On May 17, 2010, at 7:06 PM, Curt Arnold wrote: > > On May 17, 2010, at 9:11 AM, Ralph Goers wrote: >> >>> >>> I haven't dug into it, but I think the submission may require IP clearance >>> through the incubator >>> (http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/index.html). The sentence would >>> appear to apply: >>>> >>>> Any code that was developed outside of the ASF SVN repository and our >>>> public mailing lists must be processed like this, even if the external >>>> developer is already an ASF committer. >> >> And the paragraph above that says "From time to time, an external codebase >> is brought into the ASF that is not a separate incubating project but still >> represents a substantial contribution that was not developed within the >> ASF's source control system and on our public mailing lists." >> >> All code developed at the ASF is developed off-list and then committed so by >> the logic of using only the message you quoted almost all code would have to >> go through the incubator unless the code was sent to the mailing list first. >> Obviously, that makes no sense. Taking that one sentence by itself would >> imply that when a new Appender is written and committed to Jira that it >> would need to go through the incubator as well. >> >> I've looked at the template. It is appears to be for code that "lived" >> outside of the ASF for some time, either as a separate project or was >> somehow visible to other people before being contributed. The code in >> question is not an "external codebase" because it was developed solely for >> the purpose of being committed to Log4j for experimentation and discussion. >> Whether it makes it into something that is ever released is for the >> community to determine. >> >> Ralph >> > > My take is that there is a poorly defined threshold of off-list-ness at which > IP clearance is warranted like there is a threshold at which an ICLA is > warranted. An ICLA is always desirable but there is a threshold which the > implied grant in the ASL lets you sleep at night. Can bounce it off > incubator@ to get a clarification of when it comes into play, but I don't > think it is clear that it does not need one.
Actually, I don't think there is ever an implied grant: a) a committer commits code they wrote - they have an ICLA on file. b) someone posts a patch to Jira. The user checks the box granting a license to the ASF for the work. c) a committer obtains permission from a third party to commit the work (this has been done many times in Maven and is actually how some projects enter the incubator - see http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DeltacloudProposal for example). d) a third party provides a software grant. > > Is there a revision history in a personal SVN, Git, etc? If so, could you > dump it and attach it to a bug report? No. This code was all developed on my Mac. The first commit off that box was here. That is why I don't believe that section applies. There are two java classes in the contribution that either I didn't write or weren't a modification of code already in Log4j SVN. The first, ResolverUtil was already under an Apache license and originated in Stripes but I got it from Struts. The second class is ParameterizedMessage which was written by Joern Huxhorn who developed it for Lillith. He explicitly gave me permission to commit it to Log4j under the Apache license so long as he is mentioned. Ralph --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: log4j-dev-unsubscr...@logging.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: log4j-dev-h...@logging.apache.org
