1. That seems fine to me. 2. Is it possible to do both? I like the idea of annoying the sender but still allowing the email to be sent. It would cool if it could even add [list] to the start of the subject line. 3. This is the main thing that needs to happen.
Ralph > On Mar 12, 2017, at 7:49 PM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Some things: > > 1. Archives won't be merged. > 2. Infra suggests it might be a better idea to have the old email addresses > respond with a canned reply saying that the lists have moved over to dev@, > though they can set it up all as aliases if we prefer. > 3. Current subscribers from all dev lists would be automatically subscribed > to the combined list. > > So, use aliases or have the old addresses bounce back and inform senders to > use the new list? > > On 12 March 2017 at 18:31, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com > <mailto:boa...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Created a request, not sure if it's public: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/servicedesk/customer/portal/1/INFRA-13651 > <https://issues.apache.org/jira/servicedesk/customer/portal/1/INFRA-13651> > > On 12 March 2017 at 17:11, Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com > <mailto:ralph.go...@dslextreme.com>> wrote: > Yes, > > If you could send the request to infra I would appreciate it. > > Ralph > >> On Mar 12, 2017, at 1:13 PM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com >> <mailto:boa...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> The vote has been open for 5 days now. Based on the tallies and discussions, >> it sounds like we'd like to merge the dev lists but keep the user lists as >> is. Shall we move forward with combining them now? >> >> On 10 March 2017 at 12:27, Dominik Psenner <dpsen...@gmail.com >> <mailto:dpsen...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> Total agreement. >> >> On 10 Mar 2017 6:26 p.m., "Ralph Goers" <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com >> <mailto:ralph.go...@dslextreme.com>> wrote: >> This is exactly why we need one dev list. These last two responses dropped >> the other lists. This is a horrible way to have discussions that affect all >> the sub projects. >> >> Ralph >> >> >>> On Mar 10, 2017, at 9:11 AM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:boa...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> I'd love to see more unified configurations in all the subprojects. Gary >>> mentioned that as an idea for log4cxx as that would make it useful for his >>> use case where they're using both Java and C++ in various projects. >>> >>> While the programming languages in use here (Java, .NET, PHP, and C++) >>> aren't really compatible with each other, having similar architectures and >>> plugin systems could help a bit in this regard. Having more inclusive >>> conversations about this would be great. >>> >>> On 10 March 2017 at 04:29, Mikael Ståldal <mikael.stal...@magine.com >>> <mailto:mikael.stal...@magine.com>> wrote: >>> I think that a vast majority of our users only uses one of the languages we >>> support, and therefore only are interested in one of the subprojects. >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 11:23 AM, Dominik Psenner <dpsen...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:dpsen...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> We had once the discussion that we wanted all Apache Logging projects to >>> become very similar in their usage, starting with the same or a very >>> similar configuration. Given that we should aim towards one Apache Logging >>> specification and several Apache Logging specification implementations in >>> the form of Apache Logging subprojects. That means all the devs for all >>> subprojects have to talk more. To me this is a good reasons to merge the >>> dev mailing lists. Further I don't see why the same use case should not >>> apply to the user mailing lists, too. Those mailing lists see very low >>> traffic but all of them need a larger audience. Just quoting the last few >>> messages of two user mailing lists I follow: >>> >>> log4j-user: the last topic came in a week ago, the topic before that about >>> two weeks ago >>> log4net-user: the last topic came in 24 hours ago and the topic before that >>> a month ago >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> On 2017-03-09 19:24, Ralph Goers wrote: >>>> We use general as mainly an announcement list for topics that might be of >>>> general interest to all logging projects. Generally, these are just >>>> release announcements. >>>> >>>> Ralph >>>> >>>>> On Mar 9, 2017, at 10:37 AM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com >>>>> <mailto:boa...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Yeah, I agree that the user lists can remain separate as it doesn't cause >>>>> any issues currently. The main idea here is whether we should merge the >>>>> dev lists into one, or if we need a common dev list for all devs to >>>>> subscribe to (general@ doesn't sound appropriate, but I don't know what >>>>> that list is for). >>>>> >>>>> On 9 March 2017 at 10:26, Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com >>>>> <mailto:ralph.go...