@Tobiasz,
As usual, you are absolutely correct. I admire your enthusiasm last year I
considered starting a kick-starter for LMMS, but lack the time.
*What LMMS needs to march forward:*
- A dedicated QT development team
- Easily funded by a Kickstarter
- Dedicated graphics/branding point of contact
- Work with QT developers to finish theming support
- Easily funded by a Kickstarter
- Dedicated language/locale point of contact
- Work with QT developers to implement proper QM language support
*Obstacles:*
- From my understanding, despite the money we raise, the primary
developer, Tobias Doerffel does not have the time to dedicate to what we
are describing
- Tobias made it open source for a reason, so he is likely in favor of
such a campaign.
- A centralized leader or project manager is needed. This PM needs to
have experiencing managing medium to large development efforts, budgets,
resources and timelines.
- A backing non-profit will help. If a team is hired, there needs to be
a place for the money, and the payroll and taxes need to be managed
properly.
*Community:*
- It is my experience that the rich community will be born from
necessity.
- Currently, LMMS lacks the stability and efficiency in a DAW needed to
get a large community behind it.
- Once the software is stable and taken seriously by the music
community, the VST and Instrument vendors will start testing compatibility
and offer support to LMMS users.
*Where LMMS shines:*
- Price
- Instrument Plugins
- Cross-platform
- Piano Roll
*Where LMMS lacks:*
- Undo feature
- Lack of "Drum Rack"
- Inconsistency in UI (Right Click vs. Double Click vs. Ctrl Click vs.
Alt Click)
- UI space usage (toolbar is ~10% of screen, as opposed to Ableton's ~5%)
- Branding/Artwork/Theme
- Stability
- Popularity/Reputation w/ music community
- MIDI export
- MP3 import/MP3 export
*The Big Question:*
- Who has the experience and the time to project manage this overhaul?
Note: Project Managers can pay themselves for their work and still be
considered non-profit.
At this time in my life, I can personally offer to donate money and ideas,
but cannot dedicate a lot of time.
P.S. Tobiasz, I don't think I'm subscribed to the dev list, so you may
want to forward this along.
-Tres
- tres.finocchi...@gmail.com
On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 9:05 AM, Tobiasz Karoń <unf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I like forums.xonotic.org maybe we could use the same engine they have
> there.
> There was a forum somewhere but I found it nowhere to be found.
>
> *Johannes*, it's great for you to show up - yes, we need new poeple to
> push this project forward.
>
> *Emilio,* you're right - new name would support new era in the life of
> the program and make it easier to tracks it's growth.
> For sure we need it. I'm thinking if it could become Paul Giblock's
> "Unison Studio" as i really like the name and it's already connected, or do
> we need something different again.
>
> *David,* I'd say LMMS is capable of real work - I've done over 6 hours
> of music with it and released two big albums - but the lack of undo, or
> basic editing functions in the song editor makes it a needlessly long
> process. And yes, this is being worked on.
>
> I'd also want to suggest two name changes inside the program:
>
> *Beat + Bassline Editor → Pattern Editor *(becasue not every patter is a
> beat or a bassline)
> *Song Editor → Sequencer *(for not every track is a song)
>
> I think to properly organize this "LMMS Rebirth" we need a good way to
> communicate - meeting could be hard to deploy (we're spread all around the
> globe) but at least a good place in the internet is needed.
>
> *Jonathan *has offered a section on his forums - maybe we should go for
> it and start planning and discussing there? It'll prevent the ideas from
> disappearing into the void...
>
>
>
> 2014/1/9 Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051...@gmail.com>
>
>> I thought that was only going to replace the core of lmms and nothing
>> else.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Tobiasz Karoń <unf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you, Emilio!
>>>
>>> The misleading name issue you mentioned was discussed already (someone
>>> proposed to rename it to *Love Making Music Studio*, which I personally
>>> liked), but other said that LMMS is an established brand (like "Pepsi") and
>>> dropping the name could hurt us a lot. Others replied we can keep a
>>> "formerly: LMMS" caption under the new name for some time.
>>>
>>> I'd support the idea of bringing a new, better fitting name and logo.
>>> There's a Paul Giblock's initiative to re-write LMMS named Unison
>>> Studio<http://sourceforge.net/projects/unison/> -
>>> I remember it also had a really nice logo. I don't know what's with that
>>> but I'll try to get some information about this.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2014/1/9 Emilio Coppola <coppolaemi...@gmail.com>
>>>
>>>> One of the main problems is working using mailing lists. Using a
>>>> platform like github will not only provide us exposure but it will also
>>>> help the user to report bugs, submit changes and see that the program its
>>>> alive. Right now the repository is for most of the population "hidden".
