Ed and everone else...you might enjoy reading of buddy, melissa and indigo
moon's
adventures... www.indigomoon.us.
you might want to go back to 2006 and read thier trip in Venezuela..
they spent last hurricane season in Columbia..
this year they are on the Rio Dulce..
Buddy, a retired barrister, is a great writer and his photos are awesome
they liveaboard a Lagoon 38.
if the url is not right let me know.. i have it bookmarked..

On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 10:53 PM, Ed Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I do not see Americans losing their rights and becoming like
> foreign countries.  But we are being restricted more...
>
> But our rights are rather difficult to change and are preserved.
> We have a constitution and a means to challenge any systematic denial of
> rights that is not supported by the constitution and laws of the US
> and the
> Individual states.
>
> Infringement of constitutional rights can cause the miscreant (no
> matter who
> employs him or her) to later rue the day they pushed it too far.
>
> One of the only truths I know is summed up in a quote by
> Lord Acton, over a century ago in England:
>
> Power tends to corrupt.  Absolute Power corrupts absolutely.
>
> This goes for politics as well as for law enforcement - and for
> private citizens and monopolies too.
>
> I have been fortunate to spend my much of life enforcing the law as
> a public prosecutor and another part as a trial lawyer.  As a criminal
> prosecutor I have been fortunate to see many officers who were the
> best people one could ever meet... I have also seen and been involved
> in prosecuting some who were rotten people and bad officers.
>
> We are in Annapolis tonight as I write this. We have our TWIC cards
> from DHS and comply with all the rules. There were not as many in
> former years. Folks had a lot more freedom.
>
> AS LIVEABOARDS WE ARE ALL FORTUNATE.  We are getting to
> do what people will not be permitted to do sometime in the future.
> There are just too many people and the environment will be so strictly
> regulated in the future no one but the super rich will be able to
> afford it.
> Lets hope it takes a hundred years.  But it will happen over time.
>
> Now throughout much of New England the popular harbors have been
> totally filled with mooring balls.  In parts of the Caribbean the same
> thing has happened in some bays.  Even folks with totally sufficient
> waste treatment MSDs like the Lectrasan's (that return cleaner water
> to the bays than what they take in) are finding laws and rules imposed
> to make large stretches of water no discharge zones.  All manner
> of cities regulate how close you can come to the shore or other
> structures, and how fast you can go, etc. etc.
>
> The same thing happened to campers in past years. Think about it.
> If you own a Winnebago (a land yacht) you cannot just go park it
> in any public  area and live there.  You probably could do that many
> years ago.
>
> We have become a regulated and structured society. We did it
> to ourselves.  The folks who enforce the laws, whether they are
> tax laws, motor vehicle laws, zoning laws, or water safety laws
> are doing what they are ordered to do under laws we all had a
> hand in making through our elected representatives.
>
> Society selects its citizens as zoning boards, city councils, state
> and federal legislators and as public officials to bring 'order out
> of chaos'.
>
> In this country we have laws to prevent their enforcement
> in an Arbitrary an Capricious manner.  If there is a dispute over
> enforcement we even have courts and lay juries to resolve
> the disputes.
>
> The same type of rules bedevil the homeowner who has
> no boat.  You cannot make an addition on a home in most areas
> without a zoning permit.  You must comply with the setbacks
> and building rules and get a permit just to use your own land
> you pay thousands of $s in taxes a year to use.
>
> Its not fair, but all of us collectively elect our own rulers.  Its a
> terrible system of government.  Except - as Abe Lincoln or
> someone else  said - except for all the other forms.
>
>  Sue and I are loving this lifestyle and are squeezing every bit
> of joy from it while we can.  But we do not fool ourselves.  We
> could not do it without resources and someday this will not
> be an option for many who are out here today.
>
> We will intend to go to foreign ports - like others on this list -
> and plan on visiting many lands between here and the area
> south of the hurricane zone during the next year.  If we find
> somewhere it would be fun to live longer term in the future
> we will do so, with its inherent risks.
>
>
> Ed Kelly (& Sue Kelly)
> USSV Angel Louise - a Catalac catamaran
> Our Skype Phone (202) 657-6357
> Email:  EdKelly ("at" symbol) netins.net
>
>
>
> On Sep 30, 2008, at 9:53 PM, Ken James wrote:
>
>
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Norm, and others,  I'd be interested in what "foreign countries"
> > somewhat convenient to the US, those dissatisfied with the US would
> > consider as friendly better alternatives?
>
> I think you raise a good point with this question,
> but I do agree that we are loosing many of our
> freedoms today, whether necessary or otherwise. If
> we don't watch out we could end up like some of
> these countries. -Ken
>
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