On 18 November 2014 22:19, Rob Kudla <sourceforge-raind...@kudla.org> wrote:
> On 11/18/2014 02:23 PM, Vesa wrote:

>> Well, if you have old projects, you'll just have to finish them with 1.1
>> or 1.2 and render them to wavs. Then publish them, forget about it, and
>> make new music with 2.0.

> If this is the current development team's outlook, I really think LMMS 2.x
> needs to be called something other than LMMS (and the project file
> extensions should change too.) I can't speak for anyone else, but
> personally, I'm never, ever done with a piece of music.



I wouldn't respond as acerbically as Rob.

But I do want to note: for us users, it's about our music. Users don't
actually care about the software, they care what they can do with it.

If LMMS 2 is file-incompatible with LMMS 1, it's not the same software at all.

I fully appreciate how messed-up some codebases can be. I follow
LibreOffice. Hoo boy. They had a *mess* to deal with. And they
couldn't just tell everyone to throw away their documents and write
new documents.

There's a bit in Neal Stephenson's "In The Beginning Was the Command
Line" about this:

===
I began using Microsoft Word as soon as the first version was released
around 1985. After some initial hassles I found it to be a better tool
than MacWrite, which was its only competition at the time. I wrote a
lot of stuff in early versions of Word, storing it all on floppies,
and transferred the contents of all my floppies to my first hard
drive, which I acquired around 1987. As new versions of Word came out
I faithfully upgraded, reasoning that as a writer it made sense for me
to spend a certain amount of money on tools.

Sometime in the mid-1980's I attempted to open one of my old,
circa-1985 Word documents using the version of Word then current: 6.0
It didn't work. Word 6.0 did not recognize a document created by an
earlier version of itself. By opening it as a text file, I was able to
recover the sequences of letters that made up the text of the
document. My words were still there. But the formatting had been run
through a log chipper--the words I'd written were interrupted by
spates of empty rectangular boxes and gibberish.

Now, in the context of a business (the chief market for Word) this
sort of thing is only an annoyance--one of the routine hassles that go
along with using computers. It's easy to buy little file converter
programs that will take care of this problem. But if you are a writer
whose career is words, whose professional identity is a corpus of
written documents, this kind of thing is extremely disquieting. There
are very few fixed assumptions in my line of work, but one of them is
that once you have written a word, it is written, and cannot be
unwritten. The ink stains the paper, the chisel cuts the stone, the
stylus marks the clay, and something has irrevocably happened (my
brother-in-law is a theologian who reads 3250-year-old cuneiform
tablets--he can recognize the handwriting of particular scribes, and
identify them by name). But word-processing software--particularly the
sort that employs special, complex file formats--has the eldritch
power to unwrite things. A small change in file formats, or a few
twiddled bits, and months' or years' literary output can cease to
exist.
===


If I saw an easy way out of this dilemma I'd have posted it. If I
could personally code my way out of it, I would.

But "throw away all your stuff and write new stuff" isn't it, really.


- d.

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