>>>> This being a program targeted to musicians that have no programming
>>>> knowledge makes it even harder to compete with other products as FL studio
>>>> since they have a better user interface and design. Which brings me to the
>>>> second point:
>>>> The design is horrible. It looks like a program made on the 90. The
>>>> name has the word Linux on it and it claims to be multimedia but it's an
>>>> audio program.
>>>> The sourceforge website is very simple but not engaging. It doesn't try
>>>> to engage any person on using the program.
>>>>
>>>> So, with all this said in my broken English (sorry) I want to offer my
>>>> time to help the project. I can provide a better website and take care of
>>>> some part in the coordination of this initiative. I have built some simple
>>>> tools for my own needs but they can also be used for LMMS to move forward
>>>> into a better stage.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for staying active!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2014/1/9 Tobiasz Karoń <unf...@gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>> [ *listen to this e-mail* - download Ogg <http://goo.gl/Bvrnu4> or
>>>>> MP3<http://goo.gl/t0cT56>]
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi everyone!
>>>>>
>>>>> My name is unfa and I'm a music producer, songwriter and vocalist. I
>>>>> make electronic music with LMMS/ZynAddSubFX duo. My last
>>>>> album<http://goo.gl/yTNC4v>sold in 15 copies ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm nearly a daily user of Linux MultiMedia Studio. However still I
>>>>> came to fight a strong feeling that LMMS project is barely alive.
>>>>> The project's website seems to change only on new releases. The news
>>>>> section changes only once a few months and could be renamed to "Recent
>>>>> Releases". The screenshots, demos, and Wiki are old and outdated. The
>>>>> releases seem to appear out-of-nowhere and anonymously without any prior
>>>>> information or buzz. No one knows if and when will they happen. At least
>>>>> that's how it feels to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> However I'm now sure that there are plans, fixes, patches and
>>>>> discussions going on - they are just hard to see, because they all happen
>>>>> in the mailing list (or IRC?)
>>>>>
>>>>> Regardless of what it looks like, this project is huge and to me it is
>>>>> in top 6 creative FLOSS tools ever made (LMMS, Ardour, Audacity, Blender,
>>>>> Inkscape, GIMP).
>>>>> It's THE (as opposed to A) open tool for electronic music creation.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think we all need to realize this - how important LMMS is to all
>>>>> artists around the globe. There's nothing like it out there.
>>>>>
>>>>> However it's sometimes seem hard to believe. Why?
>>>>>
>>>>> To find out- I'll reach out to another project I'm in love with -
>>>>> Blender. The open 3D toolkit. I'we been watching it closely for more than
>>>>> a
>>>>> while. It's as big to have several full-time paid developers working on it
>>>>> and big investors helping it's development. Putting out big cooperative
>>>>> projects every year or two - blasting another shockwave of excitement that
>>>>> echoes with more interest and support.
>>>>>
>>>>> Watching Blender and LMMS made me think of one reason why LMMS seems
>>>>> asleep while it's not.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm thinking of the weak social aspects of LMMS' website. The Facebook
>>>>> page does a good job but it's not sufficient and not too exposed on
>>>>> Sourceforge page. And it doesn't seem to feed enough news anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am thinking of one way to attract and excite more users and
>>>>> developers who will help us build this project.
>>>>>
>>>>> A Blog. A development journal. A place that'll make all work done on
>>>>> LMMS visible to everyone.
>>>>>
>>>>> We need to show that we're here, show that many great artists use
>>>>> this, find them, make music contests, make remix parties, make weekly
>>>>> musical challenges, make an official video channel with tips and features
>>>>> explained, with videoblog updates every two weeks, put together a 3-minute
>>>>> demo video and place it on the front page, make an album of the year
>>>>> contest, make a track of the month contest, make every release
>>>>> pre-announced and announced with excitement and passion letting everyone
>>>>> say "I like it!", make a fundraising campaign, go to Google Summer of
>>>>> Code,
>>>>> go to Kickstarter, start interviewing developers and users, start a LMMS
>>>>> podcast, make LMMS conferences, festivals, radio stations, stop being
>>>>> afraid, stop sitting in the shadow, stop being shy!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, I know this is a bit over-the-top, but hey - possibilities are
>>>>> endless, all of what I said is possible. We just need to follow a good
>>>>> plan, see our goals, and we'll make it.
>>>>>
>>>>> There's so much we can do, so many people who are waiting to hear
>>>>> about us, who will help us - there are so much creative and capable people
>>>>> out here - in this community. *Let's wake up!*
>>>>>
>>>>> - unfa
>>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Tobiasz *unfa*
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>> --
>> Jonathan Aquilina
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Tobiasz *unfa*
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