Oh, I like this idea of a more useful homepage. However, I don't think we can track download statistics all that well as most people download it straight from Maven Central.
On 5 July 2016 at 12:50, Ole Ersoy <ole.er...@gmail.com> wrote: > It may help if the performance chart for multiple threads were moved to > the index page, followed by simple code use and integration steps for other > libraries. The front page could be less verbose and more informative / > executive summary'ish. > > When looking for packages on NPM the first thing I look at is downloads > followed by API use cases. > > Here's a superagent example: > https://www.npmjs.com/package/superagent > > For log4j2 replace the superagent ferret with the performance chart > > Ferret: 50K downloads in the last day (Good) > Log4J2: ? > > Ferret: Simple all encompassing API (Good) > Log4J2: ? > > Ferret: installation (Very easy) > Log4J2: This is the biggest hangup for people > > If it's easy to switch out SLF4J, etc. then that's a big plus. Maybe just > one example (Play framework, Spring Boot), followed by links for other > scenarios. > > Ferret: Plugin support - excellent > Log4J2: ? > > The current index page sort of has this stuff, but with superagent I get > it all with a quick glance. > > Cheers, > Ole > > > On 07/04/2016 03:47 PM, Matt Sicker wrote: > > We have benchmarks pretty prominently displayed: > > https://logging.apache.org/log4j/2.x/performance.html > > Also, SLF4J is comparable to log4j-api; both need a logging library to > actually work such as log4j-core, logback, log4j 1.x, or java.util.logging. > > Personally, I've found async logging to be a killer reason to switch due > to all the performance issues other logging libraries cause. > > On 4 July 2016 at 15:33, Ole Ersoy <ole.er...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I personally like log4j 2 a lot (Because of Java 8 lambda support, >> cleaner architecture, etc.) and switching for me was really easy because I >> use lombok annotations to generate the logger. But what would be the >> "Killer" reason to upgrade if say someone is using SLF4J? For example >> HikariCP has this JMH Benchmarking chart on their front page that makes a >> pretty convincing case: >> https://github.com/brettwooldridge/HikariCP >> >> Happy 4th, >> Ole >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 07/04/2016 02:37 PM, Matt Sicker wrote: >> >> So what sites are best to get syndicated on for this? I get a lot of my >> programming news from various subreddits for instance (r/programming, >> r/java, r/coding) along with Twitter. Otherwise, I learn about new things >> usually from java user groups or online presentations before digging into >> detailed tutorials and books. >> >> On 3 July 2016 at 10:11, Gary Gregory < <garydgreg...@gmail.com> >> garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> On Jul 2, 2016 4:34 PM, "Remko Popma" < <remko.po...@gmail.com> >>> remko.po...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Sent from my iPhone >>> > >>> > On 2016/07/03, at 5:01, Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> >> Personally, I don’t think talks do all that much. Articles are great, >>> but IMO the best route is in trying to get other open source projects to >>> use Log4j. >>> > >>> > +1 >>> >>> +1 >>> >>> Gary >>> >>> > >>> >> Then people who start to use those other projects are forced to learn >>> about Log4j. >>> >> >>> >> Ralph >>> >> >>> >>> On Jul 2, 2016, at 12:15 PM, Matt Sicker < <boa...@gmail.com> >>> boa...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> If we could get a talk in to something big like JavaOne, that might >>> help adoption, though I have no idea what kind of talks they accept from >>> non-Oracle people (if any). >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2 July 2016 at 08:57, Remko Popma < <remko.po...@gmail.com> >>> remko.po...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 11:52 PM, Remko Popma < >>> <remko.po...@gmail.com>remko.po...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> In spite of the fact that Log4j 2 has a very compelling story in >>> terms of feature set and performance, I get the impression that adoption is >>> quite slow. I could be wrong, but how many open source projects use Log4j >>> 2? Or even how many Apache projects? >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> I propose we try to generate some ideas about what we can do to >>> increase our uptake. Some things I've been thinking about: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> * Rewrite the Wikipedia page on Log4j. It's mostly about Log4j 1.2 >>> and mentions Log4j 2 at the bottom in a footnote. That needs to be the >>> other way around in my opinion. The Wikipedia Java logging framework page >>> is even worse. >>> >>>>> * The Apache Logging site has no explicit mention that Log4j 1 is >>> EOL. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I updated the Apache Logging page to mention that Log4j 1 is EOL. >>> >>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> * Only the top page on the Log4j 1 site mentions that the project >>> is EOL, but it does so in two modest sentences that don't visually stick >>> out and are easily ignored. At the very least the download page needs a >>> mention of the EOL and a link to the Log4j 2 project, but it may be good to >>> have a notification on every page. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I added the EOL announcement to the top of all main pages in the >>> Log4j 1 site. >>> >>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> * Can we get other people involved in evangelizing log4j 2? It >>> would be great if we can make more people enthusiastic so they write blog >>> posts or tutorials etc about Log4j 2. >>> >>>>> * How can we incentivise people to convert their project to Log4j >>> 2? Maybe start a page on Projects Using Log4j 2 and mention people who did >>> the conversion by name? Or some other way? >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Thoughts? >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Remko >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Matt Sicker < <boa...@gmail.com>boa...@gmail.com> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> >> >> >> > > > -- > Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> > > > -- Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com>
