
cop's wallet.  If money flows freely from your pocket to the politician's and 
cop's pocket, you are a good citizen, if not, you are a criminal.
 
I hope you noticed the message posted on this List about the pending major 
attack on us by the FWC water cops.  I hope you responded and made your 
viewpoint known to the address provided.
 
American society is two-faced.  The independent, self-sufficient ,lifestyle is 
often respected and admired in literature as the strength of the Pioneers who 
built this Country, but in actual fact we are vilified, considered to be 
degenerate reprobates and laws are enacted to destroy us, a process going on as 
we speak. 
 
If you are considering living aboard a boat you must consider these facts.
 
These are the man-made conditions the liveaboard has to contend with, and they 
are by far the most danger we face, far worse than any weather, mechanical 
breakage, or navigation demands.  
 
Our own country, which we spent our lives helping to build and supporting in 
many ways, has turned against us and has hired men with guns to destroy us.
 
 
Norm
S/V Bandersnatch
Lying Julington Creek
30 07.695N 081 38.484W
 
 
 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Jeff S 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 9/27/2008 5:42:59 PM 
Subject: Anchored in Julington Creek
Hi Norm,
 
I saw your posts on the Liveaboard forums. I live in the area and drive over 
the bridge every day and have seen the number of boats anchoring up west of the 
marinas.   Does anyone else live aboard there?  My wife and I are talking about 
buying a boat and I thought that would be a great place to stay.
 
Thanks
 
Jeff


      
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