It is good to hear thoughtful discussion on this matter. I can well appreciate the dilemma Ceki faces. Right now the work he does on log4j is long on glory and short on remuneration. Glory is a very low calorie diet.
On the other hand, I agree that gutting the documentation which is distributed with log4j would detract greatly from its appeal/value/uptake and so forth. In particular, limiting the distributed documentation to just the Javadocs would be a disaster because critical information such as the content of configuration files and the conceptual approach would be lost. I have mixed feelings about the notion of a ordinary book. Books are disprortionately costly -- in the sense that a small proportion of the retail cost goes to the author. Moreover, in our world, they have a very short half life. Let me suggest something which I would find comfortable. * Reasonable ->reference<- documentation is part of log4j * Ceki writes a comprehensive expository document which explains the whys and wherefors of log4j, how best to use it and so forth * Ceki makes his book available online in a PDF (or like format) * Honourable people pay Ceki online via credit card The advantages of this are: * all the money goes to the author * the cost is probably less than for a bound book * it is easier to keep the book up to date True, people can print many copies of the PDF and pass around copies of it. People also photocopy all or portions of bound books. Comments? Burton -----Original Message----- From: Ceki Gülcü [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 2:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [POLL] Commercial documentation Hi All, I am pondering whether it is possible to earn revenue by offering log4j documentation online, a bit like what JBoss is trying to do. Needless to say, the log4j API (the software) will always be licensed under the Apache Software license and would include some basic documentation. However, writing good documentation is very time consuming and I'd like to see if I can get paid to do it. This documentation will be based on the long log4j manual which was until recently part of log4j 1.2 alpha3, alpha4 and alpha5. However, the latest alpha6 does not include it. This document carried a clearly visible copyright notice. It was always copyrighted by me and not the ASF. Do you think this is an honorable approach? Your comments on the subject are welcome. Thank you. -- Ceki Gülcü - http://qos.ch -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This message may contain privileged and/or confidential information. If you have received this e-mail in error or are not the intended recipient, you may not use, copy, disseminate or distribute it; do not open any attachments, delete it immediately from your system and notify the sender promptly by e-mail that you have done so. Thank you. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>