Oh, I didn't realise I had a response on how to handle that. Let me follow up with infra.
On 16 March 2017 at 21:46, Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> wrote: > Is there any follow-up to this? > > Ralph > > On Mar 12, 2017, at 9:30 PM, Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> > wrote: > > 1. That seems fine to me. > 2. Is it possible to do both? I like the idea of annoying the sender but > still allowing the email to be sent. It would cool if it could even add > [list] to the start of the subject line. > 3. This is the main thing that needs to happen. > > Ralph > > > > On Mar 12, 2017, at 7:49 PM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Some things: > > 1. Archives won't be merged. > 2. Infra suggests it might be a better idea to have the old email > addresses respond with a canned reply saying that the lists have moved over > to dev@, though they can set it up all as aliases if we prefer. > 3. Current subscribers from all dev lists would be automatically > subscribed to the combined list. > > So, use aliases or have the old addresses bounce back and inform senders > to use the new list? > > On 12 March 2017 at 18:31, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Created a request, not sure if it's public: https://issues.apache. >> org/jira/servicedesk/customer/portal/1/INFRA-13651 >> >> On 12 March 2017 at 17:11, Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Yes, >>> >>> If you could send the request to infra I would appreciate it. >>> >>> Ralph >>> >>> On Mar 12, 2017, at 1:13 PM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> The vote has been open for 5 days now. Based on the tallies and >>> discussions, it sounds like we'd like to merge the dev lists but keep the >>> user lists as is. Shall we move forward with combining them now? >>> >>> On 10 March 2017 at 12:27, Dominik Psenner <dpsen...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Total agreement. >>>> >>>> On 10 Mar 2017 6:26 p.m., "Ralph Goers" <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> This is exactly why we need one dev list. These last two responses >>>>> dropped the other lists. This is a horrible way to have discussions that >>>>> affect all the sub projects. >>>>> >>>>> Ralph >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 10, 2017, at 9:11 AM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I'd love to see more unified configurations in all the subprojects. >>>>> Gary mentioned that as an idea for log4cxx as that would make it useful >>>>> for >>>>> his use case where they're using both Java and C++ in various projects. >>>>> >>>>> While the programming languages in use here (Java, .NET, PHP, and C++) >>>>> aren't really compatible with each other, having similar architectures and >>>>> plugin systems could help a bit in this regard. Having more inclusive >>>>> conversations about this would be great. >>>>> >>>>> On 10 March 2017 at 04:29, Mikael Ståldal <mikael.stal...@magine.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I think that a vast majority of our users only uses one of the >>>>>> languages we support, and therefore only are interested in one of the >>>>>> subprojects. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 11:23 AM, Dominik Psenner <dpsen...@gmail.com >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> We had once the discussion that we wanted all Apache Logging >>>>>>> projects to become very similar in their usage, starting with the same >>>>>>> or a >>>>>>> very similar configuration. Given that we should aim towards one Apache >>>>>>> Logging specification and several Apache Logging specification >>>>>>> implementations in the form of Apache Logging subprojects. That means >>>>>>> all >>>>>>> the devs for all subprojects have to talk more. To me this is a good >>>>>>> reasons to merge the dev mailing lists. Further I don't see why the same >>>>>>> use case should not apply to the user mailing lists, too. Those mailing >>>>>>> lists see very low traffic but all of them need a larger audience. Just >>>>>>> quoting the last few messages of two user mailing lists I follow: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> log4j-user: the last topic came in a week ago, the topic before that >>>>>>> about two weeks ago >>>>>>> log4net-user: the last topic came in 24 hours ago and the topic >>>>>>> before that a month ago >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>> On 2017-03-09 19:24, Ralph Goers wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We use general as mainly an announcement list for topics that might >>>>>>> be of general interest to all logging projects. Generally, these are >>>>>>> just >>>>>>> release announcements. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ralph >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mar 9, 2017, at 10:37 AM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yeah, I agree that the user lists can remain separate as it doesn't >>>>>>> cause any issues currently. The main idea here is whether we should >>>>>>> merge >>>>>>> the dev lists into one, or if we need a common dev list for all devs to >>>>>>> subscribe to (general@ doesn't sound appropriate, but I don't know >>>>>>> what that list is for). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 9 March 2017 at 10:26, Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You should note that while we consider all votes only PMC votes are >>>>>>>> “binding”. I don’t think that changes much however. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From a PMC perspective I have to say that keeping the user’s lists >>>>>>>> separate isn’t likely to be an issue as most of the things that would >>>>>>>> need >>>>>>>> to be discussed would be on a dev list anyway. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ralph >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mar 9, 2017, at 2:45 AM, Dominik Psenner <dpsen...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The votes are way too scattered over the different mailing lists so >>>>>>>> that I didn't even find my own vote. ;-) Therefore I'm trying to >>>>>>>> summarize >>>>>>>> the current state of the vote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> log4j-dev@, log4php-dev@, log4net-dev@, log4cxx-dev@ -> >>>>>>>> d...@logging.apache.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Matt Sicker: +1 >>>>>>>> Ralph Goers: +1 >>>>>>>> Stefan Bodewig: +1 >>>>>>>> Sven Rautenverg: -1 >>>>>>>> Thorsten Schöning: -0 >>>>>>>> Ivan Habunek: -0 >>>>>>>> Dominik Psenner: +1 >>>>>>>> Remko Popma: +1 >>>>>>>> Mikael Ståldal: +0 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Totals so far: >>>>>>>> +1: 5 >>>>>>>> +0: 1 >>>>>>>> -0: 2 >>>>>>>> -1: 1 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> log4j-user@, log4php-user@, log4net-user@, log4cxx-user@, general@ -> >>>>>>>> u...@logging.apache.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Matt Sicker: -1 >>>>>>>> Ralph Goers: +1 >>>>>>>> Stefan Bodewig: -1 >>>>>>>> Sven Rautenverg: -1 >>>>>>>> Thorsten Schöning: -0 >>>>>>>> Ivan Habunek: -0 >>>>>>>> Dominik Psenner: +1 >>>>>>>> Remko Popma: +1 >>>>>>>> Mikael Ståldal: -1 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Totals so far: >>>>>>>> +1: 3 >>>>>>>> +0: 0 >>>>>>>> -0: 2 >>>>>>>> -1: 4 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sorry to anyone who's vote is missing. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2017-03-08 05:20, Matt Sicker wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I may be missing some mailing lists considering I just subscribed >>>>>>>> to half of them less than five minutes ago. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is a vote to merge the various Apache Logging Services mailing >>>>>>>> lists. The proposal is to combine them as follows: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> log4j-dev@, log4php-dev@, log4net-dev@, log4cxx-dev@ -> >>>>>>>> d...@logging.apache.org >>>>>>>> log4j-user@, log4php-user@, log4net-user@, log4cxx-user@, general@ >>>>>>>> -> u...@logging.apache.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> commits@ and private@ remain the same as before. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The proposal would also suggest that the old emails become aliases >>>>>>>> for the combined email names so as not to lose any future emails. To >>>>>>>> distinguish between projects, a subject tag can be added such as: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [java] >>>>>>>> [net] >>>>>>>> [cxx] >>>>>>>> [php] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Though I wouldn't think such a tag is required, though it should >>>>>>>> help in gaining the attention of the appropriate audience. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Voting: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> +1: Yes, combine the mailing lists! >>>>>>>> +0: Go ahead, don't care that much. >>>>>>>> -0: Don't like it, but not vetoing it. >>>>>>>> -1: No, don't do that! I have a better idea! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This vote follows the same "lazy consensus" (at least 3 +1 binding, >>>>>>>> no -1/vetoes) we use for general releases and whatnot. The vote will be >>>>>>>> open for at least 72 hours. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> [image: MagineTV] >>>>>> >>>>>> *Mikael Ståldal* >>>>>> Senior software developer >>>>>> >>>>>> *Magine TV* >>>>>> mikael.stal...@magine.com >>>>>> Grev Turegatan 3 | 114 46 Stockholm, Sweden | www.magine.com >>>>>> <http://www.magine.com/> >>>>>> >>>>>> Privileged and/or Confidential Information may be contained in this >>>>>> message. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message >>>>>> (or responsible for delivery of the message to such a person), you >>>>>> may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such case, >>>>>> you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply >>>>>> email. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> >> > > > > -- > Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> > > > > -- Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com>