@dslextreme.com>> wrote: >>>>> You should note that while we consider all votes only PMC votes are >>>>> “binding”. I don’t think that changes much however. >>>>> >>>>> From a PMC perspective I have to say that keeping the user’s lists >>>>> separate isn’t likely to be an issue as most of the things that would >>>>> need to be discussed would be on a dev list anyway. >>>>> >>>>> Ralph >>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 9, 2017, at 2:45 AM, Dominik Psenner <dpsen...@gmail.com >>>>>> <mailto:dpsen...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> The votes are way too scattered over the different mailing lists so that >>>>>> I didn't even find my own vote. ;-) Therefore I'm trying to summarize >>>>>> the current state of the vote: >>>>>> >>>>>> log4j-dev@, log4php-dev@, log4net-dev@, log4cxx-dev@ -> >>>>>> d...@logging.apache.org <mailto:d...@logging.apache.org> >>>>>> Matt Sicker: +1 >>>>>> Ralph Goers: +1 >>>>>> Stefan Bodewig: +1 >>>>>> Sven Rautenverg: -1 >>>>>> Thorsten Schöning: -0 >>>>>> Ivan Habunek: -0 >>>>>> Dominik Psenner: +1 >>>>>> Remko Popma: +1 >>>>>> Mikael Ståldal: +0 >>>>>> >>>>>> Totals so far: >>>>>> +1: 5 >>>>>> +0: 1 >>>>>> -0: 2 >>>>>> -1: 1 >>>>>> >>>>>> log4j-user@, log4php-user@, log4net-user@, log4cxx-user@, general@ -> >>>>>> u...@logging.apache.org <mailto:u...@logging.apache.org> >>>>>> >>>>>> Matt Sicker: -1 >>>>>> Ralph Goers: +1 >>>>>> Stefan Bodewig: -1 >>>>>> Sven Rautenverg: -1 >>>>>> Thorsten Schöning: -0 >>>>>> Ivan Habunek: -0 >>>>>> Dominik Psenner: +1 >>>>>> Remko Popma: +1 >>>>>> Mikael Ståldal: -1 >>>>>> >>>>>> Totals so far: >>>>>> +1: 3 >>>>>> +0: 0 >>>>>> -0: 2 >>>>>> -1: 4 >>>>>> Sorry to anyone who's vote is missing. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2017-03-08 05:20, Matt Sicker wrote: >>>>>>> I may be missing some mailing lists considering I just subscribed to >>>>>>> half of them less than five minutes ago. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is a vote to merge the various Apache Logging Services mailing >>>>>>> lists. The proposal is to combine them as follows: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> log4j-dev@, log4php-dev@, log4net-dev@, log4cxx-dev@ -> >>>>>>> d...@logging.apache.org <mailto:d...@logging.apache.org> >>>>>>> log4j-user@, log4php-user@, log4net-user@, log4cxx-user@, general@ -> >>>>>>> u...@logging.apache.org <mailto:u...@logging.apache.org> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> commits@ and private@ remain the same as before. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The proposal would also suggest that the old emails become aliases for >>>>>>> the combined email names so as not to lose any future emails. To >>>>>>> distinguish between projects, a subject tag can be added such as: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [java] >>>>>>> [net] >>>>>>> [cxx] >>>>>>> [php] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Though I wouldn't think such a tag is required, though it should help >>>>>>> in gaining the attention of the appropriate audience. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Voting: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> +1: Yes, combine the mailing lists! >>>>>>> +0: Go ahead, don't care that much. >>>>>>> -0: Don't like it, but not vetoing it. >>>>>>> -1: No, don't do that! I have a better idea! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This vote follows the same "lazy consensus" (at least 3 +1 binding, no >>>>>>> -1/vetoes) we use for general releases and whatnot. The vote will be >>>>>>> open for at least 72 hours. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com <mailto:boa...@gmail.com>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com <mailto:boa...@gmail.com>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> Mikael Ståldal >>> Senior software developer >>> >>> Magine TV >>> mikael.stal...@magine.com <mailto:mikael.stal...@magine.com> >>> Grev Turegatan 3 | 114 46 Stockholm, Sweden | www.magine.com >>> <http://www.magine.com/> >>> >>> Privileged and/or Confidential Information may be contained in this >>> message. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message >>> (or responsible for delivery of the message to such a person), you may not >>> copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, >>> you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply >>> email. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com <mailto:boa...@gmail.com>> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com <mailto:boa...@gmail.com>> > > > > > -- > Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com <mailto:boa...@gmail.com>> > > > > -- > Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com <mailto:boa...@gmail.com>>
