I think that a vast majority of our users only uses one of the languages we support, and therefore only are interested in one of the subprojects.
On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 11:23 AM, Dominik Psenner <dpsen...@gmail.com> wrote: > We had once the discussion that we wanted all Apache Logging projects to > become very similar in their usage, starting with the same or a very > similar configuration. Given that we should aim towards one Apache Logging > specification and several Apache Logging specification implementations in > the form of Apache Logging subprojects. That means all the devs for all > subprojects have to talk more. To me this is a good reasons to merge the > dev mailing lists. Further I don't see why the same use case should not > apply to the user mailing lists, too. Those mailing lists see very low > traffic but all of them need a larger audience. Just quoting the last few > messages of two user mailing lists I follow: > > log4j-user: the last topic came in a week ago, the topic before that about > two weeks ago > log4net-user: the last topic came in 24 hours ago and the topic before > that a month ago > > Cheers > On 2017-03-09 19:24, Ralph Goers wrote: > > We use general as mainly an announcement list for topics that might be of > general interest to all logging projects. Generally, these are just release > announcements. > > Ralph > > On Mar 9, 2017, at 10:37 AM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Yeah, I agree that the user lists can remain separate as it doesn't cause > any issues currently. The main idea here is whether we should merge the dev > lists into one, or if we need a common dev list for all devs to subscribe > to (general@ doesn't sound appropriate, but I don't know what that list > is for). > > On 9 March 2017 at 10:26, Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> wrote: > >> You should note that while we consider all votes only PMC votes are >> “binding”. I don’t think that changes much however. >> >> From a PMC perspective I have to say that keeping the user’s lists >> separate isn’t likely to be an issue as most of the things that would need >> to be discussed would be on a dev list anyway. >> >> Ralph >> >> On Mar 9, 2017, at 2:45 AM, Dominik Psenner <dpsen...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> The votes are way too scattered over the different mailing lists so that >> I didn't even find my own vote. ;-) Therefore I'm trying to summarize the >> current state of the vote: >> >> log4j-dev@, log4php-dev@, log4net-dev@, log4cxx-dev@ -> >> d...@logging.apache.org >> >> Matt Sicker: +1 >> Ralph Goers: +1 >> Stefan Bodewig: +1 >> Sven Rautenverg: -1 >> Thorsten Schöning: -0 >> Ivan Habunek: -0 >> Dominik Psenner: +1 >> Remko Popma: +1 >> Mikael Ståldal: +0 >> >> Totals so far: >> +1: 5 >> +0: 1 >> -0: 2 >> -1: 1 >> >> log4j-user@, log4php-user@, log4net-user@, log4cxx-user@, general@ -> >> u...@logging.apache.org >> >> Matt Sicker: -1 >> Ralph Goers: +1 >> Stefan Bodewig: -1 >> Sven Rautenverg: -1 >> Thorsten Schöning: -0 >> Ivan Habunek: -0 >> Dominik Psenner: +1 >> Remko Popma: +1 >> Mikael Ståldal: -1 >> >> Totals so far: >> +1: 3 >> +0: 0 >> -0: 2 >> -1: 4 >> >> Sorry to anyone who's vote is missing. >> >> On 2017-03-08 05:20, Matt Sicker wrote: >> >> I may be missing some mailing lists considering I just subscribed to half >> of them less than five minutes ago. >> >> This is a vote to merge the various Apache Logging Services mailing >> lists. The proposal is to combine them as follows: >> >> log4j-dev@, log4php-dev@, log4net-dev@, log4cxx-dev@ -> >> d...@logging.apache.org >> log4j-user@, log4php-user@, log4net-user@, log4cxx-user@, general@ -> >> u...@logging.apache.org >> >> commits@ and private@ remain the same as before. >> >> The proposal would also suggest that the old emails become aliases for >> the combined email names so as not to lose any future emails. To >> distinguish between projects, a subject tag can be added such as: >> >> [java] >> [net] >> [cxx] >> [php] >> >> Though I wouldn't think such a tag is required, though it should help in >> gaining the attention of the appropriate audience. >> >> Voting: >> >> +1: Yes, combine the mailing lists! >> +0: Go ahead, don't care that much. >> -0: Don't like it, but not vetoing it. >> -1: No, don't do that! I have a better idea! >> >> This vote follows the same "lazy consensus" (at least 3 +1 binding, no >> -1/vetoes) we use for general releases and whatnot. The vote will be open >> for at least 72 hours. >> >> -- >> Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> > > > > -- [image: MagineTV] *Mikael Ståldal* Senior software developer *Magine TV* mikael.stal...@magine.com Grev Turegatan 3 | 114 46 Stockholm, Sweden | www.magine.com Privileged and/or Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to such a person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email.
