I agree 100% with Arild, Phil.  I installed one of the PulseTech units on my
other boat which had a pair of L-16s for the house bank and a G-24 for the
starting battery. They give you an option for a "solar powered" unit but I
used the standard one and just hooked it up to the house bank. The draw was
minimal, especially considering that the pair of L-16s gave me close to a
379 ah house bank. Worked like a charm for many, many years.

The only reason I haven't put one on the new one (4 T-105s for the house) is
I just haven't gotten around to it yet and these batteries are brand new.  I
fully intend to give them a call later this year and order and install one
for Captiva.

Come to think of it, I believe Sam Densler also mentioned them as excellent 
last winter or earlier this spring when this topic came up...




Steve Weinstein
S/V CAPTIVA
1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376
Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 8:58 PM
Subject: [Liveaboard] Recovering supposedly dead batteries -( Was:
TrojanBatteries)


>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Philip Lange"
>> Tested the Battery with a hydrometer today. One cell is flat, just
>> bubbled its way to oblivion. The other 5 cells are well into the green.
>> Spoke with a Trojan Tech this afternoon. Among other things he cautioned
>> against using those battery re-conditioners. Jason said that Trojan had
>> tested a number of them and none did what they were supposed to do.
>> Trojan is of the opinion that all they do is take juice from the
>> battery.
>> Philip
>
>
> REPLY
> Did you really expect to  get a rousing endorsement of a product that
> might
> cut into their sales?
>
> Pulsetech  took out their patent  back in 1985.  They developed a product
> exclusively for the US military.
> It apparenly worked.  After ten years of military use they got permission
> to  market the product and technology to the consumer market in  1995.  I
> was asked if I knew anything  about the product in 2000. My initial
> reaction
> was "this must be snake oil! "  but in an effort to at least give it the
> benefit of the doubt I did look into it.
> I worked for Xantrex at the time and  I was given  the go ahead to
> investigate and see if it might be viable technology and perhaps
> worthwhile
> licencing the technology  as a complement to our own charger products.
> Despite my own scepticism  I acquired some samples and began testing.  We
> had a lot of dead batteries in our engineering lab  so I started with
> them.
> To my surprise I was able to revive  about half.  These were batteries
> that
> had been tested to destruction or left on the shelf for months if not
> longer. In retrospect I suspec the recovered bateries wer likey the ones
> left on shelf before ebeign totally desttroyed.  I also began
> disassembling
> batteries to see how the platesd inside had  been damaged.
>
> At about that time Xantrex  had a major shift in corporate focus and the
> project was abandoned.  I continued  on my own time. By this time  several
> copy cat products began appearing on the market.  Battery Minder being one
> of them. In  one on one tests these did not always  work as well.
> However  I was getting  similar results  of about 75% - 80%  recovery of
> sulfated batteries.
> Batteries  that were physically damaged  from  electrolyte depletion or
> having bent and cracked plates did not respond to treatment.  Sulfated
> batteries that were physically intact  did.
> I began  salvaging  batteries from the disposal at marinas  every spring.
> After a winter of siting idle , sometimes without even being charged, a
> lot
> of batteries  were declared dead by mechanics  who  did not bother to
> test
> them properly.
> It is not  snake oil nor is it rocket science.  Pulsetech did at one time
> publish tech paper  but  of late these have disappeard from public
> posting.
> Presumably because too many competitors were reverse engineering  the
> product and  cutting into their sales.
>
> Don't take my word for it.  do your own research.  Puzzle out the physics
> behind the claims. you'll see.
>
> Arild
>
> .
>
>
>
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