On May 17, 2010, at 9:11 AM, Ralph Goers wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I haven't dug into it, but I think the submission may require IP clearance 
>> through the incubator (http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/index.html). 
>>  The sentence would appear to apply:
>>> 
>>> Any code that was developed outside of the ASF SVN repository and our 
>>> public mailing lists must be processed like this, even if the external 
>>> developer is already an ASF committer.
> 
> And the paragraph above that says "From time to time, an external codebase is 
> brought into the ASF that is not a separate incubating project but still 
> represents a substantial contribution that was not developed within the ASF's 
> source control system and on our public mailing lists."
> 
> All code developed at the ASF is developed off-list and then committed so by 
> the logic of using only the message you quoted almost all code would have to 
> go through the incubator unless the code was sent to the mailing list first. 
> Obviously, that makes no sense. Taking that one sentence by itself would 
> imply that when a new Appender is written and committed to Jira that it would 
> need to go through the incubator as well. 
> 
> I've looked at the template. It is appears to be for code that "lived" 
> outside of the ASF for some time, either as a separate project or was somehow 
> visible to other people before being contributed.  The code in question is 
> not an "external codebase" because it was developed solely for the purpose of 
> being committed to Log4j for experimentation and discussion.  Whether it 
> makes it into something that is ever released is for the community to 
> determine.
> 
> Ralph
> 

My take is that there is a poorly defined threshold of off-list-ness at which 
IP clearance is warranted like there is a threshold at which an ICLA is 
warranted.  An ICLA is always desirable but there is a threshold which the 
implied grant in the ASL lets you sleep at night.  Can bounce it off incubator@ 
to get a clarification of when it comes into play, but I don't think it is 
clear that it does not need one.

Is there a revision history in a personal SVN, Git, etc?  If so, could you dump 
it and attach it to a bug report?




